North Korea v South Korea On The Brink Of War

[Major Colvin]

Potential nuclear holocaust at play today but lead story Herald Sun website is delays on the Frankston Line.

Is this world crisis real?

The crisis is real, it's the Feral Sun that's not.

I take the Oz, but only for the sports, and x word.

If a nuclear war eventuates on the peninsula there is unfortunately nothing we can do, has never been anything outside those incredibly small few in power, can do. We just have to hope those small few do not want to govern over a post-apocalyptic planet.

Whilst I appreciate the seriousness of NK's actions, I just wonder, knowing that NK is aware striking a foreign territory is suicide, how much attention the greater public must be expected to pay it? And how much that attention just feeds into this crisis?

It's likely that North Korea will continue these provocations indefinitely, does that mean world news outlets need to paralyse their public with fear each time? (the answer is yes, but it is not really logical). I think we should all pay more attention to local issues we can affect rather than international ones we can't. Local problems are real and the threat of NK/USA war is largely imagined because of its potentially catastrophic outcome - but if the past is a measure is statistically unlikely, even with two nutters at the helm. They are self-preservating nutters after all.

 

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[rdhopkins2]

Not sure what to think.
KJU is either mad or deliberately antagonising another country to strike NK first. Imagine that missile hit Japanese mainland. It would be on.

As a minimum we will probably see more trade embargoes and diplomatic withdrawal.

Mad, bad, sad.
Unfortunately the world superpower leaders aren't much better.

 

[Lebbo73]

Not sure what to think.
KJU is either mad or deliberately antagonising another country to strike NK first. Imagine that missile hit Japanese mainland. It would be on.

As a minimum we will probably see more trade embargoes and diplomatic withdrawal.

Mad, bad, sad.
Unfortunately the world superpower leaders aren't much better.

Russia and China's stance is pretty poor to be honest. How can they tell the US to practice restraint when this idiot is firing missiles across Japan or into their sea? If Kim Suck You did this to China or Russia, it would be a whole different story altogether!

 

[rank and file]

The Japanese sirens were pretty eerie.

 

[Power Raid]

Probably best the US bans media reports on NK

This is about as real as Y2K

 

[Run n Spread]

Probably best the US bans media reports on NK

This is about as real as Y2K

Exactly. This really is a North Asian/Chinese/Korean problem. This has f all to do with the West/Allies. Trump et al have simply no business even commenting. In fact Trump's advisers/generals need to tell him to shut the * up. Sure we'd all love to save the world but why not comment on the situation in Somalia or Mexico even. Leave the Koreans well alone.

However.........If and if one of Kim Jong Uns missles "accidentally drops on Japan/Guam/The US/Australia et al and spills the blood of one civilian/soldier then that is a declaration of all out War. Not a strike not a warning but War.

In which case North Korea should be nuked to the ground. I don't mean the Hiroshima/Nagasaki affect I mean nuked with 20% of the US arsenal and turn the whole country into a giant crater and let the environmental effect settle in 100 years. Ground zero.

Let's then see if Trump can still comment or the fat psychopath still wants to try his luck.

War is a serious business. Kim Jong Un, Trump, MSN are simply unruly teens running amok. They should stay well away and stick to propaganda videos, speeches and waving on balconies unless they want to unleash a situation they will lose all control over.

 

[Power Raid]

Exactly. This really is a North Asian/Chinese/Korean problem. This has f all to do with the West/Allies. Trump et al have simply no business even commenting. In fact Trump's advisers/generals need to tell him to shut the **** up. Sure we'd all love to save the world but why not comment on the situation in Somalia or Mexico even. Leave the Koreans well alone.

However.........If and if one of Kim Jong Uns missles "accidentally drops on Japan/Guam/The US/Australia et al and spills the blood of one civilian/soldier then that is a declaration of all out War. Not a strike not a warning but War.

In which case North Korea should be nuked to the ground. I don't mean the Hiroshima/Nagasaki affect I mean nuked with 20% of the US arsenal and turn the whole country into a giant crater and let the environmental effect settle in 100 years. Ground zero.

Let's then see if Trump can still comment or the fat psychopath still wants to try his luck.

War is a serious business. Kim Jong Un, Trump, MSN are simply unruly teens running amok. They should stay well away and stick to propaganda videos, speeches and waving on balconies unless they want to unleash a situation they will lose all control over.

All discussions should be behind closed doors clear and professionally.

The response from all is well known, so no need for threats. Any media reporting the issue should be closed down.

 

[PP34]

Looks like another test just happened

 

[Lebbo73]

Looks like another test just happened

Just reading. It was conducted at Punggye-Ri and caused an artificial quake of 6.3 in magnitude.. North Korea claims that the advanced nuclear weapon can be used on an ICBM.

 

[Pykie]

Just reading. It was conducted at Punggye-Ri and caused an artificial quake of 6.3 in magnitude.. North Korea claims that the advanced nuclear weapon can be used on an ICBM.

Claiming it's an advanced hydrogen bomb.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Claiming an earthquake is a test device

#fakebombattentionwhores

 

[Gavin Excell]

Unsure to know what to think until we have input from the Left on the issue

They may feel Nth Korea are marginalised and should be appeased

 

[madmug]

Unsure to know what to think until we have input from the Left on the issue

They may feel Nth Korea are marginalised and should be appeased

The last major appeasement of international aggression came in 1939 from the then British PM Neville Chamberlain, of the RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE party.

It clearly didn't work.

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[Power Raid]

And still nothing but media bullshit

 

[Farm Boy]

And still nothing but media bullshit

You surprised?

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[Run n Spread]

All discussions should be behind closed doors clear and professionally.

The response from all is well known, so no need for threats. Any media reporting the issue should be closed down.

Discussions have not and will not work.

1 warning and 1 only. Any shenanigans or the killing of any allied citizens and 25% of our Nukes are dropped directly on your head.

Then leave them to it. No more point getting involved.

Trump is right in one sense. Its time for the rest of the World to sort out their own problems.

In Australia's case we can do F All about it. In fact didn't we use to have an NK embassy or Diplomatic Representative at least? Should've kept it as then there is at least some form of relationship they have to the outside world. And the message gets hammered home. Don't do anything stupid. Too late now as it is long gone and the situation has moved out of control.

Australia better get started on mining that Uranium and get test firing ourselves. This actually is highly dangerous.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Discussions have not and will not work.

1 warning and 1 only. Any shenanigans or the killing of any allied citizens and 25% of our Nukes are dropped directly on your head.

Then leave them to it. No more point getting involved.

Trump is right in one sense. Its time for the rest of the World to sort out their own problems.

In Australia's case we can do F All about it. In fact didn't we use to have an NK embassy or Diplomatic Representative at least? Should've kept it as then there is at least some form of relationship they have to the outside world. And the message gets hammered home. Don't do anything stupid. Too late now as it is long gone and the situation has moved out of control.

Australia better get started on mining that Uranium and get test firing ourselves. This actually is highly dangerous.

Alternative is to not warn and just assassination of Kim Jong il. May lead to similar in retaliation- we can deal with it if it happens.

 

[madmug]

If Trump stops $650bill trade with China he'll destroy the US economy. He'll be the one assassinated.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Discussions have not and will not work.

1 warning and 1 only. Any shenanigans or the killing of any allied citizens and 25% of our Nukes are dropped directly on your head.

Then leave them to it. No more point getting involved.

Trump is right in one sense. Its time for the rest of the World to sort out their own problems.

In Australia's case we can do F All about it. In fact didn't we use to have an NK embassy or Diplomatic Representative at least? Should've kept it as then there is at least some form of relationship they have to the outside world. And the message gets hammered home. Don't do anything stupid. Too late now as it is long gone and the situation has moved out of control.

Australia better get started on mining that Uranium and get test firing ourselves. This actually is highly dangerous.

Nuke north korea as a first strike, and you can say goodbye to the entire population of Seoul, and cause all sorts of wreckage in japan and northern china

This kind of threat only works if 1) youre willing to follow through, and 2) the person youre threatening wont call your bluff

A nuclear strike involving 2000+ warheads is a massive overreaction for the death of any allied soldier (both the north and south have had numerous incidents of killing each others soldiers/sailors over the decades)

 

[Run n Spread]

Nuke north korea as a first strike, and you can say goodbye to the entire population of Seoul, and cause all sorts of wreckage in japan and northern china

This kind of threat only works if 1) youre willing to follow through, and 2) the person youre threatening wont call your bluff

A nuclear strike involving 2000+ warheads is a massive overreaction for the death of any allied soldier (both the north and south have had numerous incidents of killing each others soldiers/sailors over the decades)

Or 3 the person believes you follow through.

What do you do then? Diplomacy has failed.

What is your response if the next test stuffs up and the missile drops on civilians.

The point I make with the Nukes is you need to make a statement:

There will be no WW3. We are not having a protracted struggle for 5 years +. Declare War on us and you are rubble. Otherwise why arm to the teeth in the first place?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Or 3 the person believes you follow through.

What do you do then? Diplomacy has failed.

What is your response if the next test stuffs up and the missile drops on civilians.

The point I make with the Nukes is you need to make a statement:

There will be no WW3. We are not having a protracted struggle for 5 years +. Declare War on us and you are rubble. Otherwise why arm to the teeth in the first place?

You dont make a statement by nuking millions of civilians. That would go down as one of the biggest war crimes in history

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Or 3 the person believes you follow through.

What do you do then? Diplomacy has failed.

What is your response if the next test stuffs up and the missile drops on civilians.

The point I make with the Nukes is you need to make a statement:

There will be no WW3. We are not having a protracted struggle for 5 years +. Declare War on us and you are rubble. Otherwise why arm to the teeth in the first place?

And btw north and south korea are still in a state of war, no need to declare anything.