Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2020 Pt 2

[PzBlinky]

Can't wait for all the media coverage on how the players skills have gotten worse when they're just fatigued because they get less rest on the bench.

Or when teams start recruiting athletes and runners en masse. For every Blicavs-like success, you're gonna have 10 flops.

 

[Down at K Park]

The rotation cap is absurd. They just want more fatigued players running around risking injury.

How does having fatigued players help scoring? All it does is result in slower play, and guys missing more shots cause they are exhausted.

I like the player on the mark not being allowed to move. Or will the tuggers get away with encroaching on the mark still?

 

[allrighty]

Can't wait for all the media coverage on how the players skills have gotten worse when they're just fatigued because they get less rest on the bench.

I see a wonderful example of unintended consequences from this latest manipulation.

Memo AFL: leave the game alone, let the coaches and players evolve it, as they will. The more you tinker the more you cause ripples in that evolution, and that ain't always a good thang.

 

[thecatattack]

How does having fatigued players help scoring? All it does is result in slower play, and guys missing more shots cause they are exhausted.

I'm not sure. It's an absurd concept to me. It'll just result in lower skill and more stoppages imo.

 

[GeelongFTW]

i wouldve had unlimited interchanges tbh.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Great. More athletes doing circle work instead of footy players getting games because of less rest.
Wonder why it's a crap spectacle?
Dickheads

 

[STPer18]

Wonder if the brains in charge have come to the realisation yet that there's a direct correlation with the game becoming more stale and them fudging with the rules every season.

 

[winty]

So they're reducing interchange rotations, which could lead to more fatigue-related injuries and at the same time they're reducing list sizes which will make it harder to cover more injuries? Makes sense - not.

 

[Down at K Park]

The vic government rejected the hawks dingley upgrade. Lol.

 

[Cataholic]

Wonder if the brains in charge have come to the realisation yet that there's a direct correlation with the game becoming more stale and them fudging with the rules every season.

Hocking clearly isn't a very smart cat.

 

[Cataholic]

I'm not sure. It's an absurd concept to me. It'll just result in lower skill and more stoppages imo.

Yep, they'll be like exhausted boxers clinging to each other......anything to slow it down.

It's going to become an even crappier spectacle. Sigh.

 

[cats_09]

The vic government rejected the hawks dingley upgrade. Lol.

And Kennett isn't happy, saying that they only missed out due to him being vocal and anti Andrews

 

[JohnZ]

What happened in the 90s? I know the VFL/AFL has always tinkered with the rules, but it seems in the past 30 years it's become a revolving door. The worst part is they never seem to revert the rules that don't work (sub rule being about the only one), instead they tack on more rule changes to fix the rule changes that broke the game in the first place....

rant over

 

[winty]

And Kennett isn't happy, saying that they only missed out due to him being vocal and anti Andrews

Speaking of Jeffrey, maybe he should use a spell checker if he's going to use big words in an attempt to make himself look intelligent...

 

[thecatattack]

It won't be a sad day when people like Kennett and Murdoch kick the bucket.

 

[Spearman]

Well lets explore the reasoning here...less interchanges, more tired players...game slows down, coaches adapt by keeping possession,....[hope]more adaptation toward one on one marking contests, getting players with 1v1 and/or precision kicking skills... OR [nightmare] the game evolves to look like basketball's four corners

 

[My Tilly]

What happened in the 90s? I know the VFL/AFL has always tinkered with the rules, but it seems in the past 30 years it's become a revolving door. The worst part is they never seem to revert the rules that don't work (sub rule being about the only one), instead they tack on more rule changes to fix the rule changes that broke the game in the first place....

rant over

It appears the complexity of defensive minded coaching worried the bosses at AFL head office in the late 90's - early 00's. Up until that particular moment in time, flooding tactics were not really implemented so the game was constantly free flowing which is why we had so many blow out wins every weekend.
Once the game became defensive orientated, thanks to Terry Wallace, Paul Roos and Ross Lyon, we began seeing rule changes made every year. It was Terry Wallace who originally manipulated the rushed behind ruling interpretation. We then saw it taken a step further by Alastair Clarkson in the infamous 2008 grand final.

It's due to some of these ex players who have strategically tried to exploit the rule book for the betterment of their team. The AFL don't want to see a slow paced sport. Nowadays, every coach in the league is preoccupied with defense over offense. They believe it gives you higher % of winning games. One day, and it won't be too far away, a team is going to be purely focused on offensive minded tactics. They will have a team that is solely based around attacking players and they are going to be running over everyone just as Geelong did in 2007 and Essendon did in 2000.

And also, it cannot be overlooked what the head concussion has had on the game. The legality of it all has completely shifted the spectrum. Player welfare is at an all time high.

 

[Spearman]

What I don't understand is why they don't 'trial' the more strict adherence to the existing rules scenario. IE force the spread by calling more frees for illegal disposal etc.
I'm sure there will be cries for 'too many frees' 'not free flowing'. I ask, how many fricking ball ups are there now? Change most of them into free kicks and you'd think there's be more players spread out than now.
IMO

 

[Down at K Park]

And Kennett isn't happy, saying that they only missed out due to him being vocal and anti Andrews

Which makes it even funnier, if they missed out cause of his big mouth.

 

[dazbroncos]

And making rule changes after the Covid effected season too - its not like we just had 90 rotations and 20 min 1/4s in 2020.

And this whole zoning crap in the lower leagues can get in the bin too.

Just stop FFS.

Go Catters

 

[Spazz Cat]

And Kennett isn't happy, saying that they only missed out due to him being vocal and anti Andrews

Maybe cause they bought Waverly for 1$.
The scammed Tassie.
Then rort some of societies most vulnerable with tons of pokies.
Maybe it's cause of that?

 

[goyoucatters]

Overreaction to some measured changes for mine, at least to those being adopted at AFL level.

Reducing interchange rotations again is long overdue for mine. If you make it harder for players to just run and congest incessantly, I believe you'll get more one-on-ones that will definitely improve the spectacle.

And the debacle of what's been going on with how people 'man the mark' simply had to be addressed. You're on the mark? Good. Stand still, put your hands in the air, and keep every other player the hell out of the area. And the rule for opening up more of the field from kick-ins (given the insane intricacy of how teams 'zone' to defend now also makes perfect sense to me.

Everyone now has to wait to see what the changes produce, of course. But I'll be surprised if we don't see a better spectacle and more genuine contests between opponents, hopefully alleviating some of the torpor associated with the interminable rolling maul of recent years.

After all, I would have thought the evidence of how awful footy has looked in recent times hardly gives objective cause for fans of the game to roll out the well-worn 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' axiom. Footy often looks appalling at the moment, so genuine attempts to deal with some of the reasons for this are absolutely fine with me.

Never fear, anyway. Coaches will now be primed to put the game 'back in the box' as quickly as possible, and will be working on tactics already to nullify the hope of any real footy breaking out on the field next year. It's what modern footy is all about these days.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

A typical over-reaction from the Kings of the knee jerk reaction.
No other sport I follow has so many rule changes every single ******* year.
Almost every single time they do something for a specific outcome, the opposite happens.
Leave the goddamn game alone for 5 minutes.

 

[STPer18]

Removing third-man up was the strangest thing the AFL have done when they are so hellbent on opening the play up. One less midfielder competing on the ground at the stoppage, ball likely to get thumped over the congestion as well.

Blicavs has a lot to answer for.

 

[Kitcat]

Removing third-man up was the strangest thing the AFL have done when they are so hellbent on opening the play up. One less midfielder competing on the ground at the stoppage, ball likely to get thumped over the congestion as well.

Blicavs has a lot to answer for.

It preserved the role of the traditional tall specialist ruckman which I think is a great part of the game.