Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[GameofSloanes]

Well you should. They dominated inside 50s after we kicked those 5, they kicked what 8 points? Including Neale running into an open goal. Hell even Nicks said we got lucky.

We did get lucky
But they only got all those inside 50s and shots because we made a mistake and went defensive too early
We arent doing that any more

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Anyone think that Brad Scott wouldn't risk threatening his brother's top 4 position by winning tonight?

No.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

In 2017 we played the Kangas in Hobart.

We were 6-0, they were 0-6. Surely this was 1 v 18?

I forget what the result ended up .

We must have had a few too many drinks on the Tassie Road Trip.

My mates and I always bring up the 6-0/0-6 when anyone suggests going to a match in Tassie. At least the 64 points down at 1/4 was accurate. I even checked the 2017 results to confirm that this was correct (obviously missed the Kangas win over Gold Coast, lucky I’m not a statistician).

The wind in the first half was as strong as anything I’ve witnesses in the AFL. Don Pyke decided not to have extra men in defence in the first quarter ( this was before the 6/6/6 was introduced). At the start of the second quarter the Kangas had 8 men in defence. I lost a bit of confidence in the Maestro that day!

 

[kirky]

We must have had a few too many drinks on the Tassie Road Trip.

My mates and I always bring up the 6-0/0-6 when anyone suggests going to a match in Tassie. At least the 64 points down at 1/4 was accurate. I even checked the 2017 results to confirm that this was correct (obviously missed the Kangas win over Gold Coast, lucky I’m not a statistician).

The wind in the first half was as strong as anything I’ve witnesses in the AFL. Don Pyke decided not to have extra men in defence in the first quarter ( this was before the 6/6/6 was introduced). At the start of the second quarter the Kangas had 8 men in defence. I lost a bit of confidence in the Maestro that day!

You missed the NM vs Gold Coast game? That was literally the week before our Round 7 clash.

 

[cmndstab]

We must have had a few too many drinks on the Tassie Road Trip.

My mates and I always bring up the 6-0/0-6 when anyone suggests going to a match in Tassie. At least the 64 points down at 1/4 was accurate. I even checked the 2017 results to confirm that this was correct (obviously missed the Kangas win over Gold Coast, lucky I’m not a statistician).

The wind in the first half was as strong as anything I’ve witnesses in the AFL. Don Pyke decided not to have extra men in defence in the first quarter ( this was before the 6/6/6 was introduced). At the start of the second quarter the Kangas had 8 men in defence. I lost a bit of confidence in the Maestro that day!

This was the only Crows match in 2017 that I've never actually seen. I was on a holiday with friends at Marion Bay at the time, and I was fishing for squid on the jetty as the the FiveAA call came through on my phone, getting increasingly flabbergasted before switching off at quarter time and forgetting that football existed for the rest of the trip.

I figured that I would get to finally watch it when I did my big "rewatch the entire premiership season" thing after we won the flag, but, you know...

 

[chazwazza]

Sturt would beat essendon easily

We almost lost to South last week

 

[Cromulant]

We almost lost to South last week

Never in doubt..... once we eventually turned up to the oval at HT.

 

[adelaidecrows]

This was the only Crows match in 2017 that I've never actually seen. I was on a holiday with friends at Marion Bay at the time, and I was fishing for squid on the jetty as the the FiveAA call came through on my phone, getting increasingly flabbergasted before switching off at quarter time and forgetting that football existed for the rest of the trip.

I figured that I would get to finally watch it when I did my big "rewatch the entire premiership season" thing after we won the flag, but, you know...

just freakish conditions but I dont think we even really turned up that day anyway. It was one of those games we thought was in the bank, North hit us hard and with the freakish wind they were able to maximise the advantage. In the end we out scored them in the remaining 3qtrs. We were flogged at home the week after too. So we really had a form lapse.

 

[kirky]

just freakish conditions but I dont think we even really turned up that day anyway. It was one of those games we thought was in the bank, North hit us hard and with the freakish wind they were able to maximise the advantage. In the end we out scored them in the remaining 3qtrs. We were flogged at home the week after too. So we really had a form lapse.

And thats the key difference between our 2017 side and this side.

The Freo game aside, they have turned up for every game this year and yet to be belted this year. The only side not to have a loss over 20 points.

 

[George CantStandYa]

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[Vader]

This was the only Crows match in 2017 that I've never actually seen. I was on a holiday with friends at Marion Bay at the time, and I was fishing for squid on the jetty as the the FiveAA call came through on my phone, getting increasingly flabbergasted before switching off at quarter time and forgetting that football existed for the rest of the trip.

I figured that I would get to finally watch it when I did my big "rewatch the entire premiership season" thing after we won the flag, but, you know...

It was the only game I've ever stopped watching part way through. I was watching it at the Ainslie Football Club. I walked out at half-time, saying to myself "if the players can't be bothered trying, I can't be bothered watching".

 

[MatthewB]

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[adelaidecrows]

And thats the key difference between our 2017 side and this side.

The Freo game aside, they have turned up for every game this year and yet to be belted this year. The only side not to have a loss over 20 points.

Credit to Nicks, players consistently turn up and play out the game. How many times have we come back to lose by 1 to 2 goals from 4 or 5 goals down in the last quarter. Every crows coach prior to Nicks would have seen those 4 to 5 goal deficits turn into 6 or 7 goal blow outs. Even 1 to 2 goal deficits under previous coaches used to see the losing margin blow out by the end of the game. yes we still lose but I argue are losses are better these days as we do tend to fight out the game. Will it translate into 4 qrtr performances and finals wins, time will tell.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Well deserved.

 

[kirky]

Credit to Nicks, players consistently turn up and play out the game. How many times have we come back to lose by 1 to 2 goals from 4 or 5 goals down in the last quarter. Every crows coach prior to Nicks would have seen those 4 to 5 goal deficits turn into 6 or 7 goal blow outs. Even 1 to 2 goal deficits under previous coaches used to see the losing margin blow out by the end of the game. yes we still lose but I argue are losses are better these days as we do tend to fight out the game. Will it translate into 4 qrtr performances and finals wins, time will tell.

Well those close losses over the past couple of years have ended up turning into wins into 2025 - Brisbane, Melbourne and Hawthorn. All behind 3+ goals and go on to win.

Now just need to get rid of the Collingwood gorilla on our backs.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It was the only game I've ever stopped watching part way through. I was watching it at the Ainslie Football Club. I walked out at half-time, saying to myself "if the players can't be bothered trying, I can't be bothered watching".

If I am at the game I always stay and watch even a thumping, you never know what highlight you might see. On TV though, yeah, its hard to sit there and stay focused. I learned the hardway not to leave a match early. My dad made us leave a Port v Collingwood mid season trial game back in the early 90s when they had them, must have been circa 92, 93. Port were down by 5 goals with 5 minutes to go and dad decided he wanted to escape footy park. When we got to the car and turned the radio on, Port had come back to lose by just 3 points.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

A bit late to do an autopsy but....

‘8 unwarranted free kicks’: Ex-AFL umpire Troy Pannell’s controversial calls​

Footage from a controversial AFL match has a whistleblower raising questions about how ex-umpire Troy Pannell made those free kick calls. SEE THE VIDEO.

2 min read
August 8, 2025 - 2:05PM
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Did this ex-AFL umpire give too many free kicks?
Controversial umpire Troy Pannell giving free kicks during the Western Bulldogs v Adelaide Crows match at Marvel Stadium in 2016.... more

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The AFL has declined to investigate a controversial AFL match umpired by Troy Pannell, despite one umpire claiming he counted eight unwarranted free kicks to the Western Bulldogs.
A former AFL umpire has checked the tape of the match between the Bulldogs and the Adelaide Crows at Marvel Stadium in 2016.
Pannell paid 17 free kicks to the Bulldogs and only one to the Crows in that match, which the Dogs won by 15 points.
The match has hit the headlines again after Pannell was convicted of contempt of court for failing to file a defence to a claim from his former employer SeaRoad Shipping.

Former AFL umpire Troy Pannell. Picture: Michael Klein
The company alleged that Pannell misappropriated $8.7 million over more than a decade for container repairs that were never done.
Pannell was due to file a defence to the claim by July 13 from his jail cell after he was sentenced to 11 weeks in prison for dodging court appearances.

AFL umpire Troy Pannell departs from the Supreme Court of Victoria. He was sentenced to 11 weeks in jail in late July. Picture: NewsWire / Diego Fedele
A former AFL umpire who reviewed the footage said he estimated Mr Pannell paid free kicks with a “Western Bulldogs bias as his default” with at least “eight unwarranted” decisions.
“For some of the free kicks it’s obvious he’s gone looking for a free kick to pay,” the former umpire said.
“The alarming one for me is the centre bounce one to Tom Liberatore. As the bouncing umpire your focus is almost solely on the rucks.

“The non controlling umpire’s job is to watch the midfielders for holds.
“To pay such a marginal free kick when those two players should not even be his focus suggests to me he was searching for a free kick to pay in that instance as he knew those two players would likely be engaging each other”.

Ex-AFL umpire Troy Pannell. Picture: Mark Dadswell/Getty Images
The former senior whistleblower said the footage raised questions about how Mr Pannell could have made those decisions.
“An umpire of his experience shouldn’t have been making those types of errors,” he said.
“Eight unwarranted free kicks is unforgivable. In umpiring we’re taught that you would rather miss something than pay something that is marginal or isn’t there.”
Pannell’s life has fallen apart since his alleged fraud was discovered last year.
Pannell was living in his car before he was arrested after an accident in June, but has told a court that intends to file a defence in SeaRoad Shipping’s civil claim.

Former AFL umpire Troy Pannell. Picture: Glenn Ferguson
Many of the free kicks paid in the match were to Bulldogs midfielder Tom Liberatore, while Adelaide’s Scott Thompson was pinged several times by Pannell. There is no suggestion of wrongdoing on the part of the players.
Three other umpires who viewed the footage raised similar concerns.
Another umpire said: “I count six unwarranted free kicks and six 50/50s. Either way it’s a very bad day at the office for an experienced top level official.”
“They can wage a heavy case for dodgy decisions but I don’t think they cost the team the game.”
The 2016 loss denied Adelaide a top four spot and secured seventh place for the Bulldogs, where they led their unprecedented march towards their first flag for 62 years.
The AFL declined to answer questions about whether it would investigate Mr Pannell’s performance.
The AFL was approached for comment.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/8-unwarranted-free-kicks-exafl-umpire-troy-pannells-controversial-calls/news-story/7ef54339d953bf92587e68edf8b6be6c?utm_source=TheAdvertiser&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=ADV_PREM-PM_NEW_01&net_sub_id=285893080&type=free_text_block&position=15

 

[Coopers]

Neither guy trying to hurt the other.

I think that's the crux of it. Contact not avoidable. I guess he could have let Howe iron him out by not turning, but you've got a half second to protect yourself, so that's just instinct.

I'd be reasonably confident he wasn't trying to hurt Howe, so... let's hope the decision goes that way.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

You missed the NM vs Gold Coast game? That was literally the week before our Round 7 clash.

Guilty.

 

[cmndstab]

Oh boy, only an hour to go until we get to witness an absolute football mugging.

 

[BRL121]

Oh boy, only an hour to go until we get to witness an absolute football mugging.

There's nothing to watch until tomorrow evening. Try Netflix.

 

[Geoffa32]

There's nothing to watch until tomorrow evening. Try Netflix.

And chill.....

 

[Peter Doherty]

Geelong are only resting Danger and Martin?

 

[Crow_68]

A bit late to do an autopsy but....

‘8 unwarranted free kicks’: Ex-AFL umpire Troy Pannell’s controversial calls​

Footage from a controversial AFL match has a whistleblower raising questions about how ex-umpire Troy Pannell made those free kick calls. SEE THE VIDEO.

2 min read
August 8, 2025 - 2:05PM
National News Network

Did this ex-AFL umpire give too many free kicks?
Controversial umpire Troy Pannell giving free kicks during the Western Bulldogs v Adelaide Crows match at Marvel Stadium in 2016.... more

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The AFL has declined to investigate a controversial AFL match umpired by Troy Pannell, despite one umpire claiming he counted eight unwarranted free kicks to the Western Bulldogs.
A former AFL umpire has checked the tape of the match between the Bulldogs and the Adelaide Crows at Marvel Stadium in 2016.
Pannell paid 17 free kicks to the Bulldogs and only one to the Crows in that match, which the Dogs won by 15 points.
The match has hit the headlines again after Pannell was convicted of contempt of court for failing to file a defence to a claim from his former employer SeaRoad Shipping.

Former AFL umpire Troy Pannell. Picture: Michael Klein
The company alleged that Pannell misappropriated $8.7 million over more than a decade for container repairs that were never done.
Pannell was due to file a defence to the claim by July 13 from his jail cell after he was sentenced to 11 weeks in prison for dodging court appearances.

AFL umpire Troy Pannell departs from the Supreme Court of Victoria. He was sentenced to 11 weeks in jail in late July. Picture: NewsWire / Diego Fedele
A former AFL umpire who reviewed the footage said he estimated Mr Pannell paid free kicks with a “Western Bulldogs bias as his default” with at least “eight unwarranted” decisions.
“For some of the free kicks it’s obvious he’s gone looking for a free kick to pay,” the former umpire said.
“The alarming one for me is the centre bounce one to Tom Liberatore. As the bouncing umpire your focus is almost solely on the rucks.

“The non controlling umpire’s job is to watch the midfielders for holds.
“To pay such a marginal free kick when those two players should not even be his focus suggests to me he was searching for a free kick to pay in that instance as he knew those two players would likely be engaging each other”.

Ex-AFL umpire Troy Pannell. Picture: Mark Dadswell/Getty Images
The former senior whistleblower said the footage raised questions about how Mr Pannell could have made those decisions.
“An umpire of his experience shouldn’t have been making those types of errors,” he said.
“Eight unwarranted free kicks is unforgivable. In umpiring we’re taught that you would rather miss something than pay something that is marginal or isn’t there.”
Pannell’s life has fallen apart since his alleged fraud was discovered last year.
Pannell was living in his car before he was arrested after an accident in June, but has told a court that intends to file a defence in SeaRoad Shipping’s civil claim.

Former AFL umpire Troy Pannell. Picture: Glenn Ferguson
Many of the free kicks paid in the match were to Bulldogs midfielder Tom Liberatore, while Adelaide’s Scott Thompson was pinged several times by Pannell. There is no suggestion of wrongdoing on the part of the players.
Three other umpires who viewed the footage raised similar concerns.
Another umpire said: “I count six unwarranted free kicks and six 50/50s. Either way it’s a very bad day at the office for an experienced top level official.”
“They can wage a heavy case for dodgy decisions but I don’t think they cost the team the game.”
The 2016 loss denied Adelaide a top four spot and secured seventh place for the Bulldogs, where they led their unprecedented march towards their first flag for 62 years.
The AFL declined to answer questions about whether it would investigate Mr Pannell’s performance.
The AFL was approached for comment.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/8-unwarranted-free-kicks-exafl-umpire-troy-pannells-controversial-calls/news-story/7ef54339d953bf92587e68edf8b6be6c?utm_source=TheAdvertiser&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=ADV_PREM-PM_NEW_01&net_sub_id=285893080&type=free_text_block&position=15

The issue all along is that the AFL didn't want to deal with it and stuck their head in the sand.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

I am expecting a triple figure win by the Cats tonight.

If Essendon hold them to a 60 point win I will be very happy.