Non-Lions discussion 2023

[M Malice]

Would have been a handy draft to have a couple of selections in the 5 to 20 range > Connor Rozee

1

Connor Rozee

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

189.2

3star

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

189.2

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

3.4

5star

(5), Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

(6), Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

(7), Zac Butters(12), Xavier Duursma

28

Xavier Duursma

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.5

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

8.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.1

4star

CL

1.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.3

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

16.8

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

8.4

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

1.6

4star

(18). Who would you have preferred Lachie or 2 of those? Still very happy with Lachie, would we have gone on to play finals in 2019 without him... probably not.

Port absolutely nailed that draft.

 

[pulpdriver]

Would have been a handy draft to have a couple of selections in the 5 to 20 range > Connor Rozee(5), Ben King(6), Bailey Smith(7), Zac Butters(12), Xavier Duursma(18). Who would you have preferred Lachie or 2 of those? Still very happy with Lachie, would we have gone on to play finals in 2019 without him... probably not.

Port absolutely nailed that draft.

From memory the talk on here was Caldwell and Duursma were the guys we liked around our original picks. Duursma would be a handy on the wing and Caldwell would be upgrade on Dev in list terms though if we played Dev more and actually on ball when we did he might be able to offer a somewhat similar impact. The quality of that 2018 draft really plummets off sharply after Quaynor. Some solid players but if given the chance I take our Brownlow medallist and captain over the two picks.

 

[McIvor]

I think it was the right call at the time, we had 3 key players that you would of for all expectations been out starting midfield by now of Rayner, McCluggage and Berry. Which you would of bet on being a deadly midfield trio at the same level as Petracca / Oliver / Viney.

It hasn't really panned out that way unfortunately. Maybe it still can.

I was reading your post and thought what you wrote in your last paragraph which you nailed.

Being honest, really only McCluggage could be considered in that Petracca, Oliver or Viney list and even then he’d be fourth on that list and Rayner / Berry disappointingly aren’t close despite projecting at times otherwise. Of course Rayner / Berry could turn their form to being top liners of the comp but I think even then, that’s unlikely with what we’ve seen.

From what I’ve read of these 3 Academy kids for the Suns, they’re going to be a hell of a team and if they do what we did and cherry pick some A-grade free agents, they’ll achieve far more than what we will likely achieve particularly with a coach as accomplished as what they’re going to get, which we never have had, we’ll not since Lethal anyway.

 

[McIvor]

Would have been a handy draft to have a couple of selections in the 5 to 20 range > Connor Rozee(5), Ben King(6), Bailey Smith(7), Zac Butters(12), Xavier Duursma(18). Who would you have preferred Lachie or 2 of those? Still very happy with Lachie, would we have gone on to play finals in 2019 without him... probably not.

Port absolutely nailed that draft.

It’s exciting to think if we did get two on that list but we could also have gotten none or one or both could have left already. Pretty cool to have a Lion win a Brownlow though, should’ve been two.

 

[dlanod]

From memory the talk on here was Caldwell and Duursma were the guys we liked around our original picks. Duursma would be a handy on the wing and Caldwell would be upgrade on Dev in list terms though if we played Dev more and actually on ball when we did he might be able to offer a somewhat similar impact. The quality of that 2018 draft really plummets off sharply after Quaynor. Some solid players but if given the chance I take our Brownlow medallist and captain over the two picks.

Given Caldwell has already walked after being drafted interstate I think you should be looking who got drafted with the replacement pick. :/

 

[pulpdriver]

Given Caldwell has already walked after being drafted interstate I think you should be looking who got drafted with the replacement pick. :/

Touche.

 

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[captainrich]

If we have learned anything over the years it's that you take the player when he chooses your club rather than delaying for 12 months as things often change. Neale may not have wanted to come to us 12 months later.

 

[martinson]

If we have learned anything over the years it's that you take the player when he chooses your club rather than delaying for 12 months as things often change. Neale may not have wanted to come to us 12 months later.

Lachie's been clearly the best player at our club since our golden years, played nearly every game and been consistently good ,sometimes exceptional.

To even suggest we should've done other than get hold of him when we did on some pie in the sky at the time is just not clear thinking.

 

[Warwick]

It’s infuriating to see North fans request priority picks because of two main arguments: they are shit and they’ve never had one before.

I’ll admit I’m not sure what the best approach is because they can’t keep holding up the table but their reasoning is ridiculous.

We were simultaneously attacked during the GH5 by multiple clubs looking to feast on our carcass. We continued to get raided as it was an easy kill. We were also affected by the introduction of the expansion clubs almost more than any other.

Which young players have North lost? What are their actual extenuating circumstances? You don’t just get assistance because you’re no good.

The idea they should get PPs now because they’ve never had them before is also frankly absurd.

 

[briztoon]

Lachie's been clearly the best player at our club since our golden years, played nearly every game and been consistently good ,sometimes exceptional.

To even suggest we should've done other than get hold of him when we did on some pie in the sky at the time is just not clear thinking.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have gone for Neale.

I am saying that we don't have the depth or quality of own drafted talent that most other clubs around us on the ladder have.

 

[martinson]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have gone for Neale.

I am saying that we don't have the depth or quality of own drafted talent that most other clubs around us on the ladder have.

Definitely. Agree.

But we've had a shot at it for coming up to 5 years this year. Something we would never have envisaged.

We've still got the nucleus of a core group with some good younger talent and we need to be smart about how we go about it from here.

I'm all for getting some trade value out of players who aren't going to get us through the next era and rebuilding which paradoxically will be a lot easier if we fall short this year.

Harsh as that is you have to continually look ahead .

 

[rye]

It’s infuriating to see North fans request priority picks because of two main arguments: they are s**t and they’ve never had one before.

they got priority picks last year

 

[p4p1]

It’s mostly hard to feel sorry for North, 95% of their situation has been because of their own doing.

 

[Gadzorks]

It’s mostly hard to feel sorry for North, 95% of their situation has been because of their own doing.

As was ours. And I felt sorry for us, so I can spare a bit of sorry for them.

 

[rye]

i dont feel sorry for them largely because their supporter base is probably the worst in the afl tbh

 

[briztoon]

Definitely. Agree.

But we've had a shot at it for coming up to 5 years this year. Something we would never have envisaged.

We've still got the nucleus of a core group with some good younger talent and we need to be smart about how we go about it from here.

I'm all for getting some trade value out of players who aren't going to get us through the next era and rebuilding which paradoxically will be a lot easier if we fall short this year.

Harsh as that is you have to continually look ahead .

Not sure I'd be trading anyone to go through a mini rebuild. I'm kind of hoping our up-coming father son/s and potential academy prospects over the next three drafts provide us with enough talent to regenerate our list with higher talent than we would otherwise have had access to.

There's a big asteriks on what possible changes there are to father son and academy bid matching will look like. There's a fair bit of hype about Gold Coasts upcoming draft crops, particularly their current U16's and U15's age groups (this extends to their girls academy to), I can see Vic clubs becoming vocal about changing some of the rules about the Northern academies.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

i dont feel sorry for them largely because their supporter base is probably the worst in the afl tbh

They're not worse than Richmond's, surely

 

[briztoon]

They're not worse than Richmond's, surely

My thoughts too.

 

[rye]

They're not worse than Richmond's, surely

richmond supporters are just a bit dull in my experience

north supporters are even duller than richmond's with a minnow club mindset.

was lurking their thread on the hawthorn racism inquiry to see what the other club who had a head coach impacted by the findings thought on it and most of the reading was appalling. a lot of it was pretty blatantly racist imo

a genuinely nasty and unpleasant lot if i were to generalise

 

[briztoon]

richmond supporters are just a bit dull in my experience

north supporters are even duller than richmond's with a minnow club mindset.

was lurking their thread on the hawthorn racism inquiry to see what the other club who had a head coach impacted by the findings thought on it and most of the reading was appalling. a lot of it was pretty blatantly racist imo

a genuinely nasty and unpleasant lot if i were to generalise

My experience of both boards, is that Richmond’s board is rabid, and the North board has a big persecution complex.

 

[p4p1]

Not sure I'd be trading anyone to go through a mini rebuild. I'm kind of hoping our up-coming father son/s and potential academy prospects over the next three drafts provide us with enough talent to regenerate our list with higher talent than we would otherwise have had access to.

There's a big asteriks on what possible changes there are to father son and academy bid matching will look like. There's a fair bit of hype about Gold Coasts upcoming draft crops, particularly their current U16's and U15's age groups (this extends to their girls academy to), I can see Vic clubs becoming vocal about changing some of the rules about the Northern academies.

I can understand where their issues are with academies.

 

[McIvor]

It’s infuriating to see North fans request priority picks because of two main arguments: they are s**t and they’ve never had one before.

I’ll admit I’m not sure what the best approach is because they can’t keep holding up the table but their reasoning is ridiculous.

We were simultaneously attacked during the GH5 by multiple clubs looking to feast on our carcass. We continued to get raided as it was an easy kill. We were also affected by the introduction of the expansion clubs almost more than any other.

Which young players have North lost? What are their actual extenuating circumstances? You don’t just get assistance because you’re no good.

The idea they should get PPs now because they’ve never had them before is also frankly absurd.

I think the thing that shits me about the likes of North and Suns with their PP applications is that they highlight clubs getting them in the past including us, but what they fail to acknowledge is that we were probably worse for longer and only got a pretty benign late end of round 1 pick whereas they’ve gotten concessions we could only dream about particularly the Suns a few years ago that got a heap of concessions and NT access and extra list spots and no doubt North will get special treatment by likely getting pick 3 for losing McKay. On top of that you can’t reward clubs for performing badly on the back of horrible list decisions and surely as a club you’ve got to be somewhat accountable unlike us that had young players continuously walking after doing there mandatory two years.

 

[briztoon]

I can understand where their issues are with academies.

Sure, but the VFL have no intention of addressing the issues regarding the inequalities of the draw, the amount of travel for the non Victorian clubs, where the final is played every year, etc.

I'll hold on to one of our only two advantages for as long as possible.

 

[dlanod]

My experience of both boards, is that Norths board is rabid, and the North board has a big persecution complex.

FWIW BigFooty boards are not a representative sample of real world supporters that you encounter at games, etc.

Except for Richmond.