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All comes down to that letter from WADA/ASADA that Dank purportedly has.

- is it real
- is it current or is it something Dank had from his time at Manly before the catch-all rule was implemented
- does it say that AOD is not on the banned list or does it say it is not a prohibited substance (Essendon will be hoping for the latter)
 

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All comes down to that letter from WADA/ASADA that Dank purportedly has.

- is it real
- is it current or is it something Dank had from his time at Manly before the catch-all rule was implemented
- does it say that AOD is not on the banned list or does it say it is not a prohibited substance (Essendon will be hoping for the latter)
If you closely read Mark Robinson's article, all it says is that Bruce saw 'a document', and that several Essendon officials are 'aware of the letter's existence'.

It doesn't say anything that would lead you to think that anyone tried to verify this letter at any time.

As Richard Ings said a few days ago:

I am still staggered that the clubs and the individuals involved did not fly to Canberra and sit down with ASADA and lay out exactly what they had planned to triple check that it was all completely within the letter and in the spirit of the World Anti-Doping Agency Code
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...ust-be-clarified/story-e6frf9jf-1226624763575

It's starting to look like club officials believed what they wanted to believe at the time.
 
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Looking bad for them. I feel sorry for players if they were duped, but the ones who had AOD should not be allowed to play for a period of time. Some Essendon supporters seem confident their players will escape sanction but I just don't see how.
 

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All comes down to that letter from WADA/ASADA that Dank purportedly has.

- is it real
- is it current or is it something Dank had from his time at Manly before the catch-all rule was implemented
- does it say that AOD is not on the banned list or does it say it is not a prohibited substance (Essendon will be hoping for the latter)
On the letter, how does Essendon not have a copy? Do they throw out the warranties for their gym equipment also? What about the instructions for the pie oven? Simple documentation to support anything being used by the club would surely be copied and filed. In such a serious business as suppliments and drugs at a sporting club, surely they would keep any record to support its safe use. To have not done so is terrible management and negligent to both the players and the club as a whole. I'm guessing the "letter" is an imaginary straw at which they're clutching.
Of course all of this looks less damning in light of;

The Australian Crime Commission said yesterday it had relied on information from ASADA in compiling its report on drugs in sport, which stated several times AOD-9604 was not prohibited.
WADA clearly indicates it IS prohibeted under the section
it is prohibited under category S0, which states substances not approved for human use are prohibited at all times.
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How the hell is ASADA such a rock show to tell the Crime Commission anything contrary to this? Geez, if ASADA don't know what's what, how can sport clubs know. This makes the whole of Australian sport look like a circus when clubs don't keep records of drugs they're shoving into kids and the nations governing body on the matter can't get their definitions and terms of reference right.
 

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Yeah Skoob, as the article is Robbo's (and unless I'm missing something), I'm more inclined to think that line about the ACC is Robbo using slight of hand to angle in some sympathy for his beloved. The ACC report said AOD was not banned under one particular section. As you say, WADA have confirmed it is banned under another section. Joining the dots and saying "Asada gave the wrong advice" is a big leap.
 

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How the hell is ASADA such a rock show to tell the Crime Commission anything contrary to this? Geez, if ASADA don't know what's what, how can sport clubs know. This makes the whole of Australian sport look like a circus when clubs don't keep records of drugs they're shoving into kids and the nations governing body on the matter can't get their definitions and terms of reference right.
One further point: it seems unbelievable that Essendon wouldn't keep a record of that document, but it is truly unbelievable that ASADA wouldn't keep a record of every time they'd given that kind of advice.

And this has been kicking around for a while now, so unless ASADA are just quietly hoping that we'll all forget about it, they haven't got the letter. Which to me makes it virtually certain that there is no letter, at least not as its been described.
 

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...and just maybe Dank faked the letter. Seems the likely scenario to me, because you couldn't possibly fathom that these official bodies could be so slack.

Although, I must say that I was surprised a week or so ago when AD said they would now keep records of all people and fitness programs etc connected to all clubs:eek:

How could this NOT have been done already???
 
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If a guilty decision is made on Essendon during the season, it will be interesting to see how the AFL will handle a few things...

- do teams who lose to them still get the four points...
- if so, is that unfair to the teams that only play them once?
- if Essendon are stripped of premiership points and win the spoon, surely the AFL have to strip their draft picks as well, or at least move each pick to the end of its respective round
 
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Maybe Dank faked the letter.
It has been mooted by some people. I can't understand what he'd have to gain by doing that though, considering it was allegedly presented to Dr Reid before they started using AOD. So much of this doesn't make sense.

The theory that he may have had an older letter from his days at Manly (prior to the introduction of the WADA catch-all clause) makes a bit more sense in the sequence of events, but it is still just a theory.
 

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With Melbourne in the NRL, didn't they make Melbourne not play for points, but teams still had to beat them to get points. Same could work in the AFL, whoever beats Essendon gets four points, those that lose get nothing.
 
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I reckon Essendon are going to get defeated comfortably by the Pies today btw. They've performed well under pressure so far but I reckon the turn of events this week will knock the wind out of their sails.

The whole investigation had an abstract feeling up until this week, shit is real now.
 

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I am finding it hard to get enthusiastic about this game.

Normally I just hate the Pies, but I am a bit angry with the whole Essendon thing and their handling of it at the moment.

Hird being treated like some sort of hero is a bit nauseating.

I could possibly support the Pies.

Or I may go out instead.
 

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I am finding it hard to get enthusiastic about this game.

Normally I just hate the Pies, but I am a bit angry with the whole Essendon thing and their handling of it at the moment.

Hird being treated like some sort of hero is a bit nauseating.

I could possibly support the Pies.

Or I may go out instead.
Watch the reserves in half an hour instead ceebee.

Click here at 2:10pm and watch Simon and the rest of the lads hammer Gold Coast -
 

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If a guilty decision is made on Essendon during the season, it will be interesting to see how the AFL will handle a few things...

- do teams who lose to them still get the four points...
- if so, is that unfair to the teams that only play them once?
- if Essendon are stripped of premiership points and win the spoon, surely the AFL have to strip their draft picks as well, or at least move each pick to the end of its respective round
If it does, my best guess:

- You'll need to beat them to get the four points.
- If they win, they get nothing.
- They'll probably miss out on the first two or three rounds of the draft.
 

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As much as I love to see Collingwood beaten at ANY opportunity, there is a bitter taste left by Essendon's continued dominance, knowing that a handful of their players have been on the "juice".
And what's with the umpiring in this game? In the space of 5 seconds, the bombers drpped the ball (incorrect disposal) then slide in to get the ball making contact below the knees. I hate that rule but it is a rule that has been paid softly. Why are umpires allowed to pick and choose when to apply the laws of the game? You could never educate a new comer to the way this game is played over the course of one game. You have to watch footy for a whole season then add the disclaimer that not all rules apply at all times.:rolleyes:
 
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