Traded North Melbourne trade #8 to Melbourne for #26, #50 & 2020 1st Round Pick

The Filth Wizard

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You do realize that they won't use the ladder after one game nor will they just go off last years ladder right? Too many clubs will rightfully object.
They're not gonna do a lottery either, clubs will object to that too.

If it sits at one game last years ladder is the logical option, IIRC there's no trade where clubs are death riding each other. Makes no difference to Melbourne for example, if anything it gives them a more desirable position in later rounds.

There'll be a right old breakdown in society with this virus if we don't get some form of season finished, I'd rather hope for the best there.
 

the Ziebull

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Melbourne won’t finish outside the bottom 4 for the next few years anyway

but maybe they can climb from second last to 4th last if we do complete the rest of this year otherwise it will be last years order

the only alternative would be to do the draft the following year and raise age limit to 19 so it’s the same crop
 

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They're not gonna do a lottery either, clubs will object to that too.

If it sits at one game last years ladder is the logical option, IIRC there's no trade where clubs are death riding each other. Makes no difference to Melbourne for example, if anything it gives them a more desirable position in later rounds.

There'll be a right old breakdown in society with this virus if we don't get some form of season finished, I'd rather hope for the best there.
They are far more likely to use a lottery system than last years ladder, teams trade their picks on the basis they believe they'll be able to move up the ladder through performance and they don't get the chance to do so.
 

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Wild Bill

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They are far more likely to use a lottery system than last years ladder, teams trade their picks on the basis they believe they'll be able to move up the ladder through performance and they don't get the chance to do so.
Teams trade picks on the basis they believe a crap team will stay crap.

The only source of truth we have is the last completed season.
 

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They are far more likely to use a lottery system than last years ladder, teams trade their picks on the basis they believe they'll be able to move up the ladder through performance and they don't get the chance to do so.
Why are they far more likely? The whole thing is unprecedented. The AFL has been avoiding the lottery system for years, they aren't going to just add it in when the only difference between last season and now is one game.

As mentioned, some clubs also trade their picks on the basis some clubs may not move up. It's the same deal. Don't know why clubs like Melbourne wouldn't jump in head first, your draft position is improved without having to be terrible on field to maintain it. Your example makes sense in the instance we both traded picks for this season but do you really think the Melbourne football club care about "winning" last years trade at the expense of better position this season? That seems more a fan thing to me.
 

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Why are they far more likely? The whole thing is unprecedented. The AFL has been avoiding the lottery system for years, they aren't going to just add it in when the only difference between last season and now is one game.

As mentioned, some clubs also trade their picks on the basis some clubs may not move up. It's the same deal. Don't know why clubs like Melbourne wouldn't jump in head first, your draft position is improved without having to be terrible on field to maintain it. Your example makes sense in the instance we both traded picks for this season but do you really think the Melbourne football club care about "winning" last years trade at the expense of better position this season? That seems more a fan thing to me.
It's not about winning the trade.

Melbourne simply would not have done this trade if they weren't going to get the chance to improve on last years position, they would've just kept the pick.
 

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It's not about winning the trade.

Melbourne simply would not have done this trade if they weren't going to get the chance to improve on last years position, they would've just kept the pick.
Like when the Crows traded us pick 4 and the Blues lost their picks and we ended up with pick 2?

Buyer and seller beware.
 

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It's not about winning the trade.

Melbourne simply would not have done this trade if they weren't going to get the chance to improve on last years position, they would've just kept the pick.
Well that's not entirely true, if they thought they could fix an area of need immediately rather than waiting a year. It's pretty clear to me they had a target in mind and they got him. They've had their prize.

They traded for a second shot at last years first round. Sure, they wouldn't have anticipated finishing as low again (and I doubt North thought they were trading with a repeat bottom four side either, they traded enough in with the pick to offset your expected improvement). At that, none of it is really relevant to how the next draft is done but there's now way any of the clubs who don't benefit from whatever F/S and academy players are out there are going to allow themselves to be potentially compromised again with a raffle (I consider North and Geelong forefront of this).

My point stands, Melbourne have won their side of the trade. A perceived low finish at the expense of not the team being poor but the ladder of a previous season being held intact with only one game played actually contributes more to Melbourne. They won't sniff at a first up pick around 20 to 25 when it could have been 30-35. It's a bonus. Flip side North give up a late top ten one season for an early one the next season, it's just a player.
 

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I couldn’t see the AFL using one game of data to formulate the draft order. We had just about the hardest game. Eagles wouldn’t lose many in Perth. As mentioned using last years ladder is not a fair result either in the whole scheme of things when you allow clubs to trade future picks.
 

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They are far more likely to use a lottery system than last years ladder, teams trade their picks on the basis they believe they'll be able to move up the ladder through performance and they don't get the chance to do so.
Lol yeah, clubs are going to allow the chance that gws get pick 1.
 

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If there is no complete season this year there won’t be a draft.

Currently the season is postponed so they are hoping a season still gets completed and the order will come from that.

There have been talks that if there is no draft they might bump the draft age up to 19 (which has been spoken a out previously) and this years draft crop will be eligible next year.
 

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I couldn’t see the AFL using one game of data to formulate the draft order. We had just about the hardest game. Eagles wouldn’t lose many in Perth. As mentioned using last years ladder is not a fair result either in the whole scheme of things when you allow clubs to trade future picks.
If there is no complete season this year there won’t be a draft.

Currently the season is postponed so they are hoping a season still gets completed and the order will come from that.

There have been talks that if there is no draft they might bump the draft age up to 19 (which has been spoken a out previously) and this years draft crop will be eligible next year.
There will be a draft. Players will get traded for draft picks, players deleted and players will retire.

If the season is over it will either be based on last years ladder or a lottery weighted on last years ladder.

If they can get 8-10 games completed after May 31 then it’s business as usual.
 

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There will be a draft. Players will get traded for draft picks, players deleted and players will retire.

If the season is over it will either be based on last years ladder or a lottery weighted on last years ladder.

If they can get 8-10 games completed after May 31 then it’s business as usual.
I think the AFL is prepared to go deep into the year to get a season. So I agree there’ll be a draft. My comments related to being No season and using data from one game or a previous season where the AFL allowed clubs to trade future picks.

It’s going to be interesting for recruiters. I stand by my comments around this being a difficult draft year. Yes there are guys who are already standouts. But we are entering uncharted waters in many areas of the game.
 

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I think the AFL is prepared to go deep into the year to get a season. So I agree there’ll be a draft. My comments related to being No season and using data from one game or a previous season where the AFL allowed clubs to trade future picks.

It’s going to be interesting for recruiters. I stand by my comments around this being a difficult draft year. Yes there are guys who are already standouts. But we are entering uncharted waters in many areas of the game.
Yeah, this is pretty much how I see it.
 

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They are far more likely to use a lottery system than last years ladder, teams trade their picks on the basis they believe they'll be able to move up the ladder through performance and they don't get the chance to do so.
Melbourne had that chance... Instead they got pumped by a team that finished outside the top 4 last year.
 

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It's not about winning the trade.

Melbourne simply would not have done this trade if they weren't going to get the chance to improve on last years position, they would've just kept the pick.
Again, they did get the chance. And they weren't good enough. Melbourne rolled the dice and it could come back to bite them. Blame your list management staff, not North fans.
 

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