Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[Chief]

Continued in Part 2:

Oppo Camp - Non-Eagles Discussion

Who gives a * about finals anyway So overrated It’s all about the draft these days

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[ZergMinion]

There was a list of their 'demands' a couple of weeks ago regarding what they wanted before they'd enter mediation.

There was far more than this.

Yes, but did it actually happen?

Fed-up Brisbane coach calls out two AFL journalists for ‘wrong’ reporting

In a lengthy statement, Chris Fagan has fired back at ‘patently unfair’ treatment that has been ‘defamatory’.

7news.com.au

“On May 5, 2023, an article authored by Mark Robinson was published on the Herald Sun website. Among other things, the article suggested that a lawyer for various complainants in the Hawthorn investigation, Leon Zwier, has put in place 18 demands of me, Alastair Clarkson and Jason Burt, as conditions of a potential mediation.

“No such ‘demands’ have ever been communicated to me or to my lawyers. It would be a matter of concern to me if the report concerning these demands is accurate, as my understanding is that it would be completely contrary to normal practice concerning mediation for a party, or his or her lawyer, to make demands of this kind as a condition of the mediation being held.”

I mean it might have, but I'd hardly call it a fact if we're in the business of giving people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[bzparkes]

They haven't been charged with anything, the presumption of innocence is not applicable.

Not in the court of public opinion:

‘Blood on their hands’: Angry Hawks great savages old club, reveals Clarko servo snub

‘Blood on their hands’: Angry Hawks great savages old club, reveals Clarko servo snub

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[briztoon]

Yes, but did it actually happen?

Did what happen?

Was there a list of demands.

Yes, as listed in the Herald Sun article.

Robbo appeared to be the “leaked to” media of choice for the complainants.

Did Fagan, etc receive them?

Doesn’t appear so. Throughout this whole process, the accused have received very little information, including what they have been specifically accused of. According to Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.

The original ABC article wasn’t a leaked copy of the Hawthorn report. Somehow the journalist heard about the Hawthorn investigation and then did his own investigation, and listed allegations from his own interviews in his article.

Fed-up Brisbane coach calls out two AFL journalists for ‘wrong’ reporting

In a lengthy statement, Chris Fagan has fired back at ‘patently unfair’ treatment that has been ‘defamatory’.

7news.com.au

I mean it might have, but I'd hardly call it a fact if we're in the business of giving people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Ochre]

Good to see people are guilty until proven innocent

Not in the court of public opinion:

Are you under impression the court of public opinion is a real court?

 

[Seadog]

It's possible that everyone is being honest. I've no doubt Clarkson, Fagan and Burt don't think they did anything wrong but were acting in the best interest of the young blokes footy careers. I also think some of the young blokes and their partners felt railroaded into making decisions that turned out to be quite traumatic for them and their families.

 

[ziad]

It's possible that everyone is being honest. I've no doubt Clarkson, Fagan and Burt don't think they did anything wrong but were acting in the best interest of the young blokes footy careers. I also think some of the young blokes and their partners felt railroaded into making decisions that turned out to be quite traumatic for them and their families.

thats how people work.

 

[bzparkes]

Are you under impression the court of public opinion is a real court?

It is when you have to take a leave of absence from your job because you can't deal with the harassment.

 

[Dazzler9]

It's possible that everyone is being honest. I've no doubt Clarkson, Fagan and Burt don't think they did anything wrong but were acting in the best interest of the young blokes footy careers. I also think some of the young blokes and their partners felt railroaded into making decisions that turned out to be quite traumatic for them and their families.

^^ This is where I've landed.

 

[ZergMinion]

Robbo appeared to be the “leaked to” media of choice for the complainants.

Does the complainants leaking the list of demands make any sense?

 

[bzparkes]

Does the complainants leaking the list of demands make any sense?

About as much sense as refusing to show the people you're accusing your actual accusations and demanding they apologise/give money before showing them.

Then there's the fact that the ABC journo gave Fagan and co. what, 24 hours for a response before releasing the story? Going public with it while the investigation was ongoing probably w2asn't the smartest thing.

Whole thing was botched from the start.

 

[ziad]

About as much sense as refusing to show the people you're accusing your actual accusations and demanding they apologise/give money before showing them.

Then there's the fact that the ABC journo gave Fagan and co. what, 24 hours for a response before releasing the story? Going public with it while the investigation was ongoing probably w2asn't the smartest thing.

Whole thing was botched from the start.

You are being generous

 

[footy_basis]

^^ This is where I've landed.

Ricky Nixon, after all he did, didn't seem to get the same response.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Alleged is a handy word.

 

[UseR2006]

Jason Burt has come out swinging pretty hard.

Former Hawthorn welfare manager drops bomb on racism saga

Sam Edmund has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

 

[DanWCE]

Jason Burt has come out swinging pretty hard.

Former Hawthorn welfare manager drops bomb on racism saga

Sam Edmund has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

BSD?

 

[Truckosaurus]

Are you under impression the court of public opinion is a real court?

Why else are there people named Judge?

 

[DanWCE]

I haven’t been following this super closely but from what I had read, as late as last week I don’t think the defendants had been provided the documents. Fagan does say very recently in his statement so I think it’s fair to say Clarkson probably didn’t have the documents prior to stepping down

Burt says the documents were provided last week.

 

[Dazzler9]

Jason Burt has come out swinging pretty hard.

Former Hawthorn welfare manager drops bomb on racism saga

Sam Edmund has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

Wait, let me get this straight.Some of the complainants were not even indigenous? So... this is an issue that some ex-players and their partners had with Hawthorn (Clarkson et al), some of whom were indigenous and some of whom weren't? So why is this being treated as racially motivated?

Have I got this right??

 

[ziad]

Wait, let me get this straight.Some of the complainants were not even indigenous? So... this is an issue that some ex-players and their partners had with Hawthorn (Clarkson et al), some of whom were indigenous and some of whom weren't? So why is this being treated as racially motivated?

Have I got this right??

The vibe in 2023

 

[DanWCE]

Wait, let me get this straight.Some of the complainants were not even indigenous? So... this is an issue that some ex-players and their partners had with Hawthorn (Clarkson et al), some of whom were indigenous and some of whom weren't? So why is this being treated as racially motivated?

Have I got this right??

It's taken a turn. Feels a little smear campaignery.. Which is not at all to discount the accusations because if someone told my wife to abort a baby I'd be ready to delete someone's account.

What a s**t show.

 

[ziad]

It's taken a turn. Feels a little smear campaignery.. Which is not at all to discount the accusations because if someone told my wife to abort a baby I'd be ready to delete someone's account.

What a s**t show.

The murkier it gets the less it seems we know and the messier the process appears. Hard to believe an 'investigation' would not start with interviewing all parties as a start.

 

[Ochre]

Why else are there people named Judge?

I believe he wants to go by J Reinhold now

 

[Dazzler9]

It's taken a turn. Feels a little smear campaignery.. Which is not at all to discount the accusations because if someone told my wife to abort a baby I'd be ready to delete someone's account.

What a s**t show.

So word on the street is that the non-Indigenous party has a parent who is a First Nations New Zealander. So a maori, which is technically 'First Nations'. FFS, this is a semantic w@nk at this point.

 

[Dazzler9]

Word on the street = Main board, by the way.

 

[DanWCE]

So word on the street is that the non-Indigenous party has a parent who is a First Nations New Zealander. So a maori, which is technically 'First Nations'. FFS, this is a semantic w@nk at this point.

Ahhhhh..

Despite the perceived racial undertones we were sold, if any of it's true it's pretty disgusting regardless. I don't think any more of Clarko if the things that were said were said to a white woman.

It's just getting so murky it feels like it's playing into the AFLs hands.