bunsen burner said:
That has nothing to do with the above statements. Do you want to try again?
sure, my time got cut short yesterday, in fact its not that great today
- blackmailing them , bullying them
the issue isnt just with the US, but because they are the largest and one of the most willing to get involved in the internal workings of other countries, they cop the most flak. the radical islamists big problem is the interventionist wests involvement with islam, they see an even flow of problems that go back through iraq, back to lebanon, to deposing the shah in iran, back to the english empire and back, even back to the crusades. for them, the christian crusades never ended, and christians and jews have always tried to dominate muslims.
- religous fundamentalists like bin laden were bred by bush.
this comment is so vague, i cant really answer it. its very true, though, that bushs policies, his handling of iraq and the war on terror, are definitely inflaming anti-american opinion, hence expanding the recruitment base of fundamentalism and making yet more terrorists.
as for bin laden, his politic is very complex, partially rooted in US involvment in saudi arabia, forged in afgahnistan, and shaped by the teachings of crazy islamist ********s who all harken back to the golden age of mohammed and islam.
- bush even trained al quaeda
like i said in the last post, probably never directly.
- fought with them years ago
no, but it depends on you viewing of it, they secretly funded them, and supplied them, but probably never actually fought with them.
- bali happened because howard sent troops into fight with the yanks
ok, this isnt true. a look at the evidence that came during the investigation into bali and the trails, its pretty clear that the bombers had a problem with the west, not specifically australia, and certrainly not a specific policy of australia. in fact, that specific bombing actually had more to do with the "debauched sexual proclivity" of the decadent westerners in that night club, as viewed by celibate islamists, as did any thing else. in a poor muslim country, where people have a poor quality of life and are prevented from having sex before marriage, right smack damn in the middle was a night club where super rich white people came to get smashed and get laid. personally, im suprised it wasnt bombed sooner.
and yes, bin laden had vague links to JI, and yes he released a statement and linked the bombing to australian involvment in the war AFTER THE FACT, but that is because he is a cagey ********, not because it was part of some grand scheme against australia.
- if australian troops DID NOT go to iraq , there would NEVER have been the bombing in bali...
as i said, that looks to be false, and it would have happened anyway, if you believe the testimony of that smiling psycho and the other JI they captured.