Opinion Non-Crows AFL 9

[rabidcrow]

They were saying not he radio last night that Geelong told Port not to split their future 1st as they wouldn't accept 1 of the resulting picks. Port went ahead and did it anyway.

So to some degree they were framing Port as acting in bad faith

I get Geelong's position, that the Port pick isn't going to get them a player they want this year. The reality is that ER simply isn't worth a F1 (which could well be a pick 8-12 range) in what's shaping to be a deep draft.

At this point in time I'd be ok to see Geelong get SFA

You'd have to wonder if in hindsight they'd have been better off letting ER go last year? Though I can't remember what Port could've offered then though and can't be bothered looking it up

Was a low 30’s pick last year

Didn’t St Kilda or Freo do this a few years back? Club was pushing for their first rounder and they split it to get multiple deals done. Still all worked out from memory


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[Sanders]

Luke Ball style.

Yup

National draft picks are worth a lot more than psd

So teams are a lot more reluctant to spend on experienced players

Inconceivable that some would take him with a pick higher than 24 in the ND

 

[adelaidecrows]

Yup

National draft picks are worth a lot more than psd

So teams are a lot more reluctant to spend on experienced players

Inconceivable that some would take him with a pick higher than 24 in the ND

Depends on the depth of the draft though. Many people expecting this draft dies out in the 40s/50s. Port aren't planning to be in it anyway. So they may jump on rat with a pick in the draft.

 

[rabidcrow]

They do... but is anyone really stupid enough to think that they'd select Ratugolea, just to spite him & Port?

Has any player ever been redraft by their original club after going into a draft due to a failed trade?

I don’t reckon it’s ever happened?


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[rabidcrow]

I just don’t get why Port didn’t negotiate prior to trading their F1. It’s like they traded in the picks they think would get it done, and now Geel have said no, they’re up the creek. They could have gotten more than what they did if they held off…

What Port did was very good tactically. They have offered Geelong a fair deal and will walk him through the ND if the Cats don’t accept the offer. And they have a future second to use to help other deals.

Cats have done similar in the past to get multiple deals done

Port have 99% leverage on the deal and will get him. And BZT through the pre season draft if required


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[Sanders]

Has any player ever been redraft by their original club after going into a draft due to a failed trade?

I don’t reckon it’s ever happened?


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It has not.

 

[FR0GGY]

I just don’t get why Port didn’t negotiate prior to trading their F1. It’s like they traded in the picks they think would get it done, and now Geel have said no, they’re up the creek. They could have gotten more than what they did if they held off…

Didn’t geelong do that with us? Traded their first at one stage and we were forced to take their scraps.

 

[Sanders]

Didn’t geelong do that with us? Traded their first at one stage and we were forced to take their scraps.

Yes. They earmarked one of their firsts for Lachie Henderson so couldn’t give it to us for Dangerfield

What a complete F***ing loser David Noble was around the negotiating table

Bent over forwards to accommodate Geelong, on day 1, and then had the temerity to tell People to wait until the end of trade period to judge what else they did

Well Dave, you useless smear of toe fluff it’s been 8 years and your submissive negotiating tactics sucked big time

 

[jackster83]

Yes. They earmarked one of their firsts for Lachie Henderson so couldn’t give it to us for Dangerfield

What a complete F***ing loser David Noble was around the negotiating table

Bent over forwards to accommodate Geelong, on day 1, and then had the temerity to tell People to wait until the end of trade period to judge what else they did

Well Dave, you useless smear of toe fluff it’s been 8 years and your submissive negotiating tactics sucked big time

Paying massive overs for Hampton who wasn't even in the best 22 for a lowly GWS side was a real head scratcher also. Mad Dog Mackay was ten times the footballer he was.

 

[FR0GGY]

Yes. They earmarked one of their firsts for Lachie Henderson so couldn’t give it to us for Dangerfield

What a complete F***ing loser David Noble was around the negotiating table

Bent over forwards to accommodate Geelong, on day 1, and then had the temerity to tell People to wait until the end of trade period to judge what else they did

Well Dave, you useless smear of toe fluff it’s been 8 years and your submissive negotiating tactics sucked big time

Nice guys finish last or close to it.

 

[Sanders]

Nice guys finish last or close to it.

Noble wasn’t a nice guy he was just overconfident in his abilities having spent a week doing an executive education course

A week!

 

[FR0GGY]

Noble wasn’t a nice guy he was just overconfident in his abilities having spent a week doing an executive education course

A week!

We were nice because we didn’t tell them to go find another first.

 

[Sanders]

We were nice because we didn’t tell them to go find another first.

We were submissive, nice doesn’t cover it

We were a culinary wildebeest making a nice red wine sauce for the Lion to eat us with

 

[FR0GGY]

We were submissive, nice doesn’t cover it

We were a culinary wildebeest making a nice red wine sauce for the Lion to eat us with

But hey we did get dean gore, not all was lost!

 

[TRP1996]

Nice guys finish last or close to it.

Math checks out.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

I honestly can't believe the fuss over some like Rat.

 

[GROTTO]

I just don’t get why Port didn’t negotiate prior to trading their F1. It’s like they traded in the picks they think would get it done, and now Geel have said no, they’re up the creek. They could have gotten more than what they did if they held off…

I think its kinda beautiful that Port f**ked up this way, Port will be in a state of rebuild after the 2024 season and already behind the 8 ball in terms of draft picks.

Lets not forget, Ken could be sacked and it will result also them losing a player or two to Vic Clubs like a Butter or Lord.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think its funny that we're calling him Rat even though he doesn't have Atkin's rat like features.

 

[dogs105]

Depends on the depth of the draft though. Many people expecting this draft dies out in the 40s/50s. Port aren't planning to be in it anyway. So they may jump on rat with a pick in the draft.

It would be a first round pick. He's not a first round talent.

 

[Crow_68]

Will it? Won’t the picks disappear once bids are matched

Gold Coast only have one pick prior (24). All other matching picks are after Port’s 25.

 

[latinoheat]

Gold Coast only have one pick prior (24). All other matching picks are after Port’s 25.

Right you are !

 

[1970crow]

It is increasingly sounding like geelong told them that their F1 is what Rat is worth and is what geelong will be asking for..

not only that.. geelong told them this for weeks or possibly months in advance..

and the arrogant flog Chris Davies decided that the best course of action would then be to trade their F1 (which they did in a deal that was just horrible value for them) and then turn to geelong and say “sorry, F1 is now gone, you can have the 23 we got with it”.. thinking geelong would simply accept that.

its backfired massively..

suck sh*t to them. Port need to learn that not everyone is gonna put up with their scummy behaviour..

you realise we deployed the exact same tactic when offering up our firsts for pick 1 whilst negotiating with swans for Dawson.

 

[1970crow]

But hey we did get dean gore, not all was lost!

who Bicks rated quite highly.

 

[Mostyn]

I think the in list list should include all in’s

Sure.

Moreira did the first list, I typed the second one and I'm more lazy.

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[Bearded Clam]

you realise we deployed the exact same tactic when offering up our firsts for pick 1 whilst negotiating with swans for Dawson.

We were bluffing.. we knew north were never accepting our offer for pick 1..

Port didnt even bother to bluff… they just stubbornly went through with it on day 1, two hours into the trade period..