Oppo Camp Non Eagles Discussion Thread

[Suma Magic]

We play bombers in the last NAB Cup game.

Looking forward to pumping them.

 

[La Dolce Vita]

The AFL and Vic media still protecting and supporting Essendon to some degree is sickening. They have absolutely disgraced the AFL and Australian sport.
Players wages remain, top up players, no further penalties, future draft picks. There were even some suggesting Essendon should have access to other clubs rookie players.
What a joke !

The whole club should be deregistered for 12 months at least

 

[mick06]

Its actually sickening how sympathetic the afl are towards them in all this. Oh woe is essendon for the big bad cas for finding them guilty. The poor things its devastating. No whats devastating is the shit the bombers tried to pull in your competition and then cover all tracks and make it as hard as possible.

 

[bodazoka]

Wait till the end of the year when the AFL discusses giving them a PP

 

[ep2018]

I've seen heaps of people trying to deflect on FB by saying 'where was WADA when the Eagles were doing drugs' and 'well they better take Cousins' Brownlow away too."

 

[chunkylover]

Bombers board has been great reading today, so many melts. Some still refuse to blame Hird or the club for what's happened.

Reading that if Watson gets his Brownlow stripped they should also strip Cousins is also amusing. So many don't realise you need a game day positive test for a rec drug to be classified as a PED.

oh dont worry the head writer for melbournes leading paper and james hird cheerleader tried to compare the cousins situation to watsons when interviewing the head of the AFL on afl360. He was shouted down pretty much before he got the question out though.

 

[RookiePick]

Even if you just skim this report, I think you'd feel differently about the innocence of the players:
http://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Arbitral_Award_WADA_ESSENDON.pdf

"...no Player tested during the 2012 season revealed on his doping control form that he was in receipt of Thymosin injections" - 161. on page 39.

Their excuses for the non-disclosures were pathetic, like "you list the things that you feel you need to list"..."it was just something I didn't think to list". I am sorry but on what planet does anyone think sticking a needle in your arm as not something you should probably put down on your doping control form?

".. no Player made any enquiry of the nature or properties of the substance with which he was being injected" - 160. on page 39.

I'm not a professional athlete and I at least check out what I am taking even with pills, let alone injections. Especially when they know the consequences of even accidentally taking something they shouldn't. In isolation maybe you give them the benefit of the doubt that they just fully trusted the club's support staff, and I am sure this is true. But when you combine it with them not disclosing it when being tested, I find it very hard to believe they are completely innocent in all this.

"I don't recall who gave it to me, it was probably just sitting in a pile and I picked it up with the majority of other blokes" - Prismall

Seriously? This is common culture in professional sport? There is just a big pile of drugs, like a lolly jar, in the corner that players grab when they feel like it?

ASADA/WADA and the Court of Arbitration were spot on with their finding that if players didn't know they were doing the wrong thing then why did none of them indicate the injections on their control forms?

There is no doubt the culture at Essendon was the main cause and the instigator of the players making the poor choice to cheat. But just like falling in with the wrong crowd when you are younger and ending up involved in crime. You should still go to jail because you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Justice was done, the players should have learnt their lesson, and hopefully it should be a warning for other clubs and players that doping might give you short term benefits but more than likely bring you a world of long term pain.

My position on the players has hardened significantly upon reading the CAS report. Still feel a bit sorry for the youngest blokes as the peer pressure in that environment would be phenomenal but do the crime...do the time.

 

[royalsfan]

oh dont worry the head writer for melbournes leading paper and james hird cheerleader tried to compare the cousins situation to watsons when interviewing the head of the AFL on afl360. He was shouted down pretty much before he got the question out though.

I watched that interview to see just how long it would take for Robbo to bring Ben up. Gil treated the question with utter disdain.

 

[Matera92]

Seeing the AFL race to defend Essendon makes me even angrier over how we were hung, drawn and quartered over the Rec drugs incidents.

So obviously in collusion, makes the whole idea of AFL arbitration when it comes to these matters a farce when they have a vested interest in certain clubs performing.

Every year my interest in the sport grows less and less as it becomes more and more corrupt.

 

[mehow2g]

Seeing the AFL race to defend Essendon makes me even angrier over how we were hung, drawn and quartered over the Rec drugs incidents.

So obviously in collusion, makes the whole idea of AFL arbitration when it comes to these matters a farce when they have a vested interest in certain clubs performing.

Every year my interest in the sport grows less and less as it becomes more and more corrupt.

It's a bit different with us.

I'm sure the AFL knew about Ben long before the incidents they probably protected tbh.

But when you make your habits known to the public such as running from cops, you stain the AFL's image, the AFL used Ben as an example of what will happen if you put the game in a negative light.

At the end of the day, going by AFL's corruption history doping in this sport has probably been a standard for a very long time, if PEDs make the game more exciting and get injured players on the park quicker I'm sure they have turned a blind eye to PEDS heck a lot of ex players have high positions in the AFL I'm sure they have seen or used PEDs themselves... why do you think the rest of the competition has not complained once about playing against drug cheats ?

Since this saga the AFL have announced they are looking at stem cell research to improve player recovery, that's a bit of a coincidence too.

Right now the AFL and Essendon pr game is to make the public AND players feel sorry for its players. Why you ask? Because the players are going to sue, sue a club that makes the AFL A LOT of money.

 

[javaguice]

oh dont worry the head writer for melbournes leading paper and james hird cheerleader tried to compare the cousins situation to watsons when interviewing the head of the AFL on afl360. He was shouted down pretty much before he got the question out though.

Was hilarious - you could just feel everyone in unison going "STFU Robbo you fat slob"

Long bow to draw comparing on-going peptide use to cousins indulgent lifestyle.

 

[kane249]

I've seen heaps of people trying to deflect on FB by saying 'where was WADA when the Eagles were doing drugs' and 'well they better take Cousins' Brownlow away too."

Simple answer is WADA were still there keeping an eye on things.

Zero match day positive tests to rec drugs when it's the only time they are prohibited, case closed.

 

[javaguice]

On a different note - I read on a bombers thread about a 1998 Fremantle drug saga.....
Never heard about this before - does anyone know anything about it?

 

[SpaceClef]

We play bombers in the last NAB Cup game.

Looking forward to pumping them.

Full of thymosin?

 

[iLikeIt]

Full of thymosin?

Um... No danks!

 

[kane249]

On a different note - I read on a bombers thread about a 1998 Fremantle drug saga.....
Never heard about this before - does anyone know anything about it?

Only thing I can think of from roughly that time was Koops, but don't think it was 98?

 

[FatPizza]

Full of thymosin?

I Hird it was a Little amount.

 

[eagles rule]

i still remember Mark McVeigh bristling and denying everything when the Essendon drugs saga began .Silly little turd was full of shit .

 

[ep2018]

i still remember Mark McVeigh bristling and denying everything when the Essendon drugs saga began .Silly little turd was full of shit .

"We were being pumped full of vitamins"

 

[Valleyboy9]

The elephant in the room is the AFL letting the players off in the original report. Funny that they were so eager to throw us under the bus in 2007. I guess we're just expendable in this comp compared to a Vic team.

It was embarrassing listening to "Gillon" talk about how difficult it was for the players and Essendon and how the AFL will provide support to get Essendon back up.
That in itself tells you the level of interference and manipulation they had in this event. Unfortunately they lost control when it went out of Australia and into the hands of the big players in the world of sport.

 

[WaltzingMatera]

It sucks WC only play Essendon once (a thrashing here at Subi).

I haven't checked but wonder if any team plays both Carlton and Essendon twice.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Absolute Vacuum from Essendon supporters on Facebook for me... not a bloody peep from those all to happy to plaster "Not Guilty" pictures when the AFL tribunal handed down their decision.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

It sucks WC only play Essendon once (a thrashing here at Subi).

I haven't checked but wonder if any team plays both Carlton and Essendon twice.

I believe the Saints are the only one. Luckily Ess and Car play twice.... absolute cripple fight

Richmond and Geelong both get Essendon twice - in particular for the Tiges - massive win

 

[WaltzingMatera]

I believe the Saints are the only one. Luckily Ess and Car play twice.... absolute cripple fight

Richmond and Geelong both get Essendon twice - in particular for the Tiges - massive win

Ok thank you.

 

[kane249]

I believe the Saints are the only one. Luckily Ess and Car play twice.... absolute cripple fight

Richmond and Geelong both get Essendon twice - in particular for the Tiges - massive win

Yep will give the the chance to lose 2 finals in a row this year