Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread X

[Falcon27]

Oh the deliciousness of her paying out on her own club.

Hardly paying out when you compare it to some of the other vile she spews out about any other club. FMD it is unbelievable that the assistants are the ones in the gun at the Tigers for their current situation. They must have really stuffed up the placement of the witches hats at training!

 

[Liberator]

Its going to be interesting to see how Crameri goes for the Dogs, if he makes it back in the team during the finals... Particularly given he was training with the others. Might give some advanced warning potentially as to where the others might be at in terms of fitness, sharpness, responsiveness to the speed of the game etc....

 

[quotemokc]

Which club would trade anything for Nick Suban?

 

[Mercurial89]

Which club would trade anything for Nick Suban?

Will end up at Hawks as part of the Hill deal maybe

 

[tesla1962]

Oh the deliciousness of her paying out on her own club.

As far as a Wilson article goes it seems pretty unique in its objectivity and balance - one written devoid of much emotion and free from a whole lot of overly emotional language, moral judgements and personal attacks

almost 'bloodless' if you like

 

[BrunoV]

Genuinely have to feel sorry for Damian Hardwick. It's like polishing a turd that is the Richmond FC.

When you have 'best 22' guys like Kane Lambert, Shaun Grigg, Taylor Hunt and even Shaun Hampson you know you're in a world of trouble.


Hardwick did well to get that rabble of a football club to the finals the last two years but as it always happens, other teams advance, some stagnate. Richmond has stagnated if not fallen away since 2015.


The one guy who has not gotten one scathing criticism in all of this is Francis Jackson. The last star quality player they drafted was Dustin Martin at pick 3 in 2009. In between we have seen a plethora of B - grade/vanilla foot soldiers come into that club. Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin, Jake Bachelor, Reece Conca, Sam Lloyd, Anthony Miles.

Nothing there screams winner. You look at our recruiting, and even last year, Aaron Francis screams winner. Zac Merrett two years prior, Joe Daniher (despite being always likely a Bombers) is a winner.


The sooner they accept the mediocrity that lies within the sooner they can move onwards and upwards. The idea of trading away some established stars for high picks is not a bad idea at all. When the Hawks traded away John Hay (for pick 18) and Nathan Lonie (pick 14 somehow), they reaped Grant Birchall and Max Bailey. In 2004 the Hawks ended up with picks 2 (Jarryd Roughead), 5 (Lance Franklin) and 7 (Jordan Lewis) on the back of trading away established players like Nathan Thompson and picks.

tl;dr?

Richmond need to tidy the joint up. Get rid of the people not performing and bring in a winning culture and the club can move out of it's mediocrity.

With respect, this is a very strange post.

Hardwick has had more than enough time to mould his own best 22. If he plays guys like Grigg that is on him. I struggle to see a scenario for the recruiting of mature aged players that is not primarily driven by the senior coach (at least seeking a type of player) and I doubt that he has been at odds with the rest of the club about the state of the list throughout the last 3 years (to suggest otherwise would mean that the football department is making decisions independently of the senior coach that the board re-signed for two years only months ago).

As for the recruits, Ellis is anything but vanilla, he is the complete opposite. His best is electrifying on the back of his powerful run but he is inconsistent.

Vlaustin is an inside midfield powerhouse, lauded as the toughest players of his draft, who is wasted at half back where he does not have the tools to impact a game as a rebounding defender. Hardwick had Dea at his disposal, and Dea was winning BnFs at VFL level for the Tigers. If he was sensible he'd have been using Dea as a safe, primarily defensively minded half back, and have released Vlaustin into the midfield so that he could throw his weight around to help Martin and protect Cotchin.

Conca is basically the same player that Heppell is, just an inferior version that has struggled with injury.

Lloyd kicks goals and Miles is an inside mid soldier needed to provide depth for the middle. How are they not recruiting successes based on what was invested?

The Hawthorn example is a bad one. Times have changed and Hawthorn was trading away players who were troubled by mental illness which was kept from North Melbourne as the destination club. In reality Hawthorn knew what it was trading was not worth what they were being offered (because the reason for their willingness to trade was not disclosed). It's not an example of pragmatism as much as it is opportunism (tinged with immorality). As for Lonie, shit, if someone comes knocking with pick 14 for Grigg even Richmond is not going to say no.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Further, even if you assume recruiting is a/the primary issue, how can you possibly advocate trading proven stars for high picks before the recruiting setup and strategy have been both thoroughly overhauled and given the time to demonstrate the hoped for improvements? To do the contrary is to be willfully negligent.

 

[Stopher]

Further, even if you assume recruiting is a/the primary issue, how can you possibly advocate trading proven stars for high picks before the recruiting setup and strategy have been both thoroughly overhauled and given the time to demonstrate the hoped for improvements? To do the contrary is to be willfully negligent.

In a similar way, it makes no sense to simply give Brisbane a priority pick to help them with their issues. Their recruiting has actually been pretty good in recent years, but what's the point in top-notch recruiting if you are lousy at retaining players?

 

[baz_machine]

Which club would trade anything for Nick Suban?

I'm sure greensbough could muster up some meat trays for him

 

[GUMBLETRON]

In a similar way, it makes no sense to simply give Brisbane a priority pick to help them with their issues. Their recruiting has actually been pretty good in recent years, but what's the point in top-notch recruiting if you are lousy at retaining players?

Agreed. And, given their current tack has been to ask the AFL for assistance in getting their facilities up to scratch, it seems they agree too.

 

[Yoda_]

With respect, this is a very strange post.

Hardwick has had more than enough time to mould his own best 22. If he plays guys like Grigg that is on him. I struggle to see a scenario for the recruiting of mature aged players that is not primarily driven by the senior coach (at least seeking a type of player) and I doubt that he has been at odds with the rest of the club about the state of the list throughout the last 3 years (to suggest otherwise would mean that the football department is making decisions independently of the senior coach that the board re-signed for two years only months ago).

As for the recruits, Ellis is anything but vanilla, he is the complete opposite. His best is electrifying on the back of his powerful run but he is inconsistent.

Vlaustin is an inside midfield powerhouse, lauded as the toughest players of his draft, who is wasted at half back where he does not have the tools to impact a game as a rebounding defender. Hardwick had Dea at his disposal, and Dea was winning BnFs at VFL level for the Tigers. If he was sensible he'd have been using Dea as a safe, primarily defensively minded half back, and have released Vlaustin into the midfield so that he could throw his weight around to help Martin and protect Cotchin.

Conca is basically the same player that Heppell is, just an inferior version that has struggled with injury.

Lloyd kicks goals and Miles is an inside mid soldier needed to provide depth for the middle. How are they not recruiting successes based on what was invested?

The Hawthorn example is a bad one. Times have changed and Hawthorn was trading away players who were troubled by mental illness which was kept from North Melbourne as the destination club. In reality Hawthorn knew what it was trading was not worth what they were being offered (because the reason for their willingness to trade was not disclosed). It's not an example of pragmatism as much as it is opportunism (tinged with immorality). As for Lonie, shit, if someone comes knocking with pick 14 for Grigg even Richmond is not going to say no.

All the players mentions have stagnated. None are game changers. Winners.

None of the guys would be in there top 5 from there draft year. What I'm getting at is they lack top end talent. The youngsters who looked most likely may struggle to live up to that pedigree they showed at junior level.

As forwho is in control of list management, we all know who the real puppet master is at Essendon and it sure as hell ain't the coach. Expect it to be the same the league over

 

[Lord Nicholson]

All the players mentions have stagnated. None are game changers. Winners.

None of the guys would be in there top 5 from there draft year. What I'm getting at is they lack top end talent. The youngsters who looked most likely may struggle to live up to that pedigree they showed at junior level.

As forwho is in control of list management, we all know who the real puppet master is at Essendon and it sure as hell ain't the coach. Expect it to be the same the league over

I fear that in your world people would coach in perpetuity after appointment, but if in this reality Ken Judge was senior coach of Hawthorn until his unfortunate and premature demise, I'm all for it

 

[Old Campaigner]

What's with the bloodless coup? I want Punt Road to run red. Surely she does as well for all the juicy articles?

None of them have any ticker so there's not going to be any blood.

Oh the deliciousness of her paying out on her own club that her old man ran into the ground

efa

edit: she's at it again

Richmond board aspirant Joe Russo has close ties to underworld associate John Khoury, the business partner of Mick Gatto.

Property developer Mr Russo, who has now moved to join forces with a group of prominent and disenchanted Tiger supporters, is understood to have used Mr Khoury to settle building industry disputes.

 

[Falcon27]

None of them have any ticker so there's not going to be any blood.

efa

edit: she's at it again

That is just Caro down to a tee. Someone that she clearly sees as a threat to her propoganda, or agenda, and digs up whatever sh!t she likes and uses her media platform to spew it out.

 

[Phone]

wait wouldnt you just be saying the same thing if they hadnt reported it?

 

[Zach Package]

North Melbourne star Brent Harvey is set to break the all time VFL/AFL games record this weekend.

Harvey will run out for his 428th AFL match on Saturday night against theWestern Bulldogs, shattering the AFL games record set last week byNorth Melbourne’s Brent Harvey.

The notoriously media shy Harvey hasn’t let the occasion get the better of him, not allowing the club, or the league make too much of a fuss of the occasion.

Unlike Brent Harvey’s now defunct record breaking 427th game last weekend, where the football fraternity was subjected to a repulsive amount of articles surrounding the occasion, along with a release of an autobiography and commemorative memorabilia, record breaker Brent Harvey wants this weekend to be about the result of the match.

“Brent didn’t like the way Brent handled the occasion last week. It all just felt a bit selfish,” a source close to Harvey told The Greenfield Post.

“North Melbourne doesn’t usually like to make a fuss about milestone games, and that marries up to Brent’s unselfish nature.”

Remarkably, Brent Harvey’s record breaking game this weekend is set to be crushed again next weekend by North Melbourne star Brent Harvey.

http://www.thegreenfieldpost.com.au...y-set-to-break-afl-games-record-this-weekend/

 

[Beerfish]

http://www.thegreenfieldpost.com.au...y-set-to-break-afl-games-record-this-weekend/

There was a very similar thread on the MB earlier this week that got moved to the Bay for some reason.

 

[Zach Package]

There was a very similar thread on the MB earlier this week that got moved to the Bay for some reason.

Can't imagine why

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Ain't there a pen that will write before they die?

• Debutants can happen at all times
• Featuring Eric Hipwood! And Alf! And much much more.
• Routine chest mark is greatest of all time
• Oh my god the Treloar thing is such a classic except it's really not
• And then the James Kelly becomes the grass, and the antelope eat the grass, etc.
• Fremantle are worse now than they were before
• D-d-d-danger lurks behind you; there's a stranger out to find you; what to do, just grab on to some DUCKTALES, WOO-OO! Every day they're out there making DuckTales, WOO-OO! Tales of derring do bad and good DuckTales, WOO-OO! Not pony tails or cotton tails no DuckTales, WOO-OO!*
• Ch-ch-ch-chip Le Grand, rescue ranger! A player winning the Coleman Medal is a good thing
• Sometimes it is surprising that there are people who turn out to be good players
• Free agency has been a marvelous thing of course
• Goodwin should take over the senior role now but he shouldn't
• Waite is a dubious prospect
• Sometimes players are just crap
• Oh-ee-yeah (Tale Spin) Oh-ee-yoh (Tale Spin) All the trouble we get in with another Tale Spin
• It would be prudent of course for the St Kilda Football Club to bring on board a known cabbie basher
• "What is this, Tinker Tailor Soldier campaigner?"
• West Coast are a dubious prospect
• Morris is a top bloke
• Mum I'm booooooooored

*Yes, that needed to be seen through to its full conclusion

 

[DapperDon]

There was a very similar thread on the MB earlier this week that got moved to the Bay for some reason.

We all know the only threads allowed on the main board are various peoples Top 5's and Hawthorn are awesome threads.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Who do I want to win tonight Pies or Tigers hmmmm.

 

[gillon]

This is beautiful.

 

[Matthew_Lloyd]

We could be in for another Richmond coach-killer special tonight. Collingwood hammering them

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

We could be in for another Richmond coach-killer special tonight. Collingwood hammering them

We will spank the Tigers next year.

 

[scanlon]

how do richmond supporters still even exist