Toast Nonna's Joint. Vicariously living Tom Liberatore's Grand Tour of the known Universe and beyond

[Hoges64]

I felt offended when I think it was BT? Questioned Libba's disposal (or decision making?) last weekend.

His disposal is surely elite - I'd say he has Macrae, Bont, Hunter and Dunkley all covered with his kicking. He is the best handballer in the team.

I swear if I was working for Carlton, Gold Coast, Saints or Freo I'd be throwing big bucks at him.

To be fair, I have Macrae, Hunter and Dunkley covered for kicking. That's not the comparison you want to be making.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

To be fair, I have Macrae, Hunter and Dunkley covered for kicking. That's not the comparison you want to be making.

Macrae lacks penetration but is a great kick. Hunter is an outstanding kick - just not for goal... Dunks is ugly but effective.

 

[maddog37]

Macrae lacks penetration but is a great kick. Hunter is an outstanding kick - just not for goal... Dunks is ugly but effective.

Sorry mate but you are off the mark here. All lack penetration and the speed of their ball flight is slow. They are generally fairly accurate I will admit and Macrae creates interesting angles but that’s about it.

 

[Hoges64]

Macrae lacks penetration but is a great kick. Hunter is an outstanding kick - just not for goal... Dunks is ugly but effective.

I'll give you that Hunter and Dunkley have improved this year. But when you start at 0.....

Macrae definitely lacks penetration, and is a little too prone to the 60⁰ hook kick (which again he seems to have curtailed this year at least. When it works it's brilliant, but is abysmal when it doesn't), but calling these guys anything close to outstanding / elite / great is generous at best.

 

[Dogs 13]

I'll give you that Hunter and Dunkley have improved this year. But when you start at 0.....

Macrae definitely lacks penetration, and is a little too prone to the 60⁰ hook kick (which again he seems to have curtailed this year at least. When it works it's brilliant, but is abysmal when it doesn't), but calling these guys anything close to outstanding / elite / great is generous at best.

I just don't know how we ever win a game

 

[Hoges64]

I just don't know how we ever win a game

We handball well? ;-)

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Sorry mate but you are off the mark here. All lack penetration and the speed of their ball flight is slow. They are generally fairly accurate I will admit and Macrae creates interesting angles but that’s about it.

Disagree. Our style of play means an increase in errant kicks due to increased risk. JJ is the perfect example. Absolutely beautiful kick of the footy - accuracy, penetration, style ... but executing that kick at full pace - when you're as quick as he is, causes a few additional errors. VERY few footballers can do it much better at full pace. It is very challenging, but worth the higher margin for error because of the broken lines and penetration of defensive structures.

Hunter is a lovely under 45 kick - ask him to do more and then it suffers.

 

[ManOfClay]

Shaw delisted by giants.

let us reflect on Libba breaking him

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Shaw delisted by giants.

let us reflect on Libba breaking him

And Dicko discombobulating him.

And Clay Smith giving him the slip and causing him to do his nut

 

[dogwatch]

Shaw delisted by giants.

let us reflect on Libba breaking him

Pioneer of the now universal practice of racking up stats by playing on when kicking out after a behind.

 

[Sharkey66]

Pioneer of the now universal practice of racking up stats by playing on when kicking out after a behind.

I was gonna make a joke and suggest we pick him up.




Then i looked at the list management thread.........

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I was gonna make a joke and suggest we pick him up.




Then i looked at the list management thread.........

Worst. Thread. Ever.

 

[Hoges64]

I was gonna make a joke and suggest we pick him up.




Then i looked at the list management thread.........

Oh, they didn't.....

 

[dogwatch]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Oh, they didn't.....

Seldom go there these days.

Vindicated!

 

[Royale]

Libba is a great kick but Bont has him covered.

I wouldn't be so sure on that. I think Libba is a better kick than Bont just that he's at the coal face so much firing out handballs you dont see his full kicking ability. Their career average kicking efficiency also just slightly favours Libba at 61.9% vs Bont's 59.4%

The thing is, he's just too damn good in a contest. If he were purely a wing player you'd probably see his full talent when kicking.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I wouldn't be so sure on that. I think Libba is a better kick than Bont just that he's at the coal face so much firing out handballs you dont see his full kicking ability. Their career average kicking efficiency also just slightly favours Libba at 61.9% vs Bont's 59.4%

The thing is, he's just too damn good in a contest. If he were purely a wing player you'd probably see his full talent when kicking.

By the same token though, a lot of Bonts kicks are going inside 50 and more susceptible to being cur off. Bont probably has an extra 7-10 meters too.

Not a knock on Libba at all, I think he is a terrific kick, just don't think he is as good as Bont.

 

[Royale]

They're both great, we can disagree though

 

[Here we go dogs]

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I think a uninjured libba would be the most talented player on our list.

I can’t think of pure inside mids with the footskills and vision of libba - He doesn’t kick as far as he once did.

 

[deskc]

He is so funny I laugh all the time at his antics

 

[charcoalchicken]

Game 150 coming up this weekend, great effort after the injuries he’s suffered, hope he has a great game and the dogs win, couldn’t be a more bulldogs man if he tried.

 

[Igloo]

 

[weltschmerz]

I really love that he showed up at the seconds match today, no fanfare, just walking his dog and cheering for his team. I’m glad I got the chance to wish him all the best.

 

[Mr. Walker]

My view, for what it is worth, is that if Libba doesn’t play on GF day, we don’t win.

 

[Sentinel]

My view, for what it is worth, is that if Libba doesn’t play on GF day, we don’t win.

Was one of the great MCG tons

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

My view, for what it is worth, is that if Libba doesn’t play on GF day, we don’t win.

Put his hand up and did a number on Kennedy after half time