Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Offseason

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's in its fledgling state

The money being injected will fast-track its growth and the standard

Have posted before though that the fans of women's sport need to support it now. Can't wait till the standard gets better or the league becomes more established. Needs to stand on its own two feet well before then.

Passionate about women's sport? Believe in equality? Prove it

Go to games
Watch it on TV
Read media articles

Now. Once in a lifetime opportunity

Don't just put a Bring Back AFLW filter on your social media profiles if it falls over down the track

 

[Mr_Moogle]

No flags in nearly 30 ****ing years is as cosplay as it gets.

 

[Crow_68]

It could be good for the pear, but there is also a full 13 months until he is eligible for the draft.

Have seen far too many 'potential #1 picks' fall dramatically in a year. Ashton Moir comes to mind. It also seems as though Dyson Sharp is slipping from the top 10.

A lot of chest-puffing down the road, I’m just not sure they are smart enough to realise how much they will have to give up to secure him if he does go pick 1.

Ideally, they finish 11th and lose Butters in FA. That would be picks 8 and 9 which would be just enough to cover pick 1.A top 10 pick plus Butters would be a heavy price to pay.

 

[cleanhands]

No flags in nearly 30 ****ing years is as cosplay as it gets.

Never fear we are about to extend our premiership coach

 

[Peter Doherty]

It's in its fledgling state

The money being injected will fast-track its growth and the standard

Have posted before though that the fans of women's sport need to support it now. Can't wait till the standard gets better or the league becomes more established. Needs to stand on its own two feet well before then.

Passionate about women's sport? Believe in equality? Prove it

Go to games
Watch it on TV
Read media articles

Now. Once in a lifetime opportunity

Don't just put a Bring Back AFLW filter on your social media profiles if it falls over down the track

Yeah, good luck with that.

If that's what it's going to take, I have little confidence.

 

[1970crow]

Due to the suppression order it's probably only real footy nuffies who know about the story, I'm not sure his reputation is that damaged amongst the general public. It's probably best to just move on from it all. It's really sad some one felt the need to lie and it cost him a year of footy and potential some brand deals. He is probably better off with a civil case for lost earning rather than going down the prosecution route if he still wanted to take any action.

It’s not him that “prosecutes”. That is a decision made by the police and their prosecution arm. He would simply be a witness if the cops decided to criminally charge the chick. He can ask, but the decision is not his.

 

[cleanhands]

Yeah, good luck with that.

If that's what it's going to take, I have little confidence.

I’d like to see a lot of that money poured into the U18 comp and more exposure

 

[Stone Sour]

I put my money where my mouth is. I pay for both a men's and Women's membership, I attend AFLW games and watch it on Kayo. A lot of teens go to the games maybe because it is free but my son and his mates enjoy going because of the atmosphere.

Some might not enjoy it and that is fine but I do. I sometimes like the Women's team more than the Men's team.

 

[1970crow]

That's an important point, given the standard of proof between criminal and civil cases is different.

If there is some unfavourable evidence for Bruhn he could lose a civil case on the balance of probabilities, and might not take that chance

Far out, could you be any more way off. The evidence was that the chick asked the bloke to lie to support her false accusations. It matters not which burden is deployed, she’d be toast in whatever court she finds herself. But I doubt VICPOL progress criminal charges.

 

[1970crow]

That's an absolute disgrace.

How an initiative that is there to address historical injustices and imbalances with First Nations engagement in the game is twisted to include someone who has grown up in urban environments and has had every possible advantage to this point, and only discovered their indigenous identity after years in the game - look, it's absolute garbage from my perspective.

Yet another pathetic gutting of equalization and the draft.

Did you post similarly when Borlase was available to us under the same rules?

 

[1970crow]

You would think having 3 of the top 5 being tied to clubs would have had the AFL pause…

Nope. Double down. Let’s compromise the draft as much as we can.

Honestly the draft is such a joke now probably best we just be done with it.

Surely you want them to apply their stupid rules evenly and without fear or favour. If he qualifies, he qualifies.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah well I've been following the case because I subscribe to Geelong Advertiser and the female involved was found to have told absolute lies which both the Police and the defence lawyers shot numerous holes in and worse still she then forced her male friend to support the lies she had concocted. Why do you think the prosecution dropped the case like a hot potato.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/sexual-assault-charges-against-tanner-bruhn-dropped-after-witness-admits-lying/news-story/64777993b6af73e67371f33d4017c46e

Top criminal barrister Dermot Dann, KC, appearing in court on Tuesday for Bruhn, said his client had been “to hell and back”, declaring “this case represented a horrible stain on the criminal justice system”.

“It was a case where the evidence in the early stages of the committal revealed that when it came to these allegations of rape and sexual assault, the complainant had admitted that she had lied,” Mr Dann said.

“It was a case where another prosecution witness admitted in his evidence that he told lies to police and told lies in the court.

Here’s Soggy2112 version of innocent until proven guilty. What were Geelong “wriggling their way out of” Sog? Seems like you’re leaning toward the hypocritical end of the spectrum.

That’s Geelong for you.

The past couple weeks there is the Smith and Scott reporter incidents and now this, and there will barely be a peep out of the AFL.

There’s also Tanner Bruhn inexplicably appearing on the ground with the rest of the injured/not selected Geelong players. That has literally been unreported, and when you search for it all you can really find are a couple random tik toks from no name accounts. Why is that not being reported on?

I’m all for throwing the book at players and clubs like was done with Rankine and the GWS players, but time and again it seems like Geelong wriggle their way out of this stuff.

 

[1970crow]

It could be good for the pear, but there is also a full 13 months until he is eligible for the draft.

Have seen far too many 'potential #1 picks' fall dramatically in a year. Ashton Moir comes to mind. It also seems as though Dyson Sharp is slipping from the top 10.

Welsh was talked about as possible top 10.

 

[footy4ever]

I read the other day the AFL are losing $50 million a year on AFLW. How long can they keep this up?

I know they think thus is an investment, but surely there's a point they cant keep doing this.

In a worst case scenario, what happens?

Too late. They're stuck with it. They've already crossed the Rubicon. I see no way out.

Imagine the fallout if they scrapped it.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

It’s not surprising that the highest concentration of “Elite” players are found in the top five draft picks.

An uncompromised draft would perfectly rebalance the premiership table over time. If you regularly finish in the top four then the odds of drafting an “Elite” player is very low.

The distortion of father/sons, academies etc can dramatically change the future of a club. Brisbane have picked up two of the best Kids in the draft (the Ashcrofts were considered top five draft pick in an open draft) in the last few years plus a very good player in Fletcher. Then you add in a few academy lads and they are set up for a long period of success. Picking up an “Elite” player with a father/son pick is pure luck but throw in the academies and it will take a long, long time for clubs like North Melbourne to catch the Lions.

The top clubs also have more chance of gaining elite talent from trading and free agents. Players don’t enjoy playing for poorly performed clubs.

The system is screwed and it is only getting worse,

 

[Carmo]

How is anyone at the AFL paid above minimum wage? The reason state of origin went away was marquee players got injured during them massively adjusting the clubs chances of premiership success. Nothing has changed to alter this. What happens when WA pick Dan Curtin in their team and then he does an ACL? What will be Crows compensation, automatic equivalent pick in next year's draft? Extra salary cap space equivalent to his salary? Of course not. Of course none of this has been discussed. It's totally unforseeable that something like that would happen. FFS.

Let us pray none of our players are involved and even for other clubs players that are involved that there are no bad injuries.

 

[WeeBlake]

It’s not surprising that the highest concentration of “Elite” players are found in the top five draft picks.

An uncompromised draft would perfectly rebalance the premiership table over time. If you regularly finish in the top four then the odds of drafting an “Elite” player is very low.

The distortion of father/sons, academies etc can dramatically change the future of a club. Brisbane have picked up two of the best Kids in the draft (the Ashcrofts were considered top five draft pick in an open draft) in the last few years plus a very good player in Fletcher. Then you add in a few academy lads and they are set up for a long period of success. Picking up an “Elite” player with a father/son pick is pure luck but throw in the academies and it will take a long, long time for clubs like North Melbourne to catch the Lions.

The top clubs also have more chance of gaining elite talent from trading and free agents. Players don’t enjoy playing for poorly performed clubs.

The system is screwed and it is only getting worse,

I will take the romance of father sons and more kids playing footy in qld and nsw over all this fairness bullshit

 

[WeeBlake]

Did you post similarly when Borlase was available to us under the same rules?

Borlase is also an absolute joke. Mellor this year the same.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I read the other day the AFL are losing $50 million a year on AFLW. How long can they keep this up?

I know they think thus is an investment, but surely there's a point they cant keep doing this.

In a worst case scenario, what happens?

Would they really care?..

It a tax write off.

How much do you think they earn a year in sponsorship, promo’s, advertising, tv rights etc etc..

You dont honestly think the league is going broke do you?

That $50m not only becomes a tax write off.. its money well spent as it encourages hundreds of thousands of young aussie girls into the sport as players and spectators.. young girls who drag their parents into the sport too if they arent already interested.
Why do you think half the tv ads showing young girls playing the game come from (not to sound racist) no so traditional Aussie looking backgrounds. Its awesome marketting, promotes multiculturalism and is great for securing the future of the game.

Win win.

 

[1970crow]

It’s not surprising that the highest concentration of “Elite” players are found in the top five draft picks.

An uncompromised draft would perfectly rebalance the premiership table over time. If you regularly finish in the top four then the odds of drafting an “Elite” player is very low.

The distortion of father/sons, academies etc can dramatically change the future of a club. Brisbane have picked up two of the best Kids in the draft (the Ashcrofts were considered top five draft pick in an open draft) in the last few years plus a very good player in Fletcher. Then you add in a few academy lads and they are set up for a long period of success. Picking up an “Elite” player with a father/son pick is pure luck but throw in the academies and it will take a long, long time for clubs like North Melbourne to catch the Lions.

The top clubs also have more chance of gaining elite talent from trading and free agents. Players don’t enjoy playing for poorly performed clubs.

The system is screwed and it is only getting worse,

Correcting the system wouldn’t “perfectly rebalance the premiership table over time”. There are far too many variables involved pre and post draft. It would barely loosely rebalance the premiership table.

I’m happy to wear a bit of inequality with father sons. I think it could do with a tighten up. Even just forcing clubs to retain their natural first rounder and kill the discount altogether might be enough. Academies and NGAs are the major problem. That we got the son of an SANFL champ purely because he was born in O/S is absurd. Unfortunately for us he’s only really a decent injury backup.

 

[1970crow]

How is anyone at the AFL paid above minimum wage? The reason state of origin went away was marquee players got injured during them massively adjusting the clubs chances of premiership success. Nothing has changed to alter this. What happens when WA pick Dan Curtin in their team and then he does an ACL? What will be Crows compensation, automatic equivalent pick in next year's draft? Extra salary cap space equivalent to his salary? Of course not. Of course none of this has been discussed. It's totally unforseeable that something like that would happen. FFS.

Let us pray none of our players are involved and even for other clubs players that are involved that there are no bad injuries.

Are they more likely to do an ACL in a SoO than they are playing 4 quarters at Mount barker in a sanctioned trial game?

 

[1970crow]

Would they really care?..

It a tax write off.

How much do you think they earn a year in sponsorship, promo’s, advertising, tv rights etc etc..

You dont honestly think the league is going broke do you?

That $50m not only becomes a tax write off.. its money well spent as it encourages hundreds of thousands of young aussie girls into the sport as players and spectators.. young girls who drag their parents into the sport too if they arent already interested.
Why do you think half the tv ads showing young girls playing the game come from (not to sound racist) no so traditional Aussie looking backgrounds. Its awesome marketting, promotes multiculturalism and is great for securing the future of the game.

Win win.

The AFL aren’t an income tax paying entity, they, and the clubs are exempt. Under the same rules as your local sports club. Wrong from the start old mate.

 

[AFC979810]

Are they more likely to do an ACL in a SoO than they are playing 4 quarters at Mount barker in a sanctioned trial game?

A trial game is part of the preparation for a season and is being managed by the club.

A state of origin has no benefit to our club and the only thing that can come out of it is an injury. Its a massive negative for the club.

 

[AFC979810]

It's a catch 22 situation. Womens footy would attract more fans and bring in more money if the talent were better. The money isn't there so neither is the talent.

Disagree here. The scope for improvement is extremely limited.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I see the league is in it's infancy and agree the quality isn't great. It's still the top women's football league of it's time. Hopefully it's around long enough to get better in the future.

All those really old Vic clubs still acknowledge their players and count their old flags from a time when mens football wasn't professional and the fitness/skill level was a fraction of what it is today. They're usually respected and not called pretend footballers.