No Opposition Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 3

Northernsoul74

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They should get 3-4 games at their home ground in Geelong against the interstate sides like the rest of the Melbourne clubs do.(Which is a true home ground advantage) Then they should play their other home games at Marvel or the MCG (their choice) like the rest of the Victorian teams do where there isn't a true home ground advantage as the majority of the fans on both sides can attend the games . Stiff shit as far as I'm concerned. That makes it fair and equitable for all the Victorian clubs.. They should be made to be a tenant at Marvel in my opinion as that is the closest co tenant stadium to Geelong .. They shouldn't get such a massive advantage to make finals every year..
You keep talking about “the rest of the Melbourne clubs” but the point is Geelong isn’t a Melbourne club. To me they should play as many home games in Geelong as all the interstate teams play at home.
 

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Northernsoul74

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I've been assured this isn't a rumour, but it looks as though according to what Channel 7 presented to their shareholders today the last 4 rounds will see Friday Nights subject to Flex Scheduling. If you know the NFL and their Sunday Night schedule you'll know exactly how this works.
I don’t mind it as long as some reasonable notice is given ie it’s not just decided the end of the previous round.
 

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Has it been that much of an advantage over history? Sure Richmond is making use of it now and Hawthorn before them but not a lot of MCG tenants won between 1997 and 2012.
Yes it really is quite ridiculous.

Every club that has success achieves it purely because of an unfair advantage they have.
 

Pugz89

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I don’t mind it as long as some reasonable notice is given ie it’s not just decided the end of the previous round.
Makes sense from a broadcaster's perspective, not ideal from a fan or club perspective, unless significant notice is given as you mentioned. Suspect it will be the bye rounds that they announce the remaining schedule.
 

dogwatch

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Yes it really is quite ridiculous.

Every club that has success achieves it purely because of an unfair advantage they have.
Quite correct - we only won the flag because of the iniquitous bye!
Has it been that much of an advantage over history? Sure Richmond is making use of it now and Hawthorn before them but not a lot of MCG tenants won between 1997 and 2012.
I really don't know. I was just using it as an example of other aspects of fixturing that are not truly "level-playing field".

I know people complain about it here every September when Richmond are in the finals. Oddly enough they don't seem to mention it so much in relation to Collingwood or Hawthorn. No idea why.

My point is that there are other things that might be more realistic and achievable in levelling the playing field, e.g. access to blockbusters. Not saying it's easy, but it should be possible.
 

_M_16_

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I don't get the whinging about the Cats home ground. Marvel and MCG tenants can get 14-15 games at Marvel/MCG each season. So even when they are the "away team" vs another co tenant, it essentially is a neutral game. The Cats only get to play 7 or 8 games at the Cattery, and have to play their other "home" games, away vs Marvel and MCG teams

So as a Bulldogs fan, 2/3 of our games each year could be home advantage/neutral. Which 2/3 of the Cats games are essentially away games.

The only reason it looks like the Cats have this so called advantage, is because they have been a good team for almost 15 years in a row now? They get a lot of their wins vs form teams like Hawks, Pies, Tigers etc at the G as the "home" team
 
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Norm De Guerre

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Let the cats play more games out of the albatross around their neck otherwise known as GMHBALBGQTA Stadium.

Let them pad out their ladder position by beating mid-tier teams who rarely travel to and have no understanding of how to play inside a wet sausage.

Let their fans get ahead of themselves.

Let them get found out on the wide expanses of the G when it truly matters.
 

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They should get 3-4 games at their home ground in Geelong against the interstate sides like the rest of the Melbourne clubs do.(Which is a true home ground advantage) Then they should play their other home games at Marvel or the MCG (their choice) like the rest of the Victorian teams do where there isn't a true home ground advantage as the majority of the fans on both sides can attend the games . Stiff shit as far as I'm concerned. That makes it fair and equitable for all the Victorian clubs.. They should be made to be a tenant at Marvel in my opinion as that is the closest co tenant stadium to Geelong .. They shouldn't get such a massive advantage to make finals every year..
The flip side of this is that they get a massive disadvantage in finals (very much like interstate teams). That has been, very painfully, brought out for them since 2011.
 

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Interesting decision to axe Marn Grook. If we're being honest, it was pretty ordinary analysis but it provided a different angle to the others and surely was one of the networks better rating shows.
 

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Did anyone else read Damien Barrett’s article on North Melbourne on the AFL app today? It doesn’t paint a pretty picture for them. I know there are some on here that just hate North, not me necessarily. We have similar histories and supporter bases and working class roots. If I barracked for them I’d be worried. Can 9 teams survive in Melbourne? Are we creating a better niche in the market in the Western suburbs as compared to them in the crowded Northern suburbs (Essendon, Carlton and even Collingwood up that corridor)? Could they go to Tassie permanently? Is that a better option than merging with a Melbourne based club, staying home but only have half you culture? Or even a quarter if it was a ‘big club’? If they fall are we next? Can Australian rules football afford to lose any historic clubs, even the so-called smaller ones that have hundreds of thousands of rusted on fans who support through good and bad times?
 

Mattdougie

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Did anyone else read Damien Barrett’s article on North Melbourne on the AFL app today? It doesn’t paint a pretty picture for them. I know there are some on here that just hate North, not me necessarily. We have similar histories and supporter bases and working class roots. If I barracked for them I’d be worried. Can 9 teams survive in Melbourne? Are we creating a better niche in the market in the Western suburbs as compared to them in the crowded Northern suburbs (Essendon, Carlton and even Collingwood up that corridor)? Could they go to Tassie permanently? Is that a better option than merging with a Melbourne based club, staying home but only have half you culture? Or even a quarter if it was a ‘big club’? If they fall are we next? Can Australian rules football afford to lose any historic clubs, even the so-called smaller ones that have hundreds of thousands of rusted on fans who support through good and bad times?
Nah we are concentrating on the massive growth that will hit Ballarat in 2064 as the future 🤦🏼‍♂️
 

Triple Baileys

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Did anyone else read Damien Barrett’s article on North Melbourne on the AFL app today? It doesn’t paint a pretty picture for them. I know there are some on here that just hate North, not me necessarily. We have similar histories and supporter bases and working class roots. If I barracked for them I’d be worried. Can 9 teams survive in Melbourne? Are we creating a better niche in the market in the Western suburbs as compared to them in the crowded Northern suburbs (Essendon, Carlton and even Collingwood up that corridor)? Could they go to Tassie permanently? Is that a better option than merging with a Melbourne based club, staying home but only have half you culture? Or even a quarter if it was a ‘big club’? If they fall are we next? Can Australian rules football afford to lose any historic clubs, even the so-called smaller ones that have hundreds of thousands of rusted on fans who support through good and bad times?
If the article is accurate, they are bringing it on themselves through massive payouts to sacked officials. AFL might choose to tie their "equalisation" bailout, if or, more likely, when it gets to that, to becoming the Tassie Kangaroos.
 

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Did anyone else read Damien Barrett’s article on North Melbourne on the AFL app today? It doesn’t paint a pretty picture for them. I know there are some on here that just hate North, not me necessarily. We have similar histories and supporter bases and working class roots. If I barracked for them I’d be worried. Can 9 teams survive in Melbourne? Are we creating a better niche in the market in the Western suburbs as compared to them in the crowded Northern suburbs (Essendon, Carlton and even Collingwood up that corridor)? Could they go to Tassie permanently? Is that a better option than merging with a Melbourne based club, staying home but only have half you culture? Or even a quarter if it was a ‘big club’? If they fall are we next? Can Australian rules football afford to lose any historic clubs, even the so-called smaller ones that have hundreds of thousands of rusted on fans who support through good and bad times?
Are we next? North and Saints would be the first in line to go before we do to be honest. We have done very well off the field in recent years to strengthen the club. I have always believed the league will grow to, and should cap itself at 20 teams, keep two in each of the main states. A third team in WA and SA, both football first states and all their current teams have large supporter bases. And eventually a team in Tasmania, but that would have to be at the expense of a current Melbourne team, and repeat again if they throw a team into NT or Canberra. It would be better for Melbourne teams if there was a team or two less. Will be a question of whether fans will go towards the smaller teams, or just jump onto the bandwagons of the larger clubs. May not happen all in our lifetimes, but teams will always come and go in sports, even big ones can sometimes sink.

North and Saints both have similar membership numbers to us, but both have been plagued by debt and poor management decisions in recent times.
 

Mattdougie

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Are we next? North and Saints would be the first in line to go before we do to be honest. We have done very well off the field in recent years to strengthen the club. I have always believed the league will grow to, and should cap itself at 20 teams, keep two in each of the main states. A third team in WA and SA, both football first states and all their current teams have large supporter bases. And eventually a team in Tasmania, but that would have to be at the expense of a current Melbourne team, and repeat again if they throw a team into NT or Canberra. It would be better for Melbourne teams if there was a team or two less. Will be a question of whether fans will go towards the smaller teams, or just jump onto the bandwagons of the larger clubs. May not happen all in our lifetimes, but teams will always come and go in sports, even big ones can sometimes sink.

North and Saints both have similar membership numbers to us, but both have been plagued by debt and poor management decisions in recent times.
You mean the Stkilda we got Bevo and Baines from?

if it comes down to us and the saints we are Screwed
 

Triple Baileys

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Are we next? North and Saints would be the first in line to go before we do to be honest. We have done very well off the field in recent years to strengthen the club. I have always believed the league will grow to, and should cap itself at 20 teams, keep two in each of the main states. A third team in WA and SA, both football first states and all their current teams have large supporter bases. And eventually a team in Tasmania, but that would have to be at the expense of a current Melbourne team, and repeat again if they throw a team into NT or Canberra. It would be better for Melbourne teams if there was a team or two less. Will be a question of whether fans will go towards the smaller teams, or just jump onto the bandwagons of the larger clubs. May not happen all in our lifetimes, but teams will always come and go in sports, even big ones can sometimes sink.

North and Saints both have similar membership numbers to us, but both have been plagued by debt and poor management decisions in recent times.
That is the key to it. How well the club is being managed. We are one of a clutch of Melbourne teams who have to walk a tightrope. Compare to Sydney, GWS, Gold Coast and Brisbane who can stuff up over and over and just get more poured in to fix.
 

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I truly hope it works out for North. Putting myself in a Kangaroo supporter's shoes, the idea of having your club permanently pushed out of Melbourne is a horrible idea which I wouldn't wish on anyone, it would as good as kill football for me.
Its not a nice position to be in and I would hope one that we don't ever find ourself in again (perhaps the Ballarat deal helps to reduce the chance of this?), but its absolutely possible that we are one day in the future.
 

mcgleereturns

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If the Fightback failed in 89, I would have spent the last 30 years watching the game on TV ( but saving 1000s not subscribing to FoxFooty) but never setting foot inside a ground for a live game again as a supporter of a team. I’m an old school emotional connection since birth supporter which I’ve instilled in my kids who have the same philosophy to footy. If it ever comes to us going down the gurgler again, AFL would be dead to me. I don’t wish that on anyone, even North supporters.


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