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What is your evidence for god?
faith cc-:rolleyes: The believers have had a few thousand years, I don't think us heathens are going to see any proof coming out of a random footy forum any time soon.

1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing:
faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof:
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
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belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.:
to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief:
the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
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the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement,etc.:
Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
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the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath,allegiance, etc.:
He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
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in faith, in truth; indeed:
In faith, he is a fine lad.
 

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When John Lennon declared that “they” were “bigger than jesus”,he was correct in more ways than one.
The youth movement from the mid to late 50’s and into the 60’s changed the world.
It really was a movement to the great unshakling of the mind forged manacles of the totalitarian/autocratic past,be it religion,bloodline or politic.
Youth culture has been the most significant cultural shift of realignment in history that our humanity has ever faced,bar the enlightenment!
The universe has recently been remapped and is far more older,diverse and complex than we’d even previously surmised.
If something can,which is close to empirically proven through modern math,come from nothing,does that indeed alter the way some would have to believe in god?
Is god nothing,rather than something?
There are vast amounts of nothing in the universe that contain vast amounts of something.
Why is the nothing so full,when something must have been be responsible for it?
If the fullness of nothing requires something,why create nothing which is so full?
Why does something create nothing, which is full of something,need to exist beyond the mere existence of nothing?
If nothing can create something from nothing,why is there an argument for something creating something ,which is full nothing to create something which is full of nothing?
The holy books are something,full of nothing,humanity has risen to the challenge and will continue to push theism back into a corner where it shall or should remain,until required to answer our questions against the crimes it has perpetuated against humanity and our collective reasoning!
That is why “your” something currently exists,because it has yet to pay recompense,or yet to answer for the crimes “we” wish it answer for!

Your nothing has a lot to answer for!
Ours has by definition,has NOTHING!
No movements are truly grass roots. Doesnt happen. Its easy to manipulate the youth with emotive subjects because they do not stop and think. Targetting and using the youth is elementary stuff, very simple and easy to do. Use entertainment (in the 50's and 60's it was music) targetted at the kids, make it "revolutionary" and "pushing the envelope". Provide the specific personalities you want the kids to mimic. Easy done. Culture is given to us, we do very little to create it outside approved pathways. Today is no different.

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When John Lennon declared that “they” were “bigger than jesus”,he was correct in more ways than one.
The youth movement from the mid to late 50’s and into the 60’s changed the world.
It really was a movement to the great unshakling of the mind forged manacles of the totalitarian/autocratic past,be it religion,bloodline or politic.
Youth culture has been the most significant cultural shift of realignment in history that our humanity has ever faced,bar the enlightenment!
The universe has recently been remapped and is far more older,diverse and complex than we’d even previously surmised.
If something can,which is close to empirically proven through modern math,come from nothing,does that indeed alter the way some would have to believe in god?
Is god nothing,rather than something?
There are vast amounts of nothing in the universe that contain vast amounts of something.
Why is the nothing so full,when something must have been be responsible for it?
If the fullness of nothing requires something,why create nothing which is so full?
Why does something create nothing, which is full of something,need to exist beyond the mere existence of nothing?
If nothing can create something from nothing,why is there an argument for something creating something ,which is full nothing to create something which is full of nothing?
The holy books are something,full of nothing,humanity has risen to the challenge and will continue to push theism back into a corner where it shall or should remain,until required to answer our questions against the crimes it has perpetuated against humanity and our collective reasoning!
That is why “your” something currently exists,because it has yet to pay recompense,or yet to answer for the crimes “we” wish it answer for!

Your nothing has a lot to answer for!
Ours has by definition,has NOTHING!
Whats interesting is that atheistic secular humanism, being morally ungoverned save by a few psychopaths believing themselves to be the equal of god or a god, have unleashed more horror and misery on the world in the 20th century than in all before it. Religion at least gave people common and firm morals as opposed to dog-eat-dog material atheism where might makes right. Religion can certainly be bad when misused however secular humanism, atheism, are far more dangerous and have certainly shown themselves to be in the Russian and Chinese experiments.

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Whats interesting is that atheistic secular humanism, being morally ungoverned save by a few psychopaths believing themselves to be the equal of god or a god, have unleashed more horror and misery on the world in the 20th century than in all before it. Religion at least gave people common and firm morals as opposed to dog-eat-dog material atheism where might makes right. Religion can certainly be bad when misused however secular humanism, atheism, are far more dangerous and have certainly shown themselves to be in the Russian and Chinese experiments.

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That's funny, cause I'm fairly certain that it's the so-called Christian U.S & it's Western allies, who are currently bombing the shitter out of the Middle East & North Africa in the pursuit of worldly materialist goods & possessions.....Mass-murder & avarice in the pursuit of power & $$$ by any other name.

Also, it's the Christian U.S that is the only country to have dropped nukes on another country & innocent civilians.....Hmmm.....Something to ponder there.

When you treat the earth & the planet as something there that's merely to plunder, instead of respect, then all the sky-God-Fairies in the world aren't going to save us.

Monotheistic transcendent Gods haven't been terribly good for humanity nor the planet.
 

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That's funny, cause I'm fairly certain that it's the so-called Christian U.S & it's Western allies, who are currently bombing the shitter out of the Middle East & North Africa in the pursuit of worldly materialist goods & possessions.....Mass-murder & avarice in the pursuit of power & $$$ by any other name.

Also, it's the Christian U.S that is the only country to have dropped nukes on another country & innocent civilians.....Hmmm.....Something to ponder there.

When you treat the earth & the planet as something there that's merely to plunder, instead of respect, then all the sky-God-Fairies in the world aren't going to save us.

Monotheistic transcendent Gods haven't been terribly good for humanity nor the planet.
That is the best post I have ever read from you P35.:thumbsu:
 

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Whats interesting is that atheistic secular humanism, being morally ungoverned save by a few psychopaths believing themselves to be the equal of god or a god, have unleashed more horror and misery on the world in the 20th century than in all before it. Religion at least gave people common and firm morals as opposed to dog-eat-dog material atheism where might makes right. Religion can certainly be bad when misused however secular humanism, atheism, are far more dangerous and have certainly shown themselves to be in the Russian and Chinese experiments.

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Atheism is not a lifestyle or a grand array of rules and procedures, Penn Jillette put it most succinctly-

"Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby."
 

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That's funny, cause I'm fairly certain that it's the so-called Christian U.S & it's Western allies, who are currently bombing the shitter out of the Middle East & North Africa in the pursuit of worldly materialist goods & possessions.....Mass-murder & avarice in the pursuit of power & $$$ by any other name.

Also, it's the Christian U.S that is the only country to have dropped nukes on another country & innocent civilians.....Hmmm.....Something to ponder there.

When you treat the earth & the planet as something there that's merely to plunder, instead of respect, then all the sky-God-Fairies in the world aren't going to save us.

Monotheistic transcendent Gods haven't been terribly good for humanity nor the planet.
7% of all known wars were caused directly by religion. About 5% of that by Islam. Greed is greed. Whats happened in the middle east was driven by power and resources. Really the vast majority can be put down to that. Religion is often just a smokescreen used by the people instigating wars to drum up support.

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Atheism is not a lifestyle or a grand array of rules and procedures, Penn Jillette put it most succinctly-

"Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby."
Thats just lazy anti-intellectual rubbish. Atheism can be just as structured and dogmatic as any religion. Just look at the atheists in here barking at everyone that their view is the only correct one and characterising anyone whom believes in a God as some psychopathic warmongering pedophile. The 20th century was the bloodiest of all precisely because social engineers worked to kick out the moral backstops that belief in God and religious practices had instilled.

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Thats just lazy anti-intellectual rubbish. Atheism can be just as structured and dogmatic as any religion. Just look at the atheists in here barking at everyone that their view is the only correct one and characterising anyone whom believes in a God as some psychopathic warmongering pedophile. The 20th century was the bloodiest of all precisely because social engineers worked to kick out the moral backstops that belief in God and religious practices had instilled.

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I'm an atheist when it comes to institutionalized religious belief and 99% of the people I associate with wouldn't even know it. The whole purpose of this thread is to discuss "the god question" so I feel you have a jaundiced view of what atheism is. I have never been accosted by an atheist while out in public or have them come uninvited to my front door trying to shove a propaganda pamphlet into my hand or convert me. Believers? yes.

You in no way need to refer to a fairy tale creature and it's set of rules to get your moral backstops, all you need is a set of ideals that come naturally to most ie. empathy, compassion, tolerance. IMO if you need to invoke a make believe deity's set of commandments to know right from wrong you have a problem. I do not need some external authority figure to tell me "though shall not kill" etc.
 

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I'm an atheist when it comes to institutionalized religious belief and 99% of the people I associate with wouldn't even know it. The whole purpose of this thread is to discuss "the god question" so I feel you have a jaundiced view of what atheism is. I have never been accosted by an atheist while out in public or have them come uninvited to my front door trying to shove a propaganda pamphlet into my hand or convert me. Believers? yes.

You in no way need to refer to a fairy tale creature and it's set of rules to get your moral backstops, all you need is a set of ideals that come naturally to most ie. empathy, compassion, tolerance. IMO if you need to invoke a make believe deity's set of commandments to know right from wrong you have a problem. I do not need some external authority figure to tell me "though shall not kill" etc.
Today atheism is more just people picking and choosing whatever aspects of it they find appealing and disregarding the rest. Carried through to its logical ends atheism is a destitute and irrational philosophy that is impossible to live by and hopelessly depressing to contemplate.

Whats wrong with people giving out pamphlets? You politely decline and they move on, its not as if they kick in your door and demand your conversion. I always find it quite disengenuous of atheists to sit there and cry victim over someone simply speaking to them for 5 seconds when there is a veritable army of insufferable wankers on every public forum demanding that theists convert to atheism. Not that I particularly care anymore though.

You say fairy tale creature, whatever, its dismissive hand waving. Change that thought into an objective standard of all that is good, something unchangable. Use God as axiomatic principle and reason from there and its easy to see why people say belief in God is entirely more rational than atheism. One of the main purposes of religion was to provide a common moral code, to stop people from bashing their neighbours skull in with a rock. Its easy to say you dont need it but then you have nothing objective to base any moral judgements on. Everything becomes simply a matter of opinion.

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Today atheism is more just people picking and choosing whatever aspects of it they find appealing and disregarding the rest. Carried through to its logical ends atheism is a destitute and irrational philosophy that is impossible to live by and hopelessly depressing to contemplate.

Whats wrong with people giving out pamphlets? You politely decline and they move on, its not as if they kick in your door and demand your conversion. I always find it quite disengenuous of atheists to sit there and cry victim over someone simply speaking to them for 5 seconds when there is a veritable army of insufferable wankers on every public forum demanding that theists convert to atheism. Not that I particularly care anymore though.

You say fairy tale creature, whatever, its dismissive hand waving. Change that thought into an objective standard of all that is good, something unchangable. Use God as axiomatic principle and reason from there and its easy to see why people say belief in God is entirely more rational than atheism. One of the main purposes of religion was to provide a common moral code, to stop people from bashing their neighbours skull in with a rock. Its easy to say you dont need it but then you have nothing objective to base any moral judgements on. Everything becomes simply a matter of opinion.

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We are poles apart in what we understand atheism to be, atheism is not something you "live by" it is just the lack of belief/faith in an unproven assertion.

Atheism plays just about as much a role in my life as my atheistic views re the view some have that the earth is flat. The only place I ever discuss it is on this forum, I do enjoy the discussion though.

Very broadly speaking I would say I have a "spiritual" bent in that I am open to the proposition that we have a yet unknown connection to the natural world, after all we are a part of it and if in 10/100/1000 years it is proven to be so by science all is good. On the other hand religion has had thousands of years to provide proof of gods existence and nothing of substance has been put forward IMO.
 
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7% of all known wars were caused directly by religion. About 5% of that by Islam. Greed is greed. Whats happened in the middle east was driven by power and resources. Really the vast majority can be put down to that. Religion is often just a smokescreen used by the people instigating wars to drum up support.

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Actually a religious & philosophical attitude towards life & the planet has everything to do with it.....Christians & Jews alike have always had issue with Islam....And Islam is fundamentally against the materialist usury bent that is now the driving force behind the Capitalist rape & plunder of their Holy lands.....and all in the name of ill-gotten booty, that's fundamentally at odds with our so-called Western Democratic freedoms & human rights.

In fact, it is the repudiation of those fundamental human rights that sits at the fulcrum of the Zio-con mind-set of a might makes right mentality....In effect, turning back 2 centuries of Human progress & spitting in the face of the inauguration of the Enlightenment project itself......Far from bringing enlightenment to the countries we are raping & pillaging - Not to mention Christian charity, benevolence & good grace - we are bringing, death, division, hatred & destruction.....And all in the name of power prefaced upon fundamental greed in the desire for more materialist resources by which to make a squillion $$$.

The Christian motto of the world is there to be exploited as provided for by God, is the denial of the self-evident premise, that it is the earth in which we are fundamentally dependent upon for our being & our survival.....More than that in fact, that it is from the earth that we derive our true natures of humanity & humility.....Transcendent deities always lend themselves to hubris & a split in the psychic consciousness.

Such contradictions can only be had, when you have a religion founded upon an erroneous notion of the Deity....One that accords the essence of human nature & spirituality itself as fundamentally transcendent, divorced from this earth & our own bodies & feelings.....When you divide the divine in 2, then mankind can only follow in that self-same splitting from ourselves.....both individually & collectively.

The denial of this fully self-conscious hypocrisy can be seen today, with the full-court Western corporate owned & run hegemonic MSM press, fully characterized by a propaganda/censorship modality in so far as Geo-politics is concerned.....And all of this is fundamentally prefaced upon Biblical prescriptions.

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We are poles apart in what we understand atheism to be, atheism is not something you "live by" it is just the lack of belief/faith in an unproven assertion.

Atheism plays just about as much a role in my life as my atheistic views re the view some have that the earth is flat. The only place I ever discuss it is on this forum, I do enjoy the discussion though.

Very broadly speaking I would say I have a "spiritual" bent in that I am open to the proposition that we have a yet unknown connection to the natural world, after all we are a part of it and if in 10/100/1000 years it is proven to be so by science all is good. On the other hand religion has had thousands of years to provide proof of gods existence and nothing of substance has been put forward IMO.
When you reject one thing naturally that forms a vacuum and you must adopt another set of beliefs. Saying its just a lack of something is trying to have your cake and eat it too. Atheism is the assertion that there is no God. If you all simply lacked the belief then there would be no desire to go around telling people they are wrong. Atheism to me is the reduction of man and nature to purely mechanical functions. It denies the spirit and soul, it denies that the intangible qualities that theists discuss as reality are even real at all. It takes man and says that he is nothing more than the firing of neurons and chemical reactions in the brain. This is the logical end of atheism that very few atheists acknowledge or believe because as I said already its hopelessly depressing and just plain nonsensical.

At the end of the day neither side has or ever could show definitive proof that theirs is correct. Personally my only belief is that there must be some sort of deity. Thats it. Beyond that I hold no religious beliefs because religion = control and thats not for me really. I am influenced though by Christian thought.

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Beyond that I hold no religious beliefs because religion = control and thats not for me really. I am influenced though by Christian thought.

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Like your last 2 sentences although I would change the last 2 words from "christian thought" to "my empathetic, compassionate, tolerant nature".
 

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Actually a religious & philosophical attitude towards life & the planet has everything to do with it.....Christians & Jews alike have always had issue with Islam....And Islam is fundamentally against the materialist usury bent that is now the driving force behind the Capitalist rape & plunder of their Holy lands.....and all in the name of ill-gotten booty, that's fundamentally at odds with our so-called Western Democratic freedoms & human rights.

In fact, it is the repudiation of those fundamental human rights that sits at the fulcrum of the Zio-con mind-set of a might makes right mentality....In effect, turning back 2 centuries of Human progress & spitting in the face of the inauguration of the Enlightenment project itself......Far from bringing enlightenment to the countries we are raping & pillaging - Not to mention Christian charity, benevolence & good grace - we are bringing, death, division, hatred & destruction.....And all in the name of power prefaced upon fundamental greed in the desire for more materialist resources by which to make a squillion $$$.

The Christian motto of the world is there to be exploited as provided for by God, is the denial of the self-evident premise, that it is the earth in which we are fundamentally dependent upon for our being & our survival.....More than that in fact, that it is from the earth that we derive our true natures of humanity & humility.....Transcendent deities always lend themselves to hubris & a split in the psychic consciousness.

Such contradictions can only be had, when you have a religion founded upon an erroneous notion of the Deity....One that accords the essence of human nature & spirituality itself as fundamentally transcendent, divorced from this earth & our own bodies & feelings.....When you divide the divine in 2, then mankind can only follow in that self-same splitting from ourselves.....both individually & collectively.

The denial of this fully self-conscious hypocrisy can be seen today, with the full-court Western corporate owned & run hegemonic MSM press, fully characterized by a propaganda/censorship modality in so far as Geo-politics is concerned.....And all of this is fundamentally prefaced upon Biblical prescriptions.

Only a return to the Goddess can save us from ourselves.
No thanks Gorbachev, earth/gaia worship is not for me. Nothing will save us from ourselves, human nature never changes.

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Correct, which is why we need a change in divinity.
The reason I called you Gorby is because your post made me think of a statement made by him about creating a new green religion. Its not really new, its a revival of old pagan divine feminine doctrines. It was promoted through new age babble. It ties in with Gaia/mother earth veneration and ultimately the religion of climate change. We must save the planet from terrible humans destroying it etc. It is yet another con dreamed up by the psychopaths (who are mostly men btw) run the world.

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Creating a new green religion. Its not really new, its a revival of old pagan divine feminine doctrines. It ties in with Gaia/mother earth veneration and ultimately the religion of self-sustainability on a limited earth....An acknowledgement of our finite reality on this planet, if you will.

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Fixed it for you.:thumbsu:

Even the atheist materialists have their very own Garden retreat philosopher in Epicurus, as a cure to the madness of the Roman Forum.....Feel free to Knock yer-self out on that one.
 

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Fixed it for you.:thumbsu:

Even the atheist materialists have their very own Garden retreat philosopher in Epicurus, as a cure to the madness of the Roman Forum.....Feel free to Knock yer-self out on that one.
You should be a UN spokesperson. They love good conmen. Who defines self sustainability? What does it mean for you? Because I guarantee you that sustainability will mean poverty for the average person across the planet and MASSIVE control and profits for the masters. Im all for doing things in a smart way, but as its being pushed right now by the UN is a total con. I hope you like junk electric cars and not being able to heat your home come winter. People already freeze to death in their own homes in droves in the UK because of these disgusting policies. Its not being directed by people who care about the planet. All they want is total control of everyones life from birth to death.

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You should be a UN spokesperson. They love good conmen. Who defines self sustainability? What does it mean for you? Because I guarantee you that sustainability will mean poverty for the average person across the planet and MASSIVE control and profits for the masters. Im all for doing things in a smart way, but as its being pushed right now by the UN is a total con. I hope you like junk electric cars and not being able to heat your home come winter. People already freeze to death in their own homes in droves in the UK because of these disgusting policies. Its not being directed by people who care about the planet. All they want is total control of everyones life from birth to death.

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I've got nothing against the premise you are arguing here.....Though I'm not sure what it has to do with the point of religion as a front for materialism or atheism as an equal argument for the materialist creed.

My point is that we are all drowning in a sea of materialism, now that the point of existence is no longer mooted as the salvation of our souls.
 

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Thats just lazy anti-intellectual rubbish. Atheism can be just as structured and dogmatic as any religion. Just look at the atheists in here barking at everyone that their view is the only correct one and characterising anyone whom believes in a God as some psychopathic warmongering pedophile. The 20th century was the bloodiest of all precisely because social engineers worked to kick out the moral backstops that belief in God and religious practices had instilled.

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It's only lazy anti-intellectual rubbish to morons who insist they label others to make them feel better about their own idiocy.
All humans are born by default as atheists.
They have to be indoctrinated for many years to believe the tripe the religious swallow without question, the abject anti-intellectuals they are, one and all.
As usual the lunatics in charge of the churches asylum insist it is those outside who are the nutters.
 
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