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jmoo wan

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Say you catch covid and are vaccinated and it doesn't do much to you, but then next year you get it again (you have had you're booster shot) but are perhaps a bit more sick from a variant that stronger, then the following year you get a mild case...and so on. What happens after we have had it 10 times. We will be allowing it to come, and allowing us to get it multiple times. Will there be some sort of damage to our bodies that will eventually catch up with us and make really sick.
No. The immune system doesn't work like that. Think of it like memories. For example - imagine yesterday you ate a really tasty looking jelly bean that was flavoured like a piece of dog sh*t and you ate it and thought, "this is really gross I am never doing that again". But then next year you see a piece of dog sh*t that looks delicious but that smells really similar to that jelly bean, and you take a really big sniff of it and it makes you a little woozy, but you remember that jelly bean flavoured dog sh*t that you ate last year, and decide not to eat it because it was nasty. And then the year after that, you come across another similar piece of dog sh*t that looks really tasty, but maybe this one is a different consistency, and so you have a little nibble, but then before you can go any further it triggers the memory of that dogshit flavoured jelly bean that you really didn't like, and you remember that it is a bad idea so you run away from that particular strain of dogshit.

its just like that.

The jelly bean is the vaccine, and covid is the dogshit.
 

Lore

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This is actually similar to something discussed in the video I linked.

If you get coughed on by someone and get sick that night, you're probably going to think "ah that person coughed on me today, I bet it was them", but in reality it was caused by someone coughing on you two weeks ago and it's only now that it's developed into making you sick. You just don't remember that incident because it was ages ago and nothing happened immediately, so there was no reason to make note of it.
Haven't had a chance to watch it but yeah, people are good at putting two and two together and coming out with eleventy. Good at finding patterns in randomness.

A trait that probably saved more than a few lives when eating a poisonous plant a few hundred thousand years ago, getting sick and deciding not to do it again. Humans have more in common with Pavlov's dogs than we'd like to admit.

Less helpful now that we're dealing with delayed effects though.
 

Mercurial89

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People who are hesitant for reasons like what Pweter enunciated above or who don’t love mandates aren’t idiots.

People who actually seriously tout conspiratorial level garbage about the vaccines are definitely idiots and no, time should not be wasted giving their views any air or currency.
The batshit crazy ones are so few though, they mainly hide and push vaccine hesitant people to speak up.

I think what this whole debacle of a pandemic has shown is a really good insight into society across so many levels.

- people are largely uneducated on health. Nice place to start with pushing this education in schools and general life. Bring that general knowledge up.

-media shitstorms have consequences. Poor reporting, or just daily news cycle warps reality and results in a perfectly reasonable vaccine being largely unwanted by vast majority of people. Maybe some responsibility lay at "media" feet.

- pandemics highlight class gaps in our society. All well and good white collar office workers crowing just stay home when poorer people are unable to work from home. Not enough financial support? Of course some wouldn't heed due to not wanting to listen anyway but others generally felt they couldn't not work.

- the government, or trust in authority is low, and probably only getting lower.
If the message being delivered from the start on the how, the why, the what was from respected figures and people of knowledge then maybe we wouldn't have the whole vaccine mandate response. As has been said, people many aren't against vaccines, but you tell them they have to get one they have a cause to fight for. Count my mother as one of these people who I have finally gotten through too and she has been vaccinated.
Lessons for future on how governments and officials act and how much trust they actually have from the people.
 

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Doss

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The batshit crazy ones are so few though, they mainly hide and push vaccine hesitant people to speak up.

I think what this whole debacle of a pandemic has shown is a really good insight into society across so many levels.

- people are largely uneducated on health. Nice place to start with pushing this education in schools and general life. Bring that general knowledge up.

-media shitstorms have consequences. Poor reporting, or just daily news cycle warps reality and results in a perfectly reasonable vaccine being largely unwanted by vast majority of people. Maybe some responsibility lay at "media" feet.

- pandemics highlight class gaps in our society. All well and good white collar office workers crowing just stay home when poorer people are unable to work from home. Not enough financial support? Of course some wouldn't heed due to not wanting to listen anyway but others generally felt they couldn't not work.

- the government, or trust in authority is low, and probably only getting lower.
If the message being delivered from the start on the how, the why, the what was from respected figures and people of knowledge then maybe we wouldn't have the whole vaccine mandate response. As has been said, people many aren't against vaccines, but you tell them they have to get one they have a cause to fight for. Count my mother as one of these people who I have finally gotten through too and she has been vaccinated.
Lessons for future on how governments and officials act and how much trust they actually have from the people.
Don’t get me started on the media regarding their culpability in torpedoing Astra Zeneca.
 

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