Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVII

[eth-dog]

I'm not convinced about Johnson for the Dees. Not only the missed goal but he doesn't look outstanding in any way.

I really really like Xavier Lindsay though

 

[doug85]

A few more results like these and Harley might agree to come home

 

[raskolnikov]

All-Queensland GF this year?

 

[EnolaGay]

Jarrod Witts with over 60 hit outs, yikes. I thought the Weags would be more competitive this year with the senior players they traded in....

 

[JayJ20]

I look at Gold Coast and Adelaide, then wonder why we are completely incapable of smashing teams.

 

[andleanback]

Personally I think that Port are not in the premiership window and the new era under a new coach will need a couple of gap years to turn a bit of the list over. 4 or the last 5 years they have finished top 4 after home and away and not gone on with it. Their next step is to actually reset and make a new era IMO. I think that if Port fail this year it will be more to do with them running their race with the current era of players. Five years is a good window to see if they could get it done.

It worked for Sydney as well with the hand off from Roos to Longmire.

For the past couple of years they’ve relied on their big 4 to win them games, there’s not much underneath. Now they’ve lost Houston and butters is out they just look like a bang average side

 

[andleanback]

Can’t remember a round one with that many smashings

 

[BomberFan355]

Can’t remember a round one with that many smashings

I was thinking the same, comp has never been more even...will see if things level out in the next few weeks.

 

[boncer34]

Can’t remember a round one with that many smashings

Depends where you want to set the line.

4 games with a 49+ margin. 2023
4 games with a 60+ margin. 2016

 

[andleanback]

Depends where you want to set the line.

4 games with a 49+ margin. 2023
4 games with a 60+ margin. 2016

4 game 70+ though that’s huge

 

[boncer34]

4 game 70+ though that’s huge

It would be when it happens.

 

[Stopher]

It felt more like it as games were blown wide open early, rather than the more typical 2nd half fadeout.

 

[BrunoV]

Pretty scary display from Geelong.

The production line just keeps churning out the highest quality replacements.

Neale is at least the structural equivalent of Hawkins even in their most recent premiership because of his improved mobility and capacity as a high marking player. He's obviously inferior in almost every other way at this stage but I don't see that as a big problem for the functioning of the side.

They've got 3 more players who are best 22 or depth who weren't there last season. O'Sullivan looks great. Knevitt is still just plugging holes at this stage but throws up a lazy 21 possession, 11 tackle game (and could still lose his spot next week) - he's growing into a complete meat axe, too, the sort of guy that Holmes and Smith play off in the middle. Obviously there is Smith.

Clarke and Mullin are not there yet but play more than not.

Danger chilling forward and being saved for the big matches is massive, too.

It would be a real problem for the competition if they could get Conway on the park. The rucks will otherwise always be that one weak link in the chain.

 

[Zach Package]

It felt more like it as games were blown wide open early, rather than the more typical 2nd half fadeout.

Having one intense, proper hit out in opening round is such a massive competitive advantage, you can just come out, smack the opposition in the mouth in the first 15 minutes and kill the game.

That probably also applies to the sides that have moreso used the praccy matches to sort out who plays where and potentially not ramp up the intensity all the way.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Pretty scary display from Geelong.

The production line just keeps churning out the highest quality replacements.

Neale is at least the structural equivalent of Hawkins even in their most recent premiership because of his improved mobility and capacity as a high marking player. He's obviously inferior in almost every other way at this stage but I don't see that as a big problem for the functioning of the side.

They've got 3 more players who are best 22 or depth who weren't there last season. O'Sullivan looks great. Knevitt is still just plugging holes at this stage but throws up a lazy 21 possession, 11 tackle game (and could still lose his spot next week) - he's growing into a complete meat axe, too, the sort of guy that Holmes and Smith play off in the middle. Obviously there is Smith.

Clarke and Mullin are not there yet but play more than not.

Danger chilling forward and being saved for the big matches is massive, too.

It would be a real problem for the competition if they could get Conway on the park. The rucks will otherwise always be that one weak link in the chain.

I don’t know I mean any team getting Danger and Cameron at their peak would get a big boost especially as they were already near top. That then allows them to keep attracting players

 

[fairbump_playon]

Dean cox doesn’t look that good of a match day coach imo

He's too tall. Miles away from the laptop and it takes him ages to pick up the phone to the bench.

 

[faible]

I don’t know I mean any team getting Danger and Cameron at their peak would get a big boost especially as they were already near top. That then allows them to keep attracting players

Geelong's drafting is kind of bizarre for a club that's remained successful and competitive for so long.

2009: 10 players for 578 total games, of which Mitch Duncan makes up 296 of them
2010: 9 for 442, Cam Gutherie 240 of those
2011: 9 for 636, 3 x 2nd rounders all a bit meh, but 271 from Blicavs and 171 from Bews.
2012: 3 for 62 games, none still playing
2014: 9 for 272 games, 198 from Kolodjashnij
2014: 7 for 88 games, none still playing
2015: 7 for 183 games, (117 from Menengola) none still at Geelong - Ryan Gardiner is at the Dogs
2016: 10 for 702 games, Stewart, Henry and Zach Guthrie
2017: 6 for 219 games, Miers 132 of them
2018: 7 for 169 games, Atkins 128 of them
2019: 7 for 214 games, De Koning 63 and Close 102
2020: 3 picks; Holmes and Shannon Neale still there
2021: 6 picks; Conway, Knevitt and Ollie Dempsey still there
2022: 5 picks; Jhye Clark still there
2023: 8 picks, 6 still on the list
2024: 7 picks

Of their first rounders since 2009 (which is the oldest draft an active player comes from)
2009: Menzel
2010: Smedts and Guthrie*
2012: Thurlow
2013: Lang
2014: Cockatoo
2018: Jordan Clark*
2019: Stephens, De Koning*
2020: Holmes*
2022: Clark*
2023: O'Sullivan*

12 players taken, 6 still active.

They've really not had an amazing set of first round drafting over the stretch. But their ability to pluck 2 - 3 players even couple of years later in the draft that play 200 or so games is impressive.

 

[BrunoV]

Geelong's drafting is kind of bizarre for a club that's remained successful and competitive for so long.

2009: 10 players for 578 total games, of which Mitch Duncan makes up 296 of them
2010: 9 for 442, Cam Gutherie 240 of those
2011: 9 for 636, 3 x 2nd rounders all a bit meh, but 271 from Blicavs and 171 from Bews.
2012: 3 for 62 games, none still playing
2014: 9 for 272 games, 198 from Kolodjashnij
2014: 7 for 88 games, none still playing
2015: 7 for 183 games, (117 from Menengola) none still at Geelong - Ryan Gardiner is at the Dogs
2016: 10 for 702 games, Stewart, Henry and Zach Guthrie
2017: 6 for 219 games, Miers 132 of them
2018: 7 for 169 games, Atkins 128 of them
2019: 7 for 214 games, De Koning 63 and Close 102
2020: 3 picks; Holmes and Shannon Neale still there
2021: 6 picks; Conway, Knevitt and Ollie Dempsey still there
2022: 5 picks; Jhye Clark still there
2023: 8 picks, 6 still on the list
2024: 7 picks

Of their first rounders since 2009 (which is the oldest draft an active player comes from)
2009: Menzel
2010: Smedts and Guthrie*
2012: Thurlow
2013: Lang
2014: Cockatoo
2018: Jordan Clark*
2019: Stephens, De Koning*
2020: Holmes*
2022: Clark*
2023: O'Sullivan*

12 players taken, 6 still active.

They've really not had an amazing set of first round drafting over the stretch. But their ability to pluck 2 - 3 players even couple of years later in the draft that play 200 or so games is impressive.

I'm not surprised that a relatively small number of players has been produced during the period. That makes sense to me because the time span covers the initial premiership dynasty and then the 2020 to 2022 run (including the build to it) when they had stacks of good players. There wouldn't be enough best 22 spots to have developed dozens of best 22 players even in a period of 14 years. My impression has always been that they get the replacement just as the veteran fades or a need arise and that it's been finding 2 or 3 players a year which is what has kept them in position.

Cases in point:

1. SDK arriving just as Taylor fades and then forcing his way into the side the season following Henderson's retirement;

2. Miers and Close both coming to prominence at the time that Geelong bites the bullet and accept that it's capacity to play front half footy isn't good enough (which also coincides with swapping Menzel for Rohan).

3. Neale being ready, at least to assume a place in the structure (i.e. last season), just as Hawkins' career is about to end. In his first season post-Hawkins he is already capable of being the number 1 forward who Cameron and every else can play off an around.

Their first round recruiting has always been hit and miss which is why I generally do not accept Wells' genius.

I am surprised by the extent of list turnover which has allowed for so many selections, particularly given that they have been trading in players and signing free agents. Brad Scott was talking the other day about turning over 20 list spots since he started...

 

[Old Campaigner]

Geelong's drafting is kind of bizarre for a club that's remained successful and competitive for so long.

2009: 10 players for 578 total games, of which Mitch Duncan makes up 296 of them
2010: 9 for 442, Cam Gutherie 240 of those
2011: 9 for 636, 3 x 2nd rounders all a bit meh, but 271 from Blicavs and 171 from Bews.
2012: 3 for 62 games, none still playing
2014: 9 for 272 games, 198 from Kolodjashnij
2014: 7 for 88 games, none still playing
2015: 7 for 183 games, (117 from Menengola) none still at Geelong - Ryan Gardiner is at the Dogs
2016: 10 for 702 games, Stewart, Henry and Zach Guthrie
2017: 6 for 219 games, Miers 132 of them
2018: 7 for 169 games, Atkins 128 of them
2019: 7 for 214 games, De Koning 63 and Close 102
2020: 3 picks; Holmes and Shannon Neale still there
2021: 6 picks; Conway, Knevitt and Ollie Dempsey still there
2022: 5 picks; Jhye Clark still there
2023: 8 picks, 6 still on the list
2024: 7 picks

Of their first rounders since 2009 (which is the oldest draft an active player comes from)
2009: Menzel
2010: Smedts and Guthrie*
2012: Thurlow
2013: Lang
2014: Cockatoo
2018: Jordan Clark*
2019: Stephens, De Koning*
2020: Holmes*
2022: Clark*
2023: O'Sullivan*

12 players taken, 6 still active.

They've really not had an amazing set of first round drafting over the stretch. But their ability to pluck 2 - 3 players even couple of years later in the draft that play 200 or so games is impressive.

A lot of their draftees seem to vanish off everyone’s radar upon arrival at Geelong and then emerge from their VFL side four years later as really good players

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Today is Patrick Cripps’ 30th birthday.

Let’s all celebrate Carlton wasting his prime.

It’s downhill from here.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

WTF!!??

 

[isthisit13]

WTF!!??

That would scare the absolute bejesus out of my kids.

 

[VelvetSledge]

WTF!!??

Can't help but feel it looks like a sentient Pinata.

 

[Zach Package]

I think they should give him a really thin moustache, a silk shirt and cuban heeled boots and call him 'Ramon'

 

[Old Campaigner]

I think they should give him a really thin moustache, a silk shirt and cuban heeled boots and call him 'Ramon'

Or sprinkle a bunch of MSG on him and call him Ramen