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Pendragon trialled alright the other day, just average though. I had a big opinion of that horse when it won the Norman Robinson in 2005, and by all accounts should have won the Derby too if Boss had any clue.
 

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Pendragon trialled alright the other day, just average though. I had a big opinion of that horse when it won the Norman Robinson in 2005, and by all accounts should have won the Derby too if Boss had any clue.
I backed him that day and thought Boss rode him ok. Headturner was the moral beaten by a rare bad Beadman ride. I got the opinion that he didn't quite get the trip and 2000m was as far as he wanted it. His trial was pretty good- Jumped very well to actually lead early (50-100m) and was eased right back and then was never really pushed out. Exciting horse. 1600-2000m I reckon's his go. Bart obviously knows better than me though!
 

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I backed him that day and thought Boss rode him ok. Headturner was the moral beaten by a rare bad Beadman ride. I got the opinion that he didn't quite get the trip and 2000m was as far as he wanted it. His trial was pretty good- Jumped very well to actually lead early (50-100m) and was eased right back and then was never really pushed out. Exciting horse. 1600-2000m I reckon's his go. Bart obviously knows better than me though!
I don't think it was the 2500m of the Derby that troubled him. It's just that 3YO's can't run on from dead last and be expected to win over 2500m. I think you'll find that if all's right and sound and he draws, say, a barrier 6 or so in a 2400m race now, you'll find he'll be able to run it out.
 

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I backed him that day and thought Boss rode him ok. Headturner was the moral beaten by a rare bad Beadman ride. I got the opinion that he didn't quite get the trip and 2000m was as far as he wanted it. His trial was pretty good- Jumped very well to actually lead early (50-100m) and was eased right back and then was never really pushed out. Exciting horse. 1600-2000m I reckon's his go. Bart obviously knows better than me though!
It's very hard to say. The first that is that they all, so to speak, run out it out, that is run 2500, by definition. Pretty much none of them would be competitive over that distance against older horses (every so often there is one who will be, but the last demonstrable example is Mighty Kingdom who won the 79 Caulfield Cup at 3).

Typically it is the most precious, and classiest animal who will prevail, rather than one who necessarily stays, because, usually, not many of them can and the race is not run at a sufficiently fast tempo to make it a real staying contest. Mahogany is an example of this type.

Also, compare the times run in the Saab Quality, and the Derby. Both 2500 metre races on the same day:

Saab: 2.35.86
Derby: 2.38.35

A second equals approx 6 or 7 lengths, so as you can see, at 3 these horses aren't in the same league. The other argument about Derby's (and Oaks for that matter) not being genuine staying races is the historically poor pointer they have provided to both the Cups.

So, as to whether or not Pendragon runs out 2400, we will only know after he attempts to run out 2400. For what it's worth I think he could have run a place in the Derby but it looked to me like he changed stride 50 or 100 metres out which cost him some ground.
 

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It's very hard to say. The first that is that they all, so to speak, run out it out, that is run 2500, by definition. Pretty much none of them would be competitive over that distance against older horses (every so often there is one who will be, but the last demonstrable example is Mighty Kingdom who won the 79 Caulfield Cup at 3).

Typically it is the most precious, and classiest animal who will prevail, rather than one who necessarily stays, because, usually, not many of them can and the race is not run at a sufficiently fast tempo to make it a real staying contest. Mahogany is an example of this type.

Also, compare the times run in the Saab Quality, and the Derby. Both 2500 metre races on the same day:

Saab: 2.35.86
Derby: 2.38.35

A second equals approx 6 or 7 lengths, so as you can see, at 3 these horses aren't in the same league. The other argument about Derby's (and Oaks for that matter) not being genuine staying races is the historically poor pointer they have provided to both the Cups.

So, as to whether or not Pendragon runs out 2400, we will only know after he attempts to run out 2400. For what it's worth I think he could have run a place in the Derby but it looked to me like he changed stride 50 or 100 metres out which cost him some ground.
Absolutely agree! The Derby is usually won by the classiest horse who can outsprint them for the last 600m. I still believe there are question marks on whether Pendragon can stay. He is bred to sprint and when he won the Norman Robinson (2000m) he fell in with Headturner almost reeling him in.
 

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I was gunna ask why Eremein is $21 for the Doncaster as I reckon it'd be a good chance over 1800m against anyone but ive realised it tackles a different program including the BMW etc
 

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Why is there a little bit of hate here for Miss Andretti?, one can only marvel at her run, especially how she pounced at the 200m with Newitt playing the patient game and waiting for a run. She just went to sleep on them about 200m out of the gates and shot them down like they where a 3rd rate bunch of sprinters, nice ride as well Newitt.

I would happily have her over Gold Edition for the Guniness, anyone who backs against her especially in Melbourne is a very very brave person.

Efficent seems to me to be the new 'hero of australian racing', seems a likely CC horse and depending how handles his 2nd spring he may even have be our next Melbourne Cup star, has talent bursting out his ears, I just wounder if he even realises how good he is?.

Pompei Ruler to me is no star, a very strong willed horse who has a great cruising speed, loves to fight tooth and nail to the line but just lacks that star quality, reminds off that horse who in Sydney who always used to run 2nd against Grand Armee (what is his name i just frigging had it??), same goes with Casual Pass.

The good thing is this year is probably the most exciting year since Freedman confirmed that MD was going for a 3rd spring campaign, we have alot of boom horses on the up and some fantastic fillies, no doubt a few will fail but im tipping huge things from Haradasun,MF,MA,Efficent and El Sugundo.

cheers lads
 

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Should be a good run on Saturday in the CF Orr stakes.
Hopefully Haradasun runs so it will be shown up as a class below the best.
No doubt the trainers will decide not to run it, that way the public will continue to believe the hype.

Only wish Efficient was running on Saturday, then it would be an amazing race.
 

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Why is there a little bit of hate here for Miss Andretti?, one can only marvel at her run, especially how she pounced at the 200m with Newitt playing the patient game and waiting for a run. She just went to sleep on them about 200m out of the gates and shot them down like they where a 3rd rate bunch of sprinters, nice ride as well Newitt.

I would happily have her over Gold Edition for the Guniness, anyone who backs against her especially in Melbourne is a very very brave person.

cheers lads
Tige, Miss Andretti, Guineas?? Can't happen mate.

PS. I will happily back Magnus in any handicap against Miss Andretti, & I don't think that's overly brave. Hopefully just smart ;)
She will concentrate just on WFA, as she will be weighted out of handicaps & struggles to carry weight.
 

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Tige, Miss Andretti, Guineas?? Can't happen mate.
Due to Miss Andretti being a 5YO of course. I think tige means the Newmarket.

Is Marasco coming across this week to race on Saturday at Caulfield? Really looking forward to seeing him whereever he runs and whichever way Kersley decides to go with the horse. Anyone got thoughts on Marasco?
 
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