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They act like winning a few games of footy makes it alright to throw anti doping regulations out the window.
When in fact it should actually strengthen the footy world's resolve to make sure they are punished.

I didn't barrack for either side yesterday. I'm no Bombers fan but I always barrack for them on Anzac Day. Not this year.
 

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There seems to be a bit of it about. If the AFL don't bring down the harshest penalties in the history of the game it will be a farce. We know what to expect for salary cap cheating. Essendon have admitted to having a systematic program in place to inject players with a prohibited substance, and their current excuse amounts to 'I did my homework, but the dog ate it'.

The tools lining up to kiss Hirds arse & call for leniency make me sick. They act like winning a few games of footy makes it alright to throw anti doping regulations out the window.
Pretty sure they will be lenient on them.
It is all SO wrong.
Raising a glass to Hird makes me feel ill.:mad:
 

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I take this article with a grain of salt but, if it turns out that a peptide administered by Dank at Cronulla hastened NRL player Jon Mannah's death, then those responsible should be charged with a criminal offence.
It's pretty reprehensible, but such a link would be basically impossible to prove. The closest it will ever be concluded would be "could have" or "may have" - maybe enough for a civil trial, but not enough proof for a criminal conviction.
 

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It's pretty reprehensible, but such a link would be basically impossible to prove. The closest it will ever be concluded would be "could have" or "may have" - maybe enough for a civil trial, but not enough proof for a criminal conviction.
Thanks for the law lesson....

Edit: Sorry mate, a bit blunt! I had actually looked up the NSW Crimes Act before posting and the bigger impediment appears to be finding an offence that fits the action. Maybe recklessly causing GBH but there's a lot to try and prove to get that to stick.

But I agree with you that meeting the onus of proof also appears to be problematic.

My statement was more of a moral rather than legal one - it is such despicable behaviour with such an awful outcome that there should be something that the criminal justice system could do as punishment for those involved. We're now potentially elevating the situation to actually causing people harm which is in a whole new ball park compared to simply cheating.
 

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For an Essendon die hard, Robbo has gone at the Bombers pretty hard during this scandal.
Yes but he's always been willing to believe (and has advocated) the most innocent of the plausible explanations. It hasn't been a whitewash but, when choosing two opposing stories, he has generally chosen the one that leads to the best outcome for Essendon and Hird. I don't know that he would have done that for other clubs.

eg he ran a line on 360 early on that Essendon's practices were no different than at 16(?) other clubs, which was never the case.

Not trying to suggest that he's been a club voicepiece or apologist but he's clearly wanted to believe that everything is OK and I think that has tinged his analysis slightly. On 360 anyway. I only read his columns when you get quoted. ;)
 
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Not trying to suggest that he's been a club voicepiece or apologist but he's clearly wanted to believe that everything is OK and I think that has tinged his analysis slightly. On 360 anyway.
Isn't this kinda expected from media types in these situations though, regardless of club bias. When a serious, negative story is going on, they kind of all err towards "let's hope this isn't true". Would be funny to see a commentator unleash the inner troll though :D
 

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Isn't this kinda expected from media types in these situations though, regardless of club bias. When a serious, negative story is going on, they kind of all err towards "let's hope this isn't true". Would be funny to see a commentator unleash the inner troll though :D
I would have thought the opposite. They hope that it is as bad as possible (because that sells papers) and their reports are always tinged with that sort of sensationalism.
 

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I would have thought the opposite. They hope that it is as bad as possible (because that sells papers) and their reports are always tinged with that sort of sensationalism.
Oh privately they love it, but when looking down the camera lens they pretend to hate this stuff.
 

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I take this article with a grain of salt but, if it turns out that a peptide administered by Dank at Cronulla hastened NRL player Jon Mannah's death, then those responsible should be charged with a criminal offence.
Depends how desperate he was to get back playing and get his life back to normal.
Maybe he just didnt want to know the risks.

No one will ever know, but blood cancers are ones that have to be monitored for a long time ,even in remission.
You never know if they will relapse.

Jarrod Lyle the golfer ,is battling his second bout of leukaemia which he first had at 17 ,he is now 31.
You just never know when, or if it will come back.:(
 

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The tools lining up to kiss Hirds arse & call for leniency make me sick. They act like winning a few games of footy makes it alright to throw anti doping regulations out the window.
Yeah I loved the emotion of the come back win vs. Freo but it feels like they're taking the piss with it a bit now. It's almost like their trying to 'stick it up people' so to speak when in fact they've only got themselves to blame (if the rumours are true).
 

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When in fact it should actually strengthen the footy world's resolve to make sure they are punished.
Spot on. Even if you take the most well intentioned read on it & say they used AOD9604 to speed up injury recovery, well take a look at most clubs injury lists. We all suffer them, and they're no excuse to flat out cheat. Returning their players to the field sooner than the rest, by using banned substances, is every bit as bad as any other form of drug cheating. It is deliberately looking for a competitive advantage, and breaking the rules to get it.
 

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I'm enjoying Essendon's "honeymoon" start to the season.

Just makes the inevitable horror show more dramatic when it comes.
If I was convinced anything would actually happen as a result then I'd be enjoying it too.

But given AFL House track record for "cracking down" in the last couple of years I'm not convinced anything serious is going to result from it.

Still hoping to be proven wrong of course.
 
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If I was convinced anything would actually happen as a result then I'd be enjoying it too.

But given AFL House track record for "cracking down" in the last couple of years I'm not convinced anything serious is going to result from it.

Still hoping to be proven wrong of course.
Reckon this one is out of the AFL's hands.

If only there was also a World Anti Tanking Associaton.
 

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Reckon this one is out of the AFL's hands.
Agree that the investigation is outside their hands. But they can no doubt go into bat for the clubs in question if they want to in order to "protect the image of the game"... something they've proven they're willing to do no matter how stupid or naive it makes them look.

e.g. if this letter thing turns out to have any credibility, if ASADA come down hard I'd be surprised if Vlad didn't go into bat to soften it as much as possible
 

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Calling it now, another Lions v Bombers Grand Final. Bombers to get smacked by 200 points. Day afterwards the ASADA report comes out and says all the Dons players were on the juice. Double whammy!

I'm a very cruel person sometimes...
 
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Hmm, I dunno this time. We've got other codes embroiled in this.

The AFL might be tempted to go soft but if the weight of evidence is too much to bear, there could be an arms race between the NRL and AFL to show who is more serious about tackling doping in their respective codes.
 

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ASADA will hand down the penalties for the players, but I think there'll be an expectation that the AFL will punish the club in some way.

I really do think that Hird needs to accept some kind of personal responsibility for all of this. He's not the only one, but it appears there's been a dangerous lack of oversight at the Bombers that will probably damage players who put faith in the club, and to some extent damaged the game as a whole.

If Bailey and Connolly got lengthy suspensions for privately talking about tanking, then I'd be interested to know what the AFL's idea of a proportionate penalty is for creating a set of circumstances that led to players actually physically taking banned substances.
 
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