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Logically I'm agnostic. Until there is empirical proof either way you MAY be right, at least in the way there is something beyond and above both humanity and death. I choose actively to believe there are no gods, not for the ego-thrill of rejection itself, but because I honestly can't see it.
This is it for me too. I tried it but I just can't see it, can't feel it, can't experience it; in the same way that other Christians could.

I wonder if there are two sorts of human brain when it comes to religion and matters spiritual - one that can feel it (through the release of brain chemicals or certain brain cell connections) and the other that can't. A bit like being right or left handed. I am in the can't feel it category. I don't know which one is the normal and which one is the munted version. So either God exists only in the minds of those who believe, or God does exist but has chosen not to manifest himself to me by giving me a non spiritual brain type. Either way I go along ion the basis that he is not there unless there is some incontrovertible manifestation.
 

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Stalin,as you know was educated in a Seminary,he saw the usefulness of control and victimisation of the masses thru force and human depredation and he did so using the doctrine of christian doctrine and was very successful because of it!
Beautiful spin! How can you spin Mao next?
 

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This is it for me too. I tried it but I just can't see it, can't feel it, can't experience it; in the same way that other Christians could.

I wonder if there are two sorts of human brain when it comes to religion and matters spiritual - one that can feel it (through the release of brain chemicals or certain brain cell connections) and the other that can't. A bit like being right or left handed. I am in the can't feel it category. I don't know which one is the normal and which one is the munted version. So either God exists only in the minds of those who believe, or God does exist but has chosen not to manifest himself to me by giving me a non spiritual brain type. Either way I go along ion the basis that he is not there unless there is some incontrovertible manifestation.
They’d be more than 2 types I’d say. Like everything nowadays it all about the spectrum.I’d say they’d be some type of intuitive or spiritual spectrum that we could all be placed on. Likewise a analytical spectrum.

Here’s a dodgy theory that basically says that intuitive thinkers were very important for our survival.
“ I can’t see a Sabre tooth behind that bush.
I cant hear or smell one but I just reckon there is one I don’t know why but I’m avoiding it.

The analytical thinker would have not heard, smelt or seen the sabre tooth and carried on... sometimes there was a sabre tooth behind the bush.

Who’s genes were passed on?

Nowadays the analytical thinker through humanity and technology evolving together has become quite the catch for the opposite sex.

Would be very difficult for the full blown analytical thinker to even contemplate something as intuitive as God.

For a full blown intuitive thinker the God concept is as clear as day.

The spectrum then puts a lot of us in between.
 

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That’s right! More Stalinism please!!
This post demonstrates the pathetic level of poster you are. Calling for the government to be secular (in other words, to take no position either for or against religion) to you means "Stalinist".

Two can play at your game. You must want a Christian theocracy like Saudi Arabia.

You continue to display a jaw dropping level of stupid in every post.
 

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This post demonstrates the pathetic level of poster you are. Calling for the government to be secular (in other words, to take no position either for or against religion) to you means "Stalinist".

Two can play at your game. You must want a Christian theocracy like Saudi Arabia.

You continue to display a jaw dropping level of stupid in every post.
:think:
 

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Beautiful spin! How can you spin Mao next?
No spin.
Mao was the same,my way or die,much like all crusaders of Abraham.
He was prepared to gut his own child,I would die an infinite lives of torture and degradation that my children draw one last breath.
I am more moral and infinitely better designed and evolved than your prophet!
I’m a human primate and proud of it!
I like and enjoy what I am without your petulant and pestilential sky daddy that is full of hatred for us!
We will evolve your nonsense out of your children and they will be true and free!
Your forebears will thank me!
 

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You said it. God is SYMBOLIC. Some need to rely on the idea of an 'outside adjudicator' because they haven't got the inner strength or fortitude to be a 'good' person on their own because of some belief that the self alone cannot act justly. Maybe they have been brought up to believe that this is so. Conviction is reinforced down the generations. But relying on this 'outside' power because your own inner fire is out can leave you weak. Dependent.

In the beginning everything was unknown. There was no science and no writing. Lightning strikes a tree somewhere. Who did that? Sky people. Lightning strike starts a fire. Fire is terrible but it keeps us warm. How to keep warm? Appease sky people so they do it again.

Someone with rat cunning sees this and thinks of ways to take advantage. "The sky people only speak through me," they might have said. "Build me a house and then we'll talk results." He gets friends and family involved and thus a clerical heirarchy is born.

Sky people ? Well done Lord Greystoke.

We know as much as we did then as we do now.
There’s stuff and it’s in motion. There lies the God concept.
 

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No spin.
Mao was the same,my way or die,much like all crusaders of Abraham.
He was prepared to gut his own child,I would die an infinite lives of torture and degradation that my children draw one last breath.
I am more moral and infinitely better designed and evolved than your prophet!
I’m a human primate and proud of it!
I like and enjoy what I am without your petulant and pestilential sky daddy that is full of hatred for us!
We will evolve your nonsense out of your children and they will be true and free!
Your forebears will thank me!
Nice rant Kermit!
 

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Secularism ultimately leads to power and control of others. Human nature bud.
A theocracy/forced athiesm is power and control of others. Secularism is a neutral view of religion where the State takes no sides and stays out of the debate entirely.

So wrong, try again.
 

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They’d be more than 2 types I’d say. Like everything nowadays it all about the spectrum.I’d say they’d be some type of intuitive or spiritual spectrum that we could all be placed on. Likewise a analytical spectrum.

Here’s a dodgy theory that basically says that intuitive thinkers were very important for our survival.
“ I can’t see a Sabre tooth behind that bush.
I cant hear or smell one but I just reckon there is one I don’t know why but I’m avoiding it.

The analytical thinker would have not heard, smelt or seen the sabre tooth and carried on... sometimes there was a sabre tooth behind the bush.

Who’s genes were passed on?

Nowadays the analytical thinker through humanity and technology evolving together has become quite the catch for the opposite sex.

Would be very difficult for the full blown analytical thinker to even contemplate something as intuitive as God.

For a full blown intuitive thinker the God concept is as clear as day.

The spectrum then puts a lot of us in between.
Although that’s a borrowed evolutionary idea,I do respect and agree with your use of the premise.
We are the natural world,we do have animal instincts because we are animals.
We are first and foremost,pattern seekers,it helped us elude the predators by being such.
It has continued on into our evolution as higher primates but somewhat devolved into seeing jesus on a slice of toast .
Is this helpful in our trajectory toward immortality?
Because that is,regardless of what the spiritual nature of our being desires,in materialistic terms should and must be our goal.
If the universe is speeding up and almost infinite,why should we not meet this as a concern?
I know my kid,a 12 year old boy,wants for this,he wants it all and second best is not enough!
 

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”Here’s cc”...
“Yeeeeeeaaaashhhhh
Arms flailing,as i enter stage right.....
Who doesn’t love Kermit?,a childhood hero of mine.
At least I knew he had an arm up his clacker.....a pity your church didn’t feel the same ey Georgie boi?
 

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”Here’s cc”...
“Yeeeeeeaaaashhhhh
Arms flailing,as i enter stage right.....
Who doesn’t love Kermit?,a childhood hero of mine.
At least I knew he had an arm up his clacker.....a pity your church didn’t feel the same ey Georgie boi?
I think you’re asking if I’m Catholic? Hard to tell.
 

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Oh I’ve been wrong plenty of times, just not with you.
Again rather than one line copout answers. Explain more.

You got triggered about my post saying how you run for the hills in every thread. Here's your chance to prove me wrong.

How is secularism about power and control compared to a theocracy or state mandated athiesm?
 

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Again rather than one line copout answers. Explain more.

You got triggered about my post saying how you run for the hills in every thread. Here's your chance to prove me wrong.

How is secularism about power and control compared to a theocracy or state mandated athiesm?
Believe me, you are the furthest thing in the world from a trigger to me.
You want an answer and it’s very very simple. No matter what utopian ideals you think you have, people and human nature will never allow it to happen.
 

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Believe me, you are the furthest thing in the world from a trigger to me.
You want an answer and it’s very very simple. No matter what utopian ideals you think you have, people and human nature will never allow it to happen.
Didnt answer the question again. What a surprise.

You arent capable of comprehending anything outside your book of fairytales. No use trying to get a reasonable answer out of an idiotic religious fundy.
 

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Didnt answer the question again. What a surprise.

You arent capable of comprehending anything outside your book of fairytales. No use trying to get a reasonable answer out of an idiotic religious fundy.
So you missed the part where I answered you?
You’re a clown.
 
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