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We've heard a lot of Bush hatred and a lot of Howard hatred in recent years, but now it should stop. The USA people and the Australian people have given 50%+ support to those leaders, so the buck sits clearly with the people now.
 

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Frodo said:
We've heard a lot of Bush hatred and a lot of Howard hatred in recent years, but now it should stop. The USA people and the Australian people have given 50%+ support to those leaders, so the buck sits clearly with the people now.
Jesus Frodo, why don't you go and live in a Stalinist country where any dissent to the government is met with a hail of bullets.
 

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Jesus Frodo, why don't you go and live in a Stalinist country where any dissent to the government is met with a hail of bullets.
Like Iraq was?

then they aren't a government voted in by the people are they?
 

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THOSE IN AMERICA THAT VOTED FOR BUSH DESERVE TO BE SHOT AND ARE RACIST , GREEDY BASTAR#S AND MURDERES....( ie .. bush is responsible for the deaths of all those on sept 11 ..)

THOSE THAT VOTED FOR HOWARD DESERVE TO BE SHOT , ARE RACIST, GREEDY BASTAR#S , AND MURDERERS ....( ie..howard is reponsible for all those killed in bali ...bush aswell )

all those who were against howard and bush , want all troops out of iraq and would prefer to see money spent on alternative means of power ( not oil ) and real issues that affect the well being of humans deserve to live a long prosperous life..
 

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THOSE IN AMERICA THAT VOTED FOR BUSH DESERVE TO BE SHOT AND ARE RACIST , GREEDY BASTAR#S AND MURDERES....( ie .. bush is responsible for the deaths of all those on sept 11 ..)

THOSE THAT VOTED FOR HOWARD DESERVE TO BE SHOT , ARE RACIST, GREEDY BASTAR#S , AND MURDERERS ....( ie..howard is reponsible for all those killed in bali ...bush aswell )

all those who were against howard and bush , want all troops out of iraq and would prefer to see money spent on alternative means of power ( not oil ) and real issues that affect the well being of humans deserve to live a long prosperous life..
So you want the majority of Australians and Americans exterminated.

Your not Lasher bin Laden by any chance are you?
 

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So you want the majority of Australians and Americans exterminated.

Your not Lasher bin Laden by any chance are you?


if you are a follower and believe that bush is and has done the right thing then yes....
if you follow and believe little johny is not an ar#e licker , bushes little puppy dog and that we should keep and even send more troops to iraq then , yes..

same goes for any poms who feel the same for bush or blair....

can you honestly , honestly , say that what they are doing is right given bushes history of greed for oil which is how it all came about...
oil companies rule this world , where is all the oil , who wants controll of that oil , who is terrorising because of bushes greed ....
 

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can you honestly , honestly , say that what they are doing is right given bushes history of greed for oil which is how it all came about...
oil companies rule this world , where is all the oil , who wants controll of that oil , who is terrorising because of bushes greed ....
Yes I can because your prognosis is wrong
 

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Yes I can because your prognosis is wrong

how blind and wrong you are ......

ok , tell me , how did this all come about...why did the sept 11 events take place...? why did the bali bombing occur...?
would we have any trouble if there was no oil in the arab countries..?

i await your answers...
 

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Frodo said:
We've heard a lot of Bush hatred and a lot of Howard hatred in recent years, but now it should stop. The USA people and the Australian people have given 50%+ support to those leaders, so the buck sits clearly with the people now.
I thought we lived in a country with free speech and to air ones views.

My concern is how did Bush get in considering the following:-
- he has presided over the greatest loss of jobs since Herbert Hoover
- he has presided from taking the government with a substantial budget surplus to a substantial budget deficit (and which I might add the majority did not go in the Iraq war but tax cuts to the weathly)
- went to war and invaded a country that had never invaded America (first strike comes to mind)
- has failed in his attempts to bring the real villian of September 11 to account (and who is still taunting the American people)

Absolutely amazing!!!! (at least JWH presided over a growing and strong economy and which he should be proud of)
 

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how blind and wrong you are ......

ok , tell me , how did this all come about...why did the sept 11 events take place...? why did the bali bombing occur...?
would we have any trouble if there was no oil in the arab countries..?

i await your answers...
9/11 and Bali relates to Al Quaeda and radical islam. The root is in the Palestinian conflict. So, if the state of Israel had not been created then arguably Al Quaeda would not have been borne.
Israel was created due to the Holocaust by Germany aided by Italy and most of the French. So there is the root...nothing to do with oil.

Mind you, when you say

would we have any trouble if there was no oil in the arab countries..?

The answer is probably no bercause there would be far fewer arabs.
 

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Frodo said:
We've heard a lot of Bush hatred and a lot of Howard hatred in recent years, but now it should stop. The USA people and the Australian people have given 50%+ support to those leaders, so the buck sits clearly with the people now.
Yes but the support against was 47.25% in Oz and 48.35% in the USA. Two sizeable levels of dissatisfaction, so as much as you would like the anti-Bush and anti-Howard supporters to stop, I say, frankly NO!!!!!
 

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9/11 and Bali relates to Al Quaeda and radical islam. The root is in the Palestinian conflict. So, if the state of Israel had not been created then arguably Al Quaeda would not have been borne.
Israel was created due to the Holocaust by Germany aided by Italy and most of the French. So there is the root...nothing to do with oil.

Mind you, when you say

would we have any trouble if there was no oil in the arab countries..?

The answer is probably no bercause there would be far fewer arabs.

al quaeda attacked the yanks because of oil...the yanks blackmailing them , bullying them..america had nothing to do with all the other crap,they just want oil my friend and will conger up any excuse to go in and cease controll..
this is why they were attacked,because these people dont like to be pushed around..these nutcase religous fundamentalists like bin laden were bred by bush..he pushed them into it..to fight for there people..bush even trained
al quaeda , gave them weapons and fought with them years ago..
bali happened because howard sent troops into fight with the yanks..if australian troops DID NOT go to iraq , there would NEVER have been the bombing in bali...
 

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Frodo said:
We've heard a lot of Bush hatred and a lot of Howard hatred in recent years, but now it should stop. The USA people and the Australian people have given 50%+ support to those leaders, so the buck sits clearly with the people now.
It's a nice thought but can't see it happening. Too many leftist loonies like we are seeing in this thread who are so intent on spreading their hatred throughout the world. It wouldn't matter if Bush and Howard got 95% of the votes, the radicals would still be right and everyone else would be stupid for not agreeing with them.
 

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Yes but the support against was 47.25% in Oz and 48.35% in the USA. Two sizeable levels of dissatisfaction, so as much as you would like the anti-Bush and anti-Howard supporters to stop, I say, frankly NO!!!!!
Quite right, its not as if 80 or 90 % voted for either of them - just a bare majority and the minorty HATE both of their guts with a passion.
BTW never forget Hitler also go elected by a majority of German voters in a democratic election.
In future years this will be seen as a dark episode in histroy when religious fanatics Like Bush and Blair decieved so many..
 

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Quite right, its not as if 80 or 90 % voted for either of them - just a bare majority and the minorty HATE both of their guts with a passion.
BTW never forget Hitler also go elected by a majority of German voters in a democratic election.
In future years this will be seen as a dark episode in histroy when religious fanatics Like Bush and Blair decieved so many..
What extremism. If you hate out country so much why don't you just go PO somewhere else? More anti-religious drivel too I see, sounds like you're a homo.
 

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What extremism. If you hate out country so much why don't you just go PO somewhere else? More anti-religious drivel too I see, sounds like you're a homo.
Why should they it is their country too, OH wait little johnny coward will probably imprison any Australian who hates his guts & his policies, yep, this country is heading towards total facism at a rapid rate of knots.

Not surprising that you are a homophobe as well, another line coward is pushing, on top of making abortions illegal, welcome back to the 50's. :mad:
 

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Why should they it is their country too, OH wait little johnny coward will probably imprison any Australian who hates his guts & his policies, yep, this country is heading towards total facism at a rapid rate of knots.
I just thought they might like to thats all. No point living in a country you hate so much.

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Not surprising that you are a homophobe as well, another line coward is pushing, on top of making abortions illegal, welcome back to the 50's. :mad:
In some ways the 50s wouldn't be so bad. The abortion rate in Australia is a disgrace. You have a society which encourages sexual promiscuity amongst young people and then murders the resulting child out of convenience. The law at least needs to reduce the number of weeks in which these abotions can occur.
 

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I just thought they might like to thats all. No point living in a country you hate so much.


In some ways the 50s wouldn't be so bad. The abortion rate in Australia is a disgrace. You have a society which encourages sexual promiscuity amongst young people and then murders the resulting child out of convenience. The law at least needs to reduce the number of weeks in which these abotions can occur.
Yep your response shows what a moron you are, we don't hate our country, just the little rodent who is PM, not surprised you don't know the difference. :rolleyes:

Actually this country pushes safe sex, but accidents, rapes & a womens health issues do happen & it is better to terminate than bring an unwanted child into the world, or risk the mothers life. Here's an idea, how about every woman who wants an abortion but isn't allowed to have it, gives birth & drops the baby around to your place, then you can take care of them all.

Edit: Yep the 50's would be great, women dying or being butchered by backyard abortionists, bring it on I say. :mad:
 

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Yep your response shows what a moron you are, we don't hate our country, just the little rodent who is PM, not surprised you don't know the difference. :rolleyes:
Hates a very strong word and Howards done nothing that deserves such disrespect. There are plenty of politicans whose policies and values I don't like such as Bob Brown for example but to say I hate these people is just childish.

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Actually this country pushes safe sex, but accidents, rapes & a womens health issues do happen & it is better to terminate than bring an unwabted child into the world, or risk the mothers life. Here's an idea, how about every woman who wants an abortion but isn't allowed to have it, gives birth & drops the baby around to your place, then you can take care of them all.
Why me I don't want to adopt anyone? Plenty of couples around who would though.
 

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THOSE THAT VOTED FOR HOWARD DESERVE TO BE SHOT , ARE RACIST, GREEDY BASTAR#S , AND MURDERERS ....( ie..howard is reponsible for all those killed in bali ...bush aswell )

all those who were against howard and bush , want all troops out of iraq and would prefer to see money spent on alternative means of power ( not oil ) and real issues that affect the well being of humans deserve to live a long prosperous life..
You are simply a loser.
 
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