Autopsy North vs. Sydney - smashed in last quarter

[The Nostradamus]

Oh wow and we're about to go 2nd last, fun.

For the 6th straight year

Fire up the priority pick thread

We should also be getting more list spots not less for those worried about that

 

[Disco Dew]

Christ this bugs me. The game goes from being up in the air at three quarter time to dead within the first few minutes of the last quarter with a couple of quick goals. Has happened so many times this year and just isn't excusable.

See I never really felt we were a chance. It was just a matter of when Sydney kicked into gear imo.
The fact remains that we actually were in it (despite my feelings) and then just capitulated. And as you say this happens a lot.
Is it enough for these players to hang around for 3 quarters (or a half, 2 and a half?) and think that’ll cut it?
Or are other teams just toying with us and seeing what they can tinker with before putting the foot down?

I dunno anymore. Frankly, I’m not sure how much longer I can care.

 

[Disco Dew]

Fire up the priority pick thread

It’s not gonna happen but it absolutely should. On one condition, we have to sack our entire draft/list management team.
Fingers crossed hey

 

[scottywiper]

See I never really felt we were a chance. It was just a matter of when Sydney kicked into gear imo.
The fact remains that we actually were in it (despite my feelings) and then just capitulated. And as you say this happens a lot.
Is it enough for these players to hang around for 3 quarters (or a half, 2 and a half?) and think that’ll cut it?
Or are other teams just toying with us and seeing what they can tinker with before putting the foot down?

I dunno anymore. Frankly, I’m not sure how much longer I can care.

Clarko has said we just want to be in games longer. Not great. I think we should prioritise winning

 

[Samsquanch]

alright I’ve slept on it and I’m ready to look for some positives out of yesterdays game.

FOS. This kid man, he is always so composed and uses the ball well.
chuck him in the guts and set and forget I reckon.

That’s all I’ve got

Hardiman.

 

[R00StaR]

Parker, Darling, Daniel, LDU, Simpkin, Logue, Comben, Xerri, Happy Meal, Larkey, Zurhaar are not better?

Its flipping embarrassing that Richmond pass us in year 1 of their rebuild.

But i hear we have way more young talent than them, do we, do we really? And they'll add pick 3 and 4 (atm) to their young gun list while we add 2 picks in the 20s that'll blow out to 30ish in whats considered a very shallow draft.

Tbh i dont look at Whitlock as being the mistake, Daniel is. We should've been taking Whitlock with that pick. Whats more staggering to me about it is that we were given a bunch of second rounders to trade and wasted them all on shitetrucks. We must've had a gamblers mentality of we're due for a win lets try again!

Parker, Konstanty and Darling were only round 3 and 4 picks so not a lot given up ........ BUT it was obvious to anyone that watched the Parker's pace had dropped off enough he was forced out of the Swans mid line up. He plays as a med forward who can pinch hit in the middle, was our need for that type really that high? Its flipping stupid, we have too many of both those already. Slower, under average size, mids and med fwds.

As for Darling, Elmo and Moose can easily play his role. Yeah i know i know, he like Parker offer leadership. Hows that working out? That and our winning culture that cost us Reid.

Its funny, GC went on vacation in our culture building win that cost us Reid and then go on to beat premiership favorites and top of the table Collingwood. Even going way back to the Rayner cup, Brisbane are now reigning premiers and we're still trying to get out of the bottom 4. Look at that 2017 draft, 3 of the first 6 drafted players now longer playing were on our list. Stephenson, Bonar and Will Walker. We've used enormous draft capital that offer the senior team now NOTHING.

As i posted elsewhere, 1 win, some percentage difference and somehow keeping JHF (you bet none of the larger Vic clubs would've lost him) would've resulted in a key forwards in Larkey, Thilthorpe and Cadman. Mids of LDU, JHF, Reid, McKercher and FOS. So good the question isnt talent its how to keep them under the cap.

But it is what it is, and sadly we're a long long way off having the talent required to finish in the top 8 let alone the top 4. We'd need a minor miracle of player improvement over the next few years.

 

[DuckYeah]

For the 6th straight year

Fire up the priority pick thread

We should also be getting more list spots not less for those worried about that

Agree whole heartedly. I cant believe we slammed that priority pick discussion door shut last year, Viney saying “we have the list” … shocking. Hand in your resignation Todd.

Go get Jimmy Bartel

 

[R00StaR]

Clarko has said we just want to be in games longer. Not great. I think we should prioritise winning

Prioritise players who at least have the upside of becoming quality AFL players and a system that can take us to the pointy end.

Theres no way Collingwood have the best list, far from it. However, they do have a well drilled team to play their system.

 

[koshari]

Its flipping embarring that Richmond pass us in year 1 of their rebuild.

But i hear we have way more young talent than them, do we, do we really? And they'll add pick 3 and 4 (atm) to their young gun list while we add 2 picks in the 20s that'll blow out to 30ish in whats considered a very shallow draft.

Tbh i dont look at Whitlock as being the mistake, Daniel is. We should've been taking Whitlock with that pick. Whats more staggering to me about it is that we were given a bunch of second rounders to trade and wasted them all on shitetrucks. We must've had a gamblers mentality of we're due for a win lets try again!

Parker, Konstanty and Darling were only round 3 and 4 picks so not a lot given up ........ BUT it was obvious to anyone that watched the Parker's pace had dropped off enough he was forced out of the Swans mid line up. He plays as a med forward who can pinch hit in the middle, was our need for that type really that high? Its flipping stupid, we have too many of both those already. Slower, under average size, mids and med fwds.

As for Darling, Elmo and Moose can easily play his role. Yeah i know i know, he like Parker offer leadership. Hows that working out? That and our winning culture that cost us Reid.

Its funny, GC went on vacation in our culture building win that cost us Reid and then go on to beat premiership favorites and top of the table Collingwood. Even going way back to the Rayner cup, Brisbane are now reigning premiers and we're still trying to get out of the bottom 4. Look at that 2017 draft, 3 of the first 6 drafted players now longer playing were on our list. Stephenson, Bonar and Will Walker. We've used enormous draft capital that offer the senior team now NOTHING.

As i posted else where, 1 win, some percentage difference and somehow keeping JHF (you bet none of the larger Vic clubs would've lost him) would've resulted in a key forwards in Larkey, Thilthorpe and Cadman. Mids of LDU, JHF, Reid, McKercher and FOS. So good the question isnt talent its how to keep them under the cap.

But it is what it is, and sadly we're a long long way off having the talent required to finish in the top 8 let alone the top 4. We'd need a minor miracle of player improvement over the next few years.

watch their bargain basement gets in taj hotton and jasper alger make our blokes look like ammos.

 

[DuckYeah]

Parker, Konstanty and Darling were only round 3 and 4 picks so not a lot given up ........ BUT it was obvious to anyone that watched the Parker's pace had dropped off enough he was forced out of the Swans mid line up. He plays as a med forward who can pinch hit in the middle, was our need for that type really that high? Its flipping stupid, we have too many of both those already. Slower, under average size, mids and med fwds.

Thats right. I think Parker is great for leadership however he spends far too much time in that midfield. They dynamic of the midfield cannot stay the same every game. All teams enter a different player in the midfield at times. PC in that midfield just for something different. This is why I am so adamant we need new midfield and forward line coaches.

 

[Psychic Roo]

Prioritise players who at least have the upside of becoming quality AFL players and a system that can take us to the pointy end.

Theres no way Collingwood have the best list, far from it. However, they do have a well drilled team to play their system.

I cant believe that the slow ball movement caused by daniel running in circles and kicking it 10 m sideways is part of any viable gameplan. Including ours. But, it pads his DE stats so i guess thats a win

 

[Psychic Roo]

Thats right. I think Parker is great for leadership however he spends far too much time in that midfield. They dynamic of the midfield cannot stay the same every game. All teams enter a different player in the midfield at times. PC in that midfield just for something different. This is why I am so adamant we need new midfield and forward line coaches.

Parker dropped off a cliff last month as well

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Clarko has said we just want to be in games longer. Not great. I think we should prioritise winning

Such a limiting outlook.

 

[R00StaR]

Thats right. I think Parker is great for leadership however he spends far too much time in that midfield. They dynamic of the midfield cannot stay the same every game. All teams enter a different player in the midfield at times. PC in that midfield just for something different. This is why I am so adamant we need new midfield and forward line coaches.

PC yes, CZ no. The later takes an eternity to wind up for a kick. But the problem is deeper than that, its the types of mids we have and Jy's lack of skills are obviously a huge issue.

Just on Simpkin, he hasnt been too bad as a half forward which is surprising, given his shocking field kicking, but his set shots over the past few years have been solid. But again, he's more in that med forward category than a small. No problem with his defensive pressure, he's just not really your small running, front and center type. As a mid/ HB theres just way too many shocking turn overs. Theres not hitting your target, but it ends up a 50/50 and then theres a North turn over.

 

[DuckYeah]

Parker dropped off a cliff last month as well

And allegedly has cooked ribs again. So we are playing midfielders that are injured?

 

[DuckYeah]

PC yes, CZ no. The later takes an eternity to wind up for a kick. But the problem is deeper than that, its the types of mids we have and Jy's lack of skills are obviously a huge issue.

Just on Simpkin, he hasnt been too bad as a half forward which is surprising, given his shocking field kicking, but his set shots over the past few years have been solid. But again, he's more in that med forward category than a small. No problem with his defensive pressure, he's just not really you're small running, front and center type. As a mid/ HB theres just way too many shocking turn overs. Theres not hitting your target, but it ends up a 50/50 and then theres a North turn over.

And you can clearly see that teams are setting up from half back when we have the ball. Its drilled into every team, set up for the North turnover, lol its embarrassing

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Despite having physical tools that few others have, I think we have to move beyond our idea of LDU being the jewell in the “crown” of our midfield.

His 2025 campaign has seen him regress at an alarming rate.

I know that oppo players can hang off him all day, but we are fools if we think he will be the player to stand up in finals or a must-win game.

He is a support act, not the main event. I just don’t know who is headlining atm? Kerch maybe?

LDU, Sheezel, Powell, Simpkin have all been either inconsistent or poor this year.

And really, it’s not good enough.

 

[scottywiper]

Despite having physical tools that few others have, I think we have to move beyond our idea of LDU being the jewell in the “crown” of our midfield.

His 2025 campaign has seen him regress at an alarming rate.

I know that oppo players can hang off him all day, but we are fools if we think he will be the player to stand up in finals or a must-win game.

He is a support act, not the main event. I just don’t know who is headlining atm? Kerch maybe?

LDU, Sheezel, Powell, Simpkin have all been either inconsistent or poor this year.

And really, it’s not good enough.

And yet we keep recruiting small lightly framed mids. Often without pace.

 

[BigRedRoo]

Maybe a new coat of paint will fix it?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

And yet we keep recruiting small lightly framed mids. Often without pace.

Simpkin, Powell, Phillips. Sheezel

All get monstered by moderately sized mids in a contested situation.

Parker. Big frame. Slow.

Wardlaw. Can’t run out an AFL X game.

LDU the only AFL sized mid with agility, power and speed.

Truly mind blowing.

 

[Frank Thring]

Frank Thring Those players on paper are nothing compared to our senior players.

ITS COACHING

How many premierships have ours played in?

 

[Masked Avenger]

Prestia, Taranto, Hopper, Nank, Vlaustin, Broad, Lynch, Short McIntosh, Ross. They are reliable and perform.roles that help the younger players develop.

Spot on. Some are also multiple premiership players.

We'd improve overnight though- if Clarko changed up our forward line mix.

We kept Sydney, last year's GF's and in a solid vein of form, to 7 goals to 3/4 time on their own deck. Dry conditions too.

Our forward line set up is diabolical - 4 tweeners in PC/CZ/Darling/Harvey.

So easy to defend against. All are slow too.

We got 3 goals out of them - and the majority from the kid who's barely played 5 games.

 

[DuckYeah]

How many premierships have ours played in?

Parker, Darling, Daniel, Corr played in a GF team, Konstanty and stephens on a GF team list.

Whataboutism. Those players are not as good as ours

 

[DuckYeah]

Spot on. Some are also multiple premiership players.

We'd improve overnight though- if Clarko changed up our forward line mix.

We kept Sydney, last year Premiers and in a solid vein of form, to 7 goals to 3/4 time on their own deck. Dry conditions too.

Our forward line set up is diabolical - 4 tweeners in PC/CZ/Darling/Harvey.

So easy to defend against. All are slow too.

We got 3 goals out of them - and the majority from the kid who's barely played 5 games.

You dont think inside 50’s impacted our forwards ability? The ball broke down across half forward.

I would suggest the pressure from the forwards was elite in the first 3/4.

Your argument is flawed.

Its coaching.

 

[Masked Avenger]

You dont think inside 50’s impacted our forwards ability? The ball broke down across half forward.

I would suggest the pressure from the forwards was elite in the first 3/4.

Your argument is flawed.

Its coaching.

So your elite forward pressure created 5 goals in three quarters on a dry deck. Not to mention the smallest deck in the league.

The main function of a forward is to kick goals from memory.