Strategy North Melbourne Coaching Changes 2020 & Beyond

[Snake_Baker]

My take is that it all rests on what A. Simpson is doing when he finishes his current WCE contract.

If we can get him to commit, then Brady & Co. should bring in an interim for 2 years to set up the list for his return.

 

[King Corey]

I’m guessing I see and hear Voss a bit more here in the SA media, and I can say he doesn’t come across like that at all.

Fair enough.

What did you make of him circa Brisbane coaching vs now?

 

[scooby1279]

Anyway most of all FOLLOW A PROCESS THIS TIME.

Unless a prospect's goodness flops out and slaps us in the face, apply due diligence this time. Get outside assistance and perspective. Do it properly.

This is all that is needed. Process to find the right coach

 

[Mav]

Fair enough.

What did you make of him circa Brisbane coaching vs now?

As a player Voss was not only arrogant he was brilliant. Voss took over as coach at Brisbane, what, 2 years after he retired? He was still young and arrogant. He's far from that now. From what I'm told here in SA he's very measured, confident in his ability but very level headed. In other words he's matured.

It's silly to judge him from his time as coach in Brisbane, he was incredibly inexperienced taking over from a legend of the game. It was never going to work.

 

[King Corey]

As a player Voss was not only arrogant he was brilliant. Voss took over as coach at Brisbane, what, 2 years after he retired? He was still young and arrogant. He's far from that now. From what I'm told here in SA he's very measured, confident in his ability but very level headed. In other words he's matured.

It's silly to judge him from his time as coach in Brisbane, he was incredibly inexperienced taking over from a legend of the game. It was never going to work.

Your first paragraph is encouraging.

Disagree with your second. It's not "silly" to judge a senior coach on their body of work as a senior coach. If he's developed since then that's additional info to be considered.

 

[The Dingrel]

I do not like the idea of not having a dyed in the wool North person among this lot.

I'd like to see Drew Petrie back at the club, admittedly not in the top job just yet, but surely there's line coaching roles to fill. Good mates with Brady, part of the WCE premiership success, "dyed in the wool North person" as you say, and quality individual. Simmo might just start missing his mates!

 

[Mav]

Your first paragraph is encouraging.

Disagree with your second. It's not "silly" to judge a senior coach on their body of work as a senior coach. If he's developed since then that's additional info to be considered.

so how to you judge Shaw's first year as a senior coach? Based on what we've seen you'd have to say he's been terrible.

 

[The Dingrel]

St. Kilda - 54 year rebuild Nick

and counting!

 

[Mav]

I don't understand the desire to get North people back to coach. In the last 20 years there's only been 3 premiership coaches that have played at the team they coached and 2 of them played the majority of their games at a different club.

We need to get the best person for the job.

 

[The Dingrel]

My take is that it all rests on what A. Simpson is doing when he finishes his current WCE contract.

If we can get him to commit, then Brady & Co. should bring in an interim for 2 years to set up the list for his return.

I'd have no doubt those questions are being asked.

 

[The Dingrel]

I don't understand the desire to get North people back to coach. In the last 20 years there's only been 3 premiership coaches that have played at the team they coached and 2 of them played the majority of their games at a different club.

We need to get the best person for the job.

Perhaps its because there are 3 NMFC players who are highly respected premiership winning coaches at other clubs.

 

[Twinkletoes]

We need to get the best person for the job.

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[remfan101]

My take is that it all rests on what A. Simpson is doing when he finishes his current WCE contract.

If we can get him to commit, then Brady & Co. should bring in an interim for 2 years to set up the list for his return.

Surely there is absolutely zero chance Simmo will commit to anything 2 years in advance? A dodgy in-principle agreement doesn’t sound like his style at all given how much he’s invested in what West Coast are doing.

I’d love to see him coach us one day but we can’t be waiting for the messiah to come and save us. If we pick the right person for the job now, we won’t need Simmo in two years, because we’ll be bouncing up the ladder under Chocco (pls) or Kingsley or whoever it may be.

 

[Snojet]

What's this 10 year rebuild bullshit?

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Truth is Ross Lyon has never developed a list. Took over Saints after Grant Thomas built the team. Took over Freo after Mark Harvey did the hard yards. The bloke must have a great PowerPoint presentation and can talk shite that sounds deep and meaningful.
With all he inherited he still couldn’t win a flag.
It’s a no from me.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Surely there is absolutely zero chance Simmo will commit to anything 2 years in advance?

You don't know if you don't ask, and I know that North will always be first in Simmo's heart.

A dodgy in-principle agreement doesn’t sound like his style at all given how much he’s invested in what West Coast are doing.

He is well & truly within his professional rights to privately express where he see's himself after his current contractual obligations are over.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Williams comes across as a bit manic in the media, but it's what players like those at Werribee think of him that matters.

Interesting that I caught myself slotting him in as the wrong generation, but a) Fagan, and b) his flag was a year before Roos' and no-one seems to think of him as superannuated.

It feels like appointing an up and comer is stamping Shaw's papers, and it doesn't feel right - unless someone wants the experience of running the show on their cv, whichever way it goes at North. Bringing in an older coach could work as both a changeover, if that's what is needed, or a fill-in who could then stay to support Shaw.

 

[Hojuman]

You don't know if you don't ask, and I know that North will always be first in Simmo's heart.




He is well & truly within his professional rights to privately express where he see's himself after his current contractual obligations are over.

He'll get shafted if they don't at least make a prelim 2021.

 

[King Corey]

so how to you judge Shaw's first year as a senior coach? Based on what we've seen you'd have to say he's been terrible.

Was pondering this, putting aside Covid and personal circumstances in and judging only the coaching based on what we could observe.

The signs haven't been flash, no. That's in terms of group cohesiveness/player management and on-field performance.

Plenty of extenuating factors but nobody would've finished 2020 assured we were on a coaching path to the land of milk and honey.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I would hope we are appointing someone now that we expect to still be coaching the club in two years. Simmo had his chance last year and opted to stay - if fate determines that he is interested the next time the gig comes up then great, but I'd be concerned if that was the club's actual approach.

What if we get a "commitment" from him and then he has two underachieving seasons at WC and gets the arse anyway?

 

[Mav]

Perhaps its because there are 3 NMFC players who are highly respected premiership winning coaches at other clubs.

which is a pretty naive way of looking at it. Clarkson spent years learning the craft in the SANFL, coaching his own team to a premiership. He then went to Port under Williams to win a GF. Simmo learnt under Clarkson. Most people on here hate the way Longmire coaches!

 

[kool kangas]

What about Roos and Blakey become joint coaches just for next year with Shaw in some role at North if he wants it, then, if ready he gets to step in for 2022 only and Blakey going back to being senior assistant coach. Then ask Simmo to come back for 2023, if he says no thanks and Shaw is up to it let him stay on with another contract. If Shaw is doing ok in 2022 and the club is happy then he stays...

 

[tazaa]

I thought I wanted Scott Burns last year cause of the Clarko connection but I dug a littler deeper and along with his playing days being under Malthouse (bygone era) and then his work as a coach under Woosha (2011 and 2012 only standout plus Woosha is also bygone), Buckley from 2014-2017 (yuck - they improved after he left and Clarko (201 yes and 2019/20 funk no) its not an amazing CV so pass.
A glorified Jade Rawlings.

Im happy to take another untried and Im warming to Adam Kinglsey. Cant get any better than Richmonds last 4 years.

 

[Mav]

Was pondering this, putting aside Covid and personal circumstances in and judging only the coaching based on what we could observe.

The signs haven't been flash, no. That's in terms of group cohesiveness/player management and on-field performance.

Plenty of extenuating factors but nobody would've finished 2020 assured we were on a coaching path to the land of milk and honey.

But should we be putting aside other factors? As in Voss' case, we shouldn't ignore he had only 1 year of experience as an assistant coach. In the same way, there is no way I'm going to judge Shaw on this year alone.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

But should we be putting aside other factors? As in Voss' case, we shouldn't ignore he had only 1 year of experience as an assistant coach. In the same way, there is no way I'm going to judge Shaw on this year alone.

Did he? I thought he signed with West Coast after a couple of years in the media and then was released from that contract as Brisbane came calling. I don't think he ever actually did any time as an assistant.

 

[The Dingrel]

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One thing that does stick with me about Voss was his work in special comments on Ch 10. Yes, it was a long time ago, but pretty much his whole insight was "Gotta change it up"....nothing he said in the box would strike anyone as being particularly astute.....that was a long time ago though....

He seems to be the media flavour of the month due to Ratten's relative success at St Kilda, however Ratten was absolutely stiffed by a footy club that craved a big name.....Voss just soiled himself.

Agree, I thought Ratten was on the right path at carlton and was absolutely shafted by them. Voss may have matured, I really don't know, but still see him as a risk. Sure you can point to him taking over from Lethal, but Buckley made a fair fist of it at Collingwood, although he inherited a premiership winning team but he did cull a lot of that list and take ownership of it. Our current predicament is more akin to the where the Lions were at, I can't help but think its a bit of a poisoned chalice, where only a really experienced coach who is burning for another opportunity would take it on (so probably Williams). Unless its one of our own of course.