Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2023, part I

[Strange Cat]

No one is beating The Pies at the G unfortunately, playing an awesome brand of footy.


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It’s a long year and there are no absolutes in football

 

[Gunf]

It’s a long year and there are no absolutes in football

I remember how everyone thought Coll were unstoppable in 2011 and yet, also Geelong 2008, Melb last year after round 10 etc

 

[catempire]

Not ideal but surely Xavier has to know there’s only one man on the mark.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I remember how everyone thought Coll were unstoppable in 2011 and yet, also Geelong 2008, Melb last year after round 10 etc

True, but there have been times when teams considered unstoppable at round 10 went on to win the flag that year too. It's a long season, and a lot has to go right for any club to win a flag. The Pies are in as good a place as anyone to do just that. But we'll wait and see what happens.

 

[cats_09]

Not ideal but surely Xavier has to know there’s only one man on the mark.

Unless he's switched off to it as he thinks the umpire is talking to someone else

It's a good example for why umpires should maybe just stick to calling out a player's number in those situations

 

[FredLeDeux]

Unless he's switched off to it as he thinks the umpire is talking to someone else

It's a good example for why umpires should maybe just stick to calling out a player's number in those situations

For someone as dumb as Xavier, that still gives him a 1 in 2 chance of getting it wrong

 

[Gunf]

True, but there have been times when teams considered unstoppable at round 10 went on to win the flag that year too. It's a long season, and a lot has to go right for any club to win a flag. The Pies are in as good a place as anyone to do just that. But we'll wait and see what happens.

I am not saying they don't deserve to be favourites right now because they do but history has proven many times favourites at the half way or so don't always win and in more cases don't.

 

[Hamingja]

Unless he's switched off to it as he thinks the umpire is talking to someone else

It's a good example for why umpires should maybe just stick to calling out a player's number in those situations

Surprised it doesn't happen more often, particularly with the bottom teams who just throw random young players into sides at will.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Collingwood are very well placed 9-1 and yet to play the 3 shocking teams at the bottom

However i didnt think their 2nd half against Carlton was flash at all

 

[Jumping Jack]

Collingwood are as well placed as any team in recent years ...... that includes Melbourne who got off to a flyer last year. There's a lot to like about the way they play, and everyone on that team just seems to have bought in 100% to what they're doing. A terrible run with injuries to key players is all I can see getting in their way. Well coached - some very good players across most lines - and their form over the last year and a half of football is outstanding.

Geelong at their best is about their biggest barrier on the way to a flag. But Geelong getting somewhere near their best seems a long way off right now.

It's Collingwood's to lose, and I suspect I'll be saying a similar thing heading into finals.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I am not saying they don't deserve to be favourites right now because they do but history has proven many times favourites at the half way or so don't always win and in more cases don't.

But (as I said) in some cases do. So anything right now is just speculation. How about we just wait and see how it all plays out.

 

[BotsMaster]

Here are the teams that have started 10-1 or better in recent times.

Melbourne 2022.
Melbourne 2021 (premiers).
Geelong 2019.
West Coast 2018 (premiers).
North Melbourne 2016.
Fremantle 2015.
Port Adelaide 2014.
Hawthorn 2013 (premiers).
Geelong 2013.
Geelong 2011 (premiers).
Collingwood 2011 (GF).

Actually there are more teams that didn't make the GF than did make it after having a blistering start.

Curious to see the back half of the season stats.

 

[cats_09]

Sounds like the kiss of death - how many rounds until Voss is gone:

 

[goyoucatters]

Sounds like the kiss of death - how many rounds until Voss is gone:

Amazing to put this out there, given the trajectory they are on right now. Many of their fans are going to absolutely explode if they blunder through the rest of this year, and then everyone's expected to just saddle up for another season under Vossy's direction in 2024.

It's not just their footy that is all over the place at the moment. The public messaging by virtually everyone you hear from is naive at best and downright silly at worst.

Surely you simply say, 'We remain firmly behind the coach and feel very confident that the team will turn this around.' Anything more than that was always very likely to become a millstone.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

Amazing to put this out there, given the trajectory they are on right now. Many of their fans are going to absolutely explode if they blunder through the rest of this year, and then everyone's expected to just saddle up for another season under Vossy's direction in 2024.

It's not just their footy that is all over the place at the moment. The public messaging by virtually everyone you hear from is naive at best and downright silly at worst.

Surely you simply say, 'We remain firmly behind the coach and feel very confident that the team will turn this around.' Anything more than that was always very likely to become a millstone.

Well hey at least he is being #forthright

 

[goyoucatters]

Well hey at least he is being #forthright

Well played.

Although I'm entirely unsure whether that is actually true. If they finish twelfth this year (or start next season 2-4), does anyone really believe he'll still be the Carlton coach going into Round 24 of 2024?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Holy crap the blues are already at the "board backs the coach" stage of sacking Voss. Unbelievable

 

[PzBlinky]

Holy crap the blues are already at the "board backs the coach" stage of sacking Voss. Unbelievable

Not surprising - they've had a lot of practice over the last decade so it makes sense they're more efficient. But hey, at least this is one area they've managed to improve on!

 

[Strange Cat]

I wonder how many weeks Hawkins would had got if he did what Daicos did

 

[StonedCat]

I wonder how many weeks Hawkins would had got if he did what Daicos did

It would've been classed as criminal assault and they would be baying for jail time.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

A Carlton Fan getting a little riled up LOL.

 

[standupand]

Curious to see the back half of the season stats.

Last 11 h&a games for each of those fast-start teams (and finals result in brackets).

Melb '22 - 6-5 (straight sets)
Melb '21 - 7-3-1 (flag)
Geel '19 - 6-5 (prelim)
WC '18 - 6-5 (flag)
NM '16 - 2-9 (loss w1)
Frem '15 - 7-4 (prelim)
Port '14 - 4-7 (prelim)
Haw '13 - 9-2 (flag)
Geel '13 - 8-3 (prelim)
Geel '11 - 8-3 (flag)
Coll '11 - 10-1 (runner up)

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Hardwick to quit Richmond in bombshell coaching call

Triple premiership Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has decided to quit the club.

With 36 games remaining on his contract, it’s understood Hardwick will speak publicly as early as Tuesday to confirm his decision.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Amazing to put this out there, given the trajectory they are on right now. Many of their fans are going to absolutely explode if they blunder through the rest of this year, and then everyone's expected to just saddle up for another season under Vossy's direction in 2024.

It's not just their footy that is all over the place at the moment. The public messaging by virtually everyone you hear from is naive at best and downright silly at worst.

Surely you simply say, 'We remain firmly behind the coach and feel very confident that the team will turn this around.' Anything more than that was always very likely to become a millstone.

To be honest, it's just a loaded question from a journo

 

[winty]

Interesting if true.