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The Kangaroos (AKA North) deserve to be more successful off the field given the fantastic achievements of their football department, but despite their hard-earned success look in more strife as an entity than ever.

Part of this situation has been the club's failure to excite any kind of niche market out in 'supporter-land', let alone capture the imagination of a sizeable portion of the general footy population.

North Melbourne joined the AFL (then VFL) at the same time as Hawthorn and Footscray. Here lies the key comparison and the core of North’s problem.

Footscray has always targeted itself squarely at its working class roots, and has captured a solid and loyal market of working poor supporters. These people may have little money, but see football as the cornerstone of their life's entertainment, and continue to back up that ethic with a strong commitment to their club.

Importantly Footscray (now the Western Bulldogs) have resisted the urge to forsake that solid core by chasing other (on the surface more lucrative) markets, and the Dogs appear to have a much firmer footing overall than the Roos because of it.

Hawthorn also targeted a specific spectator niche and has remained reasonably true to it as well. The middle/upper middle class family heart of Hawthorn has served the club well, particularly when it looked in serious trouble a few years ago. This may have been part of the reason the Official Hawthorn Cheer Squad ejected the sleazy, anti-family elements that had infested it after the 80s (this bunch of practicing guttersnipes later formed the ‘Rebel Hawthorn Cheersquad’).

North, on the other hand seems to have attempted to re-invent itself every other year and whatever were its roots have been long forgotten.

Early on it was a working class suburban club, then became the ‘Corporate/shareholders club’, then Sydney’s other team, and now a kind of country/NSW hybrid. Each change has further diluted what club character North once had.

Truth be known, in terms of character and identity, North is the ‘Carey club’ and nothing else now.

Even the partial ownership by Carlton is part of the problem, even though on the surface Carlton have effectively given the Kangaroos an interest-free loan. Just as Carlton are now more popular in North Melbourne (the suburb) than the Roos, the Carlton share of the Kangaroos is almost symbolic of North’s loss of identity, even if the ownership itself is of more financial benefit to the Kangaroos than it is and has been for Carlton.

The way I see it, the challenge for North, the Kangaroos, whoever, is to actually decide on what identity it wants, AND STICK TO IT, NO MATTER THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM PAIN. If North wants to become Sydney’s second team, it should move there outright. If it wants to do the same, but in Canberra, it should do it 100%. If it wants to stay in Melbourne, then play every game in Melbourne – and work to find a niche in Melbourne that is not owned by some other club.

At the moment, North are a club without a home or personality, and as such are a club without a future. Better off to just make a decision and stick to it, even if that puts the club in short-term jeopardy, because they are DEAD in the long term unless they can create a market niche somewhere.

And developing that market and cementing in peoples minds a club ‘personality’ will take at least 5-10 years.

South Melbourne bit the bullet, and survive as Sydney - Hawthorn bit the bullet, and have remained as Hawthorn.

North must make a decision now and make it fast, because the next 're-invention' will be its last.

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What they need is a few Big Corporate Sponsors!!!

Pity Australia is heading into a recession???


THE ICON
 
Shed

Overall a pretty good post - no immature snipes, no Nyah Nyah Nyahs, no good riddance hope you choke stuff.

North are trying to push a "tradition of innovation"(their words not mine) culture and are not scared to try new things. Some good (Friday night footy, grand final breakfast), some not so good (personally - home games away). A lot of this stems from need to survive basis, some not. However a lot of these innovations are jeered at by other clubs, journo's, other supporters etc UNTIL they become popular and then we are stampeded in the rush!!

For example I still laugh at David Smorgon (and apologies for picking out the Bullies westy boy!) lauding his club's "new innovation" at playing a home game in Sydney last year!!

I much rather my club taking the bit between the teeth, copping some (a lot) of sh!t on the way and TRYING things rather than sitting dead in the water!


My 2 cents

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There is no doubting that the Kangaroo’s predicament is dire. This would have been known by their management for some period now. This would explain the attempts to better market themselves in their many forms.

I feel the key problem with these attempts is that they are only short term solutions – that there has been no apparent long term plan they have worked too. I also believe that their long term future does not lie in Melbourne and that they are right to explore options in Sydney and Canberra. I believe that the execution of these ventures has been flawed.

As suggested by ‘shed’, the Kangaroos must decide on a long term strategy and stick with it – this is the flaw with both the Sydney and Canberra ventures.

I am not so convinced on the argument about selling out their identity. They still appear to me as the battling innovative club that they’ve been for the past 20 or so years. I just feel with this uncertainty over their future and their sporadic raids on other cities has disillusioned some supporters.

Sydney has shown us that – despite initial disappointment – supporters will remain true to their team in the event of relocation. If the Kangaroos were to target a market of strategic importance to the AFL and go at it full bore then they will have their best chance of becoming viable and would probably be financially supported by the AFL.

At a similar point in their history, Fitzroy had the option of moving to Brisbane on their own terms. Ultimately they rejected this move which has led to their much diminished existence.


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[This message has been edited by CJH (edited 07 March 2001).]
 
Originally posted by Shinboners:
You have to wonder if Icon remembers the number of North supporters who put money into the Richmond tins when the Tigers were asking for help in the late80s/early 90s.


There are many Richmond folk who have not forgotten the support received from opposition clubs.

This support should be reciprocated.


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Unfortunately, it seems as though the traditional methods for generating money are now becoming out-dated. Take the pokies for example, the Gvt. crack down has had an affect on Melbourne, and even the Roys, who recently tried to set up a gaming venue in the City of Yarra.

Any ideas on the next new innovation for generating profits that will work for clubs with low supporter bases?
 
Originally posted by Olmy:
Unfortunately, it seems as though the traditional methods for generating money are now becoming out-dated. Take the pokies for example, the Gvt. crack down has had an affect on Melbourne, and even the Roys, who recently tried to set up a gaming venue in the City of Yarra.

Any ideas on the next new innovation for generating profits that will work for clubs with low supporter bases?

The pokie crackdown is only restricted to Victoria - why can't clubs set up gaming operations in other states?

Players have been setting themselves up in franchised businesses selling AFL merchandise - what is stopping the clubs from setting up these for their own benefit?

What about web-based businesses? On-line gambling?

Just a few random thoughts!



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Interstate operations . . . definitely something worth considering, but then you get back to Shed's original point (although, in an abstract manner).

Web-based business? Considering that 90% or so of the web's business is x-rated, you might find a few clubs are reluctant to buy into that one (Collingwood will probably give it a shot though).

Even one-off promotional money-spinners are wearing thin now. Consider North's 'Orange' jumper last season. Sure, got them a nice earner at the time. Who are Orange sponsoring now? (And I'm not saying that to have a go - I wish Orange were sponsoring the Roos, after what they made them do).

These one off money spinners do nothing but reduce a club's integrity. Selling your jumper, or your name, or your player's name (in the case of Hocking), not only comes off as a desperate attempt to chase funds (in the effort to match the big-boys), but also gets off-side with those supporters who pay money to see the club as it actually is.

I rue the day that we see the official AFL saying: Hyundai Blues v Mazda Roos @ Colonial Stadium.

One thing with the Roos is, they don't have much to bargain with, in terms of home ground naming rights. Similarly, the fact that they've sold their jumper out once, makes the prospect less lucrative for the next possible sponsor.
 
Originally posted by Olmy:
I wish Orange were sponsoring the Roos, after what they made them do).

I didn't know Orange forced the Roos to put on a new jumper for a game.

I've always thought it was the Kangroos that made that decision.
 
Moving to Canberra or Sydney is not a solution. Neither is a viable marketplace for either a scond team (in Sydney's case) or as the town's team (the City of Geelong struggles to support it's traditional team)in the case of Canberra. Playing a few of their less lucrative home games in Canberra is part of the solution but obviously only a minor part. It's a pity that North hasn't received the financial rewards it has deserved for its consistent excellence on the field.

If North does die the AFL will lose a significant asset and a sizable supporter base.
 

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Shed.
Norths position is no more dire than a number of other Melbourne clubs. Both Richmond and the Dogs made substantial losses this year and they were only reduced by substantial one off donations to the Dogs and a $200K special payment to Richmond. Geelongs position is still tenuous despite what they claim and Stkilda and Hawthorn are just breaking even. Melbournes position would be even more dire if not for Joe's input. It is not a North problem it is a Melbourne clubs problem.

The major reason for Norths loss last year was
a - Sydney experiement, easier in hindsight but it was and still is a long term strategy that the club has forgone in the short term to keep cashflow at a sustainable level in the short term.

b) The dismantling of the equalisation fund and the licence to print cash that the so called big four get every year by playing each other twice. North's income from gate receipts last year was only 30 thousand. Yes 30 thousand. It is quoted that either Essendon or Collingwood make $800 thou from the Anzac day clash (puts the 1.1 million loss into perspective). Fair enough, they started the idea why shouldn't they keep it? For the same reason that North started Friday night football and where we used draw on average around 40,000 to a game we have lost this to clubs such as Richmond. We now have to play Frematlne or West Coast out at Optus oval to support Carlton.

The two main resons for the loss will not happen this year. The Canberra games are underwritten by Corportate support and the favourable draw in terms of who we play in Melbourne will see a substantial rise in revenue.


We will see what happens at the end of this year when other Melbourne clubs are in a similiar position.
 
Originally posted by CJH:
There is no doubting that the Kangaroo’s predicament is dire.

It is no more dire than StKilda and Bulldogs both made better by one of payments to goto Coloniel, Geelong (dodgy accounting to change a 6 million debt to a 3 million debt), Melbourne (massive influx of money from Joe),Hawthorn & StKilda (massive payment from the AFL to move from Waverly).

It is a Melbourne based club problem. Every club is just hanging out for someone else to dissappear. In twelve months time it will be somebody els eunder the microscope.
 
Smorgan, Gutnick, Gudinski etc all North need to do is to start hanging around a synagogue.
 
Originally posted by choppyhard:


It is a Melbourne based club problem. Every club is just hanging out for someone else to dissappear. In twelve months time it will be somebody else under the microscope.


You may not have to wait 12 months Choppy. Today's papers report Melbourne having a $1M deficit to start the season, plus Joe has his own problems at the moment. The Demons could well be under the spotlight at the end of the year.

P.S I don't draw any joy from that situation, by the way, but it serves to highlight how tenuous an existence some of the Melbourne clubs lead.
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[This message has been edited by Carey_is_King (edited 07 March 2001).]
 
Originally posted by Shinboners:
You have to wonder if Icon remembers the number of North supporters who put money into the Richmond tins when the Tigers were asking for help in the late80s/early 90s.

Daphnie didn't... not you Daph the Richmond one... you know I think he may be related to that Ugle ****.... whats's her name...
 
didnt they sack oconner because he said all the melbourne clubs couldnt survive in melbourne?
didnt he just state the bleeding obvious?
 

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Originally posted by choppyhard:
Fair enough, they started the idea why shouldn't they keep it?

No, they did not start the idea. Once all clubs had a go at Anzac day. But Ess & Coll, thru Sheedy pushing the idea hijacked Anzac Day and turned it into a 'traditional' clash.
The other clubs accepted it as the money generated went into the equalisation pool.

But as there is now no equalisation fund, all Clubs should be entitled to go at Anzac Day.

[This message has been edited by croode (edited 08 March 2001).]
 

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