How are we ever going to win this trade? Carlisle will play the best part of 150 games for St Kilda and Gresham will play 200 games.
We got one player out of the deal as Bird was just salary cap relief for Sydney (as
fodzilla said in another thread).
Where is the debate? People confuse Baines being an opportunistic prick, and what is really just the usual bluster during a negotiation, with Baines being defeated in that deal. Baines walked all over us in that deal because he was prepared to be a prick.
The best thing that we can say, which poster rarely do, is that Carlisle is a mental midget and not a great guy to have around the club but that does not go as far as him being a disruptive influence (at least as far as I am aware).