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Season review, AFL Fantasy Price movement 2016-Bulldogs.
Increase..
#1- Josh Dunkley + $ 248,000
#2- Marcus Adams + $ 152,000
#3- Clay Smith + $ 103,000
#4- Caleb Daniel + $ 90,000
#5- Bailey Williams + $ 79,000
#6- Zaine Cordy + $ 69,000
#7- Tom Campbell + $ 60,000
#8- Nathan Hrovat + $ 53,000
#9- Toby McLean + $ 48,000
#10- Bailey Dale + $ 42,000
#11- Robert Murphy + $ 40,000
#12- Lin Jong + $ 39,000
#13- Jason Johannisen + $ 34,000
#14- Lachie Hunter + $ 30,000
#15- Marcus Bontempelli + $ 23,000
#16- Jordan Roughead + $ 16,000
#17- Mitch Honeychurch + $ 14,000
#18- Roarke Smith + $ 10,000
#19- Tom Boyd + $ 2,000

Decrease..
#1- Liam Picken - $ 125,000
#2- Jake Stringer - $ 118,000
#3- Luke Dahlhaus - $ 113,000
#4- Mitch Wallis - $ 111,000
#5- Jackson Macrae - $ 95,000
#6- Matthew Boyd - $ 87,000
#7- Easton Wood - $ 77,000
#8- Matthew Suckling - $ 67,000
#9- Tory Dickson - $ 67,000
#10- Jed Adcock - $ 67,000
#11- Tom Liberatore - $ 65,000
#12- Koby Stevens - $ 50,000
#13- Joel Hamling - $ 39,000
#14- Fletcher Roberts - $ 33,000
#15- Will Minson - $ 31,000
#16- Dale Morris - $ 31,000
#17- Lukas Webb - $ 30,000
#18- Shane Biggs - $ 27,000
#19- Jack Redpath - $ 16,000
#20- Kieran Collins - $ 3,000

Meh..
Josh Prudden $ 236,000
Brad Lynch $ 125,000
Declan Hamilton $ 125,000
Luke Goetz $ 125,000
Stewart Crameri (N/A)

So what does all that say about season 2016, anything at all ?
Drop off in the mid-tier, stalled development spreading of the
load to accommodate Liberatore. I don't want to lead the
witness, but it's all there in black and white.
 

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Season review, AFL Fantasy Price movement 2016-Bulldogs.
Increase..
#1- Josh Dunkley + $ 248,000
#2- Marcus Adams + $ 152,000
#3- Clay Smith + $ 103,000
#4- Caleb Daniel + $ 90,000
#5- Bailey Williams + $ 79,000
#6- Zaine Cordy + $ 69,000
#7- Tom Campbell + $ 60,000
#8- Nathan Hrovat + $ 53,000
#9- Toby McLean + $ 48,000
#10- Bailey Dale + $ 42,000
#11- Robert Murphy + $ 40,000
#12- Lin Jong + $ 39,000
#13- Jason Johannisen + $ 34,000
#14- Lachie Hunter + $ 30,000
#15- Marcus Bontempelli + $ 23,000
#16- Jordan Roughead + $ 16,000
#17- Mitch Honeychurch + $ 14,000
#18- Roarke Smith + $ 10,000
#19- Tom Boyd + $ 2,000

Decrease..
#1- Liam Picken - $ 125,000
#2- Jake Stringer - $ 118,000
#3- Luke Dahlhaus - $ 113,000
#4- Mitch Wallis - $ 111,000
#5- Jackson Macrae - $ 95,000
#6- Matthew Boyd - $ 87,000
#7- Easton Wood - $ 77,000
#8- Matthew Suckling - $ 67,000
#9- Tory Dickson - $ 67,000
#10- Jed Adcock - $ 67,000
#11- Tom Liberatore - $ 65,000
#12- Koby Stevens - $ 50,000
#13- Joel Hamling - $ 39,000
#14- Fletcher Roberts - $ 33,000
#15- Will Minson - $ 31,000
#16- Dale Morris - $ 31,000
#17- Lukas Webb - $ 30,000
#18- Shane Biggs - $ 27,000
#19- Jack Redpath - $ 16,000
#20- Kieran Collins - $ 3,000

Meh..
Josh Prudden $ 236,000
Brad Lynch $ 125,000
Declan Hamilton $ 125,000
Luke Goetz $ 125,000
Stewart Crameri (N/A)

So what does all that say about season 2016, anything at all ?
Drop off in the mid-tier, stalled development spreading of the
load to accommodate Liberatore. I don't want to lead the
witness, but it's all there in black and white.
The AA-squad member Matt Boyd goes down $87,000.
Another who probably should have been in the squad, Morris, goes down $31,000. Picken who has been one of our most consistently valuable players goes down $125,000.
Bailey Dale who played four very ordinary games early in the season, didn't return and didn't even impress in the VFL until last week goes up $42,000.

I don't follow this AFL Fantasy stuff but those movements don't say much for the credibility of their prices.

Unless of course they were starting at very skewed values back in March. In which case the fact that they could have been so far out of whack pre-season further undermines its credibility.

I'll post the AFL ratings movements over the season if anyone is interested.
 

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I'm in Europe for most of the finals. I'm subscribed to the AFL app, but from memory that doesn't work OS?? Any ideas how I can watch the games?
If you aren't able to watch cable at a pub, I'd look into some online streaming sites.

I used to watch some afl games, champions league, etc when I lived in the UK with Sopcast. There is a stack out there, some of them should show AFL.
 

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The AA-squad member Matt Boyd goes down $87,000.
Another who probably should have been in the squad, Morris, goes down $31,000. Picken who has been one of our most consistently valuable players goes down $125,000.
Bailey Dale who played four very ordinary games early in the season, didn't return and didn't even impress in the VFL until last week goes up $42,000.

I don't follow this AFL Fantasy stuff but those movements don't say much for the credibility of their prices.

Unless of course they were starting at very skewed values back in March. In which case the fact that they could have been so far out of whack pre-season further undermines its credibility.

I'll post the AFL ratings movements over the season if anyone is interested.
I did the price fluctuations for the All Australian squad as well and it was
interesting reading. AFL fantasy measures output over the year what
you can garner from those movements is pretty open to interpretation
as are champion data ratings and any ratings that don't factor in a
change in a players role the subtle changes in game plan etc. Some
players start from a low base Dunkley etc, some players get changed
results due to Liberatore coming back in Picken and most of the mids.
Players don't all play the same number of games or spend the same
time on the ground so it's hard to judge apples and apples any gauge
of a players value at round 1 compared to round 23 is valuable and
quite easily explained really. At least i did not use Supercoach.;)
 

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The AA-squad member Matt Boyd goes down $87,000.
Another who probably should have been in the squad, Morris, goes down $31,000. Picken who has been one of our most consistently valuable players goes down $125,000.
Bailey Dale who played four very ordinary games early in the season, didn't return and didn't even impress in the VFL until last week goes up $42,000.

I don't follow this AFL Fantasy stuff but those movements don't say much for the credibility of their prices.

Unless of course they were starting at very skewed values back in March. In which case the fact that they could have been so far out of whack pre-season further undermines its credibility.

I'll post the AFL ratings movements over the season if anyone is interested.
They are pretty irrelevant

Pricing on each player is based on their current form - usually the average of their last 3 games

so it is no indication of a players whole season
 

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They are pretty irrelevant

Pricing on each player is based on their current form - usually the average of their last 3 games

so it is no indication of a players whole season
Those fluctuations are from round one to round 23 not based on 3 rounds
comparing players prices now that is stupid, it is all about an individual
and the measurement of their output over the season various factors
such as injury and role as well as being tagged have to be factored in.
If i were computer savvy i could do a lovely flow chart, but if you wish
to scroll back the prices at rounds 6, 12, 18, and 23 are all there. And
the All Australian squad price fluctuations are on the All Aust thread.
 

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Why don't you ask a few Indigenous people if it's offensive? Ie the people it actually affects, rather than applying your world view on to it? I mean NicNat himself said it is offensive to certain ethnic groups. Isn't that enough for you?

Getting sick of (presumably) white people trying to say what should and shouldn't constitute racism. How about you connect with the people this actually affects and listen to what they say about it? I mean, there's enough out there already to know how and why blackface is racist. All it takes is a bit of understanding and empathy to remove these kind of ignorant views. It's not that hard.
4 indigenous kids at my footy club and all of them said its ridiculous this is even an issue.

A kid dressing like his hero is a compliment not a racist slap.

One of the boys actually said its fantastic a "white" kids looks at a coloured man as his hero.

This is not blackface which is a complete different issue mate.
 
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I suspect NicNat intended to take it as a compliment, but was prodded by the AFL to make a statement of disapproval.
Haha a conspiracy theory!!! Must be!!! Who could believe a black man actually being offended by blackface?!?!

Fk me, I read stuff like this and just think, far out we have a long way to go.
 

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Why don't you ask a few Indigenous people if it's offensive? Ie the people it actually affects, rather than applying your world view on to it? I mean NicNat himself said it is offensive to certain ethnic groups. Isn't that enough for you?

Getting sick of (presumably) white people trying to say what should and shouldn't constitute racism. How about you connect with the people this actually affects and listen to what they say about it? I mean, there's enough out there already to know how and why blackface is racist. All it takes is a bit of understanding and empathy to remove these kind of ignorant views. It's not that hard.
Settle down pettle everybody is entitled to a view and ripping into me and calling me ignorant.

I'm entitled to the view that this kid wanted to be like his hero and he had zero malice or racism in his intention. The core to everything should be the intent behind it.

I find it insane the world we live in today where a kid trying to be like his hero is trashed through the media for being racist, yet a kid is dressed as Ben cousins with powder around his nose and gets almost zero attention.

Your statement about if indigenous find it offensive it's racism is a whole different topic cause if I was offended by something indigenous people didn't find offensive and said you can't have an opinion as it doesn't offend you then that would be classed as racist yet, because this issue and situation doesn't personally involve my skin colour then I'm not entitled to an opinion is a form of racism but one that is acceptable. And yes my skin colour is white but that should have no baring on my right to an opinion on the issue so maybe discuss the issue rather than tell people they can't have an opinion based on their skin colour

This is a forum for people to give their opinions and have a discussion if you can't handle a difference of opinion then don't come on a forum.
 

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4 indigenous kids at my footy club and all of them said its ridiculous this is web an issue.

A kid dressing like his hero is a compliment not a racist slap.

One of the boys actually said its fantastic a "white" kids looks at a coloured man as his hero.

This is not blackface which is a complete different issue mate.
Don't often agree with you md but do on this and it all comes back to the intent behind the action
 

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Not blackface?? Not going to go there but I think you need to do some googling.

On your other points though...

If I find 4 people who do find it offensive (it won't be hard), does that nullify your point? Different people find different things offensive. Some indigenous people might find being called a black fella racist/offensive, others might not. In this case your 4 friends may just not care or they may not know of the historical context of blackface. What percentage of a marginalised group have to find it offensive before wider society considers it so? To me if one person finds it offensive, I'm not going to do it. We already know it's a whole lot more than just 1 person that finds blackface offensive/racist. It's not that hard to just not paint your face black. There have been enough instances now (https://www.buzzfeed.com/allanclark...th-blackface?utm_term=.nkqxp0leW4#.xfJ9n35bNd) that ignorance is no longer a valid excuse.
No it's isn't blackface because this child is doing it to emulate his hero and NOTHING other than that. What is primarily hero worship has been turned into a racist issue and it crap. And EVERY example you gave where adults and a few of them were clearly racial slurs. dreasin up to honour someone is not a racist slap and anyone that thinks that needs to have a bloody hard look at themselves IMO. The whole world isn't racist and every act made isn't racially motivated.

For clarification these young men at my club are players I they are not friends per se and the group brought it up and they had their input and all to a man said it was nothing and their families thought it was a little bit "silly" to carry on over it(there words not mine)

I said before when I was young I used to very young I used to rub kid on my face and try to be Wally Bamblett, is that blackface also??

To draw a bow between a kid dressing up to be his hero and a centuries old racist belittling is ridiculous.

And unlike you I don't think one persons offense is a problem, when the greater majority think it's offensive then I will concern myself, but the huge majority negative backlash from black and white together about how ridiculous this is tells me more than an old man yelling at clouds coz they are white
 

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The point getting missed isn't whether boa face is or is not racist the point people are making is that this kid doesn't deserve this media backlash for simply trying to be his hero.

This kid has had his photo plastered all over the news and with it the word racist and racism and you can say he wasn't named and his face wasn't shown but every single person at his school and in his community know who he is and kids have seen this kid they know on the news with racist and racism attached. Imagine what this kid is going through after all that media just for trying to dress up as his hero.

Not sure about anyone else but I find that really sad that we live in a world like that
 

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No it's isn't blackface because this child is doing it to emulate his hero and NOTHING other than that. What is primarily hero worship has been turned into a racist issue and it crap. And EVERY example you gave where adults and a few of them were clearly racial slurs. dreasin up to honour someone is not a racist slap and anyone that thinks that needs to have a bloody hard look at themselves IMO. The whole world isn't racist and every act made isn't racially motivated.

For clarification these young men at my club are players I they are not friends per se and the group brought it up and they had their input and all to a man said it was nothing and their families thought it was a little bit "silly" to carry on over it(there words not mine)

I said before when I was young I used to very young I used to rub kid on my face and try to be Wally Bamblett, is that blackface also??

To draw a bow between a kid dressing up to be his hero and a centuries old racist belittling is ridiculous.

And unlike you I don't think one persons offense is a problem, when the greater majority think it's offensive then I will concern myself, but the huge majority negative backlash from black and white together about how ridiculous this is tells me more than an old man yelling at clouds coz they are white
1. You have absolutely no idea know what blackface is. Nothing more to say there.
2. In this instance, the mother is at fault. No blame should be put on to the kid (as Nic Nat said). So it is an adult, like the other examples.
3. An act can be racist without being racially motivated.

Based on point 1 above, there's no point in continuing this conversation.
 
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The point getting missed isn't whether boa face is or is not racist the point people are making is that this kid doesn't deserve this media backlash for simply trying to be his hero.

This kid has had his photo plastered all over the news and with it the word racist and racism and you can say he wasn't named and his face wasn't shown but every single person at his school and in his community know who he is and kids have seen this kid they know on the news with racist and racism attached. Imagine what this kid is going through after all that media just for trying to dress up as his hero.

Not sure about anyone else but I find that really sad that we live in a world like that
It's a shame for the kid. Blame the mother who had concerns about how it would likely be construed and did it anyway. As I said, ignorance is not an excuse anymore. Just zero fks given basically.
 

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Don't often agree with you md but do on this and it all comes back to the intent behind the action
Sorry but no. It's quite easy to say something racist without meaning to. We've all done it. Doesn't make it any less racist or hurtful to those affected.

This is a key thing people need to understand for progress to be made.
 

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Generally I see ethnocentrism as a form of white privilege in this country. I apologise if this view is offensive to you mike.
What is "white"?
Is it someone of British/Irish heritage? Is it someone of European heritage? Is it just the colour of someone's skin?

You feel that you can be the arbiter of what is "white" and whether that confers some magical privilege to an individual.
Not that long ago my father was called a dirty wog by police and even the teachers at school, I have lost jobs because I looked "too European" and not even given a look in because I grew up poor and from Footscray. But under your ignorant and simplistic worldview my skin colour would see me as privileged.
Class is the only real privilege. And ignorant people like you need to check theirs. Don't ignore people's lived experience because you think everyone who looks like you has lived like you.
 

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Our education system has created a culture of post Christian post modern Nuffies.

Never saying anything offensive doesn't make you a smart person or a better person, it doesn't even make you a sensitive person - it just confirms your compliant timidity to the popular fashion.

It doesn't mean you understand anything at all. The same people who today obsess over not crossing some PC line - possess the self same unthinking psychology of those who were most compliant to our racist past. This is self same mindlessness which burns witches and demonizes others. The fact that it is inverted for supposed good purpose doesn't rescue this mindlessness.

Arguements based on hurt feelings, insensitive words! What we are propagating is neurotics and cry babies.

There are people who are homeless, poor, suffering terminal illness, physically abused, addicted, and crushed in a million different ways. People who dream that the worst they had to endure was a verbal slight.
 
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