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Discussion in 'Western Bulldogs' started by Hard Ball Get, Oct 12, 2009.

  1. Yojimbo

    Yojimbo Norm Smith Medallist

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    It does not help at all this year in round one we had one of our best age spreads and we got pumped by 82 points.
    Round 1- (85 to 90) x 4, (91 to 94) x 8, (95 to 99) x 10 = Biggest loss, our wins were as follows.
    Round 3- (85 to 90) x 4, (91 to 94) x 6, (95 to 99) x 12 = Win
    Round 6- (85 to 90) x 2, (91 to 94) x 7, (95 to 99) x 13 = Win
    Round 7- (85 to 90) x 1, (91 to 94) x 7, (95 to 99) x 14 = Win
    Round 8- (85 to 90) x 1, (91 to 94) x 6, (95 to 99) x 15 = Win
    Round 15- (82 to 90) x 2, (91 to 94) x 7, (95 to 99) x 13 = Win
    Round 20- (82 to 90) x 4, (91 to 94) x 6, (95 to 99) x 12 = Win
    Round 21- (82 to 90) x 4, (91 to 94) x 6, (95 to 99) x 12 = Win
    Round 22- (82 to 90) x 5, (91 to 94) x 6, (95 to 99) x 11 = Win

    Here are the four Prelim Teams just for some comparative value.
    Collingwood- (87 to 90) x 6, (91 to 94) x 10, (95 to 99) x 6.
    Richmond- (88 to 90) x 6, (91 to 94) x 11, (95 to 99) x 5.
    Melbourne- (86 to 90) x 4, (91 to 94) x 8, (95 to 99) x 10.
    West Coast- (86 to 90) x 7, (91 to 94) x 8, (95 to 99) x 7.

    Another interesting factoid of the 2018 season was only five teams kicked more Behinds than Goals they
    were GWS, St Klida, Bulldogs, Gold Coast and Carlton. Of our 14 losses for the year in 8 of them we did
    not score 60 points which was poor we also conceded 100 points in 8 of the losses. We played 13 games
    at Marvel Stadium for 7 wins and played 9 games elsewhere for 1 win versus GC at Mars. I would give
    you more in depth stats, but we would never win another game.
     

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  2. NSWCROW

    NSWCROW TheBrownDog

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    Just showed the 99 comeback vs my mob

    40 down at 3qt....................
    UGH.jpg
     
  3. Fossie 32

    Fossie 32 Premium Platinum

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    Nowhere near as annoying as your 97 comeback :eek:
     
  4. bobs head soup

    bobs head soup All Australian

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    Classic match currently on fox footy. North v dogs 2000. North 43 points up just before half time, scores level 3/4 time. Great attacking footy.
     
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  5. Yojimbo

    Yojimbo Norm Smith Medallist

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    Metres Gained Dux and Dunce (Minimum 5 Games)

    Richmond: Jayden Short 522.83, Nathan Broad 134.72
    West Coast: Elliot Yeo 478.60, Nathan Vardy 95.50
    Collingwood: Tom Phillips 434.92, Darcy Moore 123.00
    Hawthorn: James Sicily 519.38, Ben McEvoy 74.84
    Melbourne: Angus Brayshaw 473.64, Neville Jetta 146.80
    Sydney: Jake Lloyd 493.39, Tom McCartin 127.20
    GWS: Heath Shaw 498.45, Dawson Simpson 74.22
    Geelong: Gary Ablett 462.26, Esava Ratugolea 116.75

    North Melbourne: Shaun Higgins 469.15, Kayne Turner 117.82
    Port Adelaide: Jared Polec 490.55, Aidyn Johnson 95.60
    Essendon: Dyson Heppell 413.18, Joshua Begley 112.00
    Adelaide: Paul Seedsman 492.32, Andy Otten 159.75
    Western Bulldogs: Matthew Suckling 454.73, Dale Morris 81.09
    Fremantle: Nathan Wilson 503.29, Scott Jones 52.80
    Brisbane: Tom Cutler 430.17, Oscar McInerney 100.50
    St Kilda: Seb Ross 472.67, Billy Longer 42.60
    Gold Coast: Lachie Weller 408.36, Jacob Heron 78.25
    Carlton: Kade Simpson 469.43, Andrew Phillips 76.80

    Metres Gained Ladder (Total and Average)

    Demons: 151,813 from 25 Games (6,072.50)
    Magpies: 151,118 from 26 Games (5,812.20)
    Tigers: 146,117 from 24 Games (6,088.20)
    Eagles: 144,881 from 25 Games (5,795.20)
    Giants: 144,587 from 24 Games (6,024.50)
    Cats: 133,441 from 23 Games (5,801.80)
    Swans: 130,903 from 23 Games (5,691.40)
    Crows: 130,771 from 22 Games (5,944.10)

    Hawks: 130,480 from 24 Games (5,436.70)
    Power: 125,884 from 22 Games (5,722.00)
    Bombers: 125,491 from 22 Games (5,704.10)
    Lions: 120,982 from 22 Games (5,499.20)
    Kangaroos: 120,923 from 22 Games (5,496.50)
    Saints: 120,174 from 22 Games (5,462.40)
    Bulldogs: 119,114 from 22 Games (5,414.30)
    Suns: 119,105 from 22 Games (5,413.90)
    Dockers: 118,208 from 22 Games (5,373.10)
    Blues: 108,323 from 22 Games (4,923.80)

    Another fascinating journey of epic proportions.
     
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  6. dogwatch

    dogwatch Premium Platinum

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    So in fact the ladder per game played is
    1 Richmond
    2 Melbourne
    3 GWS
    4 Crows
    etc
    Grand finalists were 5th & 7th. Premiers were 7th.
    Intriguing.
    What does that tell us? That metres gained is not as critical a measure as some would have us believe?
     
  7. Fossie 32

    Fossie 32 Premium Platinum

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    Need a prevention of metres gained ladder for Dale
     
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  8. dogwatch

    dogwatch Premium Platinum

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    Also, is there a ladder for opposition-most-metres-gained?
     
  9. Yojimbo

    Yojimbo Norm Smith Medallist

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    The combination of all the key stats when added to a teams game style can make any team able to bury a few stats and
    still win games and dominate. Richmond and the Dogs both lacked ruck dominance, but hid it brilliantly to win the flag.
    West Coast are not a volume side, but their kicking with Shannon Hurn was very efficient and can slice through the
    modern press and team defence. There is more than one way to skin a cat, but if the basic numbers are against you
    then you must get lucky or fudge games to win.
     
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  10. Yojimbo

    Yojimbo Norm Smith Medallist

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    Richmond: 146,117 For 136,444 Against
    West Coast: 144,881 For 141,420 Against
    Collingwood: 151,118 For 143,808 Against
    Hawthorn: 130,480 For 130,171 Against
    Melbourne: 151,813 For 140,313 Against
    Sydney: 130,903 For 126,410 Against
    GWS: 144,587 For 138,249 Against
    Geelong: 133,441 For 129,296 Against

    North Melbourne: 120,923 For 120,302 Against
    Port Adelaide: 125,884 For 123,686 Against
    Essendon: 125,491 For 121,542 Against
    Adelaide: 130,771 For 128,710 Against
    Western Bulldogs: 119,114 For 124,832 Against
    Fremantle: 118,208 For 126,880 Against
    Brisbane: 120,982 For 123,574 Against
    St Kilda: 120,714 For 125,493 Against
    Gold Coast: 119,105 For 135,847 Against
    Carlton: 108,323 For 125,338 Against

    I will let you work out the averages, dog-watch.
     
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  11. Arkangel

    Arkangel Team Captain

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    What do whole-team metres gained statistics actually tell us? I think the only useful information we get from them is how free-flowing the games that team was involved in were. Differentials in metres gained strike me as essentially meaningless, because there are only two ways a team can gain more metres than their opponent: Kicking a goal, or having the siren happen to go when the ball is in their forward half. In the former case, this makes metres gained an imperfect measurement of something we already have a perfect measurement of; and in the latter it seems to me that proportion of time in forward half would be a more useful measure of a similar underlying variable (i.e., territorial dominance).

    Metres gained per player, on the other hand, provides a bit more utility in terms of seeing what individual players’ contributions to territorial gains are.

    Does that make sense? Or am I missing something?
     
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  12. Yojimbo

    Yojimbo Norm Smith Medallist

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    The top twelve teams all have more metres for than against and interestingly all had percentages over 100 on the ladder
    the bottom six teams all have less metres for and more against and all had percentages under 100 on the ladder. I use
    or have used cumulative points to measure games as well, both teams scores added up. Our two wet games against
    Adelaide and Port Adelaide netted our worst cumulative scores of 89 points and 112 points the next two lowest
    cumulative scores where our two wins against Carlton 139 points and 115 points. Our two games against North
    Melbourne were interesting the first a loss had a cumulative score of 152 points where as the second a win had a
    cumulative score of 177 points. Statistics are great and often mirror exactly what your eye sees, but it is a mistake
    to try to pin a total assessment on one set of statistics when there are so many variables in the game.
     

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  13. fpcookie

    fpcookie Premiership Player

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    Successful teams with lower average meters gained could have high centre clearance and forward entry efficiency.
     
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  14. Struggle

    Struggle Norm Smith Medallist

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    Bulldogs have the 1st and 6th ranked wingmen from 2017-2018. 1st is Hunter, 6th is none other than...








    Sam Lloyd. That's right, champion data have him as the 6th best wing over the last two years
     
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  15. dogwatch

    dogwatch Premium Platinum

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    Yesterday I did something to my BF display by accident - I think I mis-hit a key or accidentally clicked on something. Since then the display has been enlarged by about 15-20% and it's annoying because I have to scroll up and down more, even to get to the start of the first unread post.

    I've looked through preferences and various BF menus and can't find how I can set it back the way it normally is. I've tried closing the BF window and re-opening it but that doesn't fix it.

    Can anyone help?
     
  16. timtamWB

    timtamWB Resident Biscuit

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    Try holding control and scrolling your mouse down, might not be a BF problem but just a browser issue for the one page
     
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  17. dogwatch

    dogwatch Premium Platinum

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    :thumbsu:
    I owe you a beer, timtam!
     
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  18. Dogs_R_Us

    Dogs_R_Us Brownlow Medallist

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    Does "pinching" the screen help?
     
  19. dogwatch

    dogwatch Premium Platinum

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    Thanks but naah. I neglected to say I'm on a PC using Chrome (and none of the other open tabs were doing it which is what threw me).
    Timtam was on the money (or the beer). I must have hit control by accident when I was scrolling up.
     
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