Oakley-Nicholls or Varcoe?

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

i still have no idea what to make of him. give him some more games, he looks terrified out there still.

 

[PHX]

He's 18 ffs.

He's got alot of time to build ahead of him.

People are judging an EIGHTEEN year old. People need to have some bloody patience.

Keep it up JoN, you'll grow into a great footballer.

 

[True Thylacine]

I was not convinced about JON either until I saw him play live twice in successive weeks. I think he will make the grade and be a very attacking running defender in a year or two. Sneaky tall with great hands and great evasion. His disposal seems fine, its more the decision making that needs work. Although he looks awkward he doesnt kick it poorly just to poor options.

 

[Kyusss]

JON (fullstop)

 

[Maquis de Saad]

Krustyman, krustyman, krustyman...

How wrong you will be




Varcoe has played "okay" in the best team in the comp (and one of the highest scoring - making it a LOT easier for forwards). His body is already mature for his age and he is nothing like Aaron Davey (why does EVERY team say they have an "Aaron Davey like" youngster?? Nobody does but the Bombers ).

I'm off to see JON's special talents again today and I hope to come back laughing even harder at this thread.

"A West Australian club rated Oakley-Nicholls the #1 player in the 2005 National Draft." - I'm interested to see why half of you guys rate him as the exact opposite.

Obviously he's a lot better than you think.

Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 3, N. Brown 2, A. Krakouer 2, J. Riewoldt 2, K. Moore, N. Caruso, F. Caruso
Best Players: A. Horne, P. Shelton, J. Silvester, A. Krakouer, B. Hartigan, N. Caruso
Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 3, N. Brown 2, A. Krakouer 2, J. Riewoldt 2, K. Moore, N. Caruso, F. Caruso
Best Players: A. Horne, P. Shelton, J. Silvester, A. Krakouer, B. Hartigan, N. Caruso



errrr yeah he's a gun

 

[lids2004roar]

Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 3, N. Brown 2, A. Krakouer 2, J. Riewoldt 2, K. Moore, N. Caruso, F. Caruso
Best Players: A. Horne, P. Shelton, J. Silvester, A. Krakouer, B. Hartigan, N. Caruso
Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 3, N. Brown 2, A. Krakouer 2, J. Riewoldt 2, K. Moore, N. Caruso, F. Caruso
Best Players: A. Horne, P. Shelton, J. Silvester, A. Krakouer, B. Hartigan, N. Caruso



errrr yeah he's a gun

Chris Judd hasn't been in the best before too. Doesn't mean he's not a gun

How about we get up, take a walk to the ground, buy a ticket, and watch JON play.

You might even be surprised

 

[OLDEP]

Not trolling here, I played probably 4 years of junior footy against the young bloke when he was at Northern Cobras, and then a couple with him at East Perth Football Club. His fitness and agility are very good, my question on him as with a lot of the blokes from Cobras is there hunger when its hard. Granted I was bigger bodied but physical pressure on these blokes seems to make them go missing.

In saying all of that he is a great fella, and I hope he bulks up enough to match it at AFL level.

 

[PLSC]

jon still has a long way to go but id take him over varcoe anyday who i dont rate at all

ps - shannon hurn got the rising star this week

 

[Don Logan]

Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 3, N. Brown 2, A. Krakouer 2, J. Riewoldt 2, K. Moore, N. Caruso, F. Caruso
Best Players: A. Horne, P. Shelton, J. Silvester, A. Krakouer, B. Hartigan, N. Caruso
Coburg Tigers
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 3, N. Brown 2, A. Krakouer 2, J. Riewoldt 2, K. Moore, N. Caruso, F. Caruso
Best Players: A. Horne, P. Shelton, J. Silvester, A. Krakouer, B. Hartigan, N. Caruso



errrr yeah he's a gun

Best player lists are compiled by junior cadets (17 y-o kids) or even unemployed work experience types helping out.

Never ever take stock in who they deem to have played well.

 

[acr2751]

Chris Judd hasn't been in the best before too. Doesn't mean he's not a gun

How about we get up, take a walk to the ground, buy a ticket, and watch JON play.

You might even be surprised

i have seen jon play enough times to think in time he will be more than handy not a gun but very handy in many roles

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

jon is probably the worse pick tigers had over the last 3 years. I doubt he can even be nursed to 50 afl games.

Funnily enough, i agree with you.

So many better players ahead of him but we chose yet another 'project' player

 

[Calcium Man]

Funnily enough, i agree with you.

So many better players ahead of him but we chose yet another 'project' player

Who should have we taken??

Higgins - would be having the same issues that Danny Meyer is having. So im not disappointed we didnt take him

Clark - Maybe. But i can understand with his head issues why we didnt take him. Not sure Richmond can afford to spend high picks on kids with problems.

Drum - Havent seen enough off. But hear he is handy

Jones - He is just a younger version of Tucky. Iffy disposal and little scope for improvement

Hurn - Now he is the one that it looks like we missed. Beautiful kick and tough midfielder. But he probably wouldnt be playing HBF at Richmond.

Brichall - Soft HBF. Is 193cm so you would hope he would be CHB dont ever see that happening.

 

[tigerT]

Who should have we taken??

Higgins - would be having the same issues that Danny Meyer is having. So im not disappointed we didnt take him

Clark - Maybe. But i can understand with his head issues why we didnt take him. Not sure Richmond can afford to spend high picks on kids with problems.

Drum - Havent seen enough off. But hear he is handy

Jones - He is just a younger version of Tucky. Iffy disposal and little scope for improvement

Hurn - Now he is the one that it looks like we missed. Beautiful kick and tough midfielder. But he probably wouldnt be playing HBF at Richmond.

Brichall - Soft HBF. Is 193cm so you would hope he would be CHB dont ever see that happening.

Id take Birchall, Hurn, Clark, ahead of Jon. Really want to see Jon bulk up, needs about 15kgs so its going to be a long process But with his heaight, speed he could be a very handy player for us.

 

[lids2004roar]

I'm very interested to see what he will be like when he does put on that 15kgs.

He already shows a lot of agression! We know he has fantastic leadership skills so if he is tough and uses his body while being a genuine leader then he could be an integral part of the side. Naturally his pace, hands and ability to find the ball could make him a damaging player, decision making is holding him back a little atm but it can be improved with experience (I hope!) and in 3 years his weight will be an advantage if he continues to use his body like he is.

 

[astro_toby]

Who should have we taken??

Higgins - would be having the same issues that Danny Meyer is having. So im not disappointed we didnt take him

Clark - Maybe. But i can understand with his head issues why we didnt take him. Not sure Richmond can afford to spend high picks on kids with problems.

Drum - Havent seen enough off. But hear he is handy

Jones - He is just a younger version of Tucky. Iffy disposal and little scope for improvement

Hurn - Now he is the one that it looks like we missed. Beautiful kick and tough midfielder. But he probably wouldnt be playing HBF at Richmond.

Brichall - Soft HBF. Is 193cm so you would hope he would be CHB dont ever see that happening.

you know what? you may have lost yourself this arguement with me - and originally - i was agreeing with you - until i saw that list!

higgins - would prefer higgins, saying he would have the same issues as danny just because he is meant to be a similar player is hogwash. he attacks the ball, reads the play a gem, and kicks goal regulary. he and danny may be the same position, but very different lads.

Hurn - agree with what you wrote. would take a tough midfielder right now

Clark - really rate this kid. would rate him above all of schulz, hughes & reiwoldt.

Drum - haven't seen much of him either, but also have heard he will eventually become a qulity KP bloke. could have been a possible CHB for us. could have kept polak as the third tall, and released bowden to a wing.

Jones - he and oak are a line ball for me. But his toughness murders JON - and when we are lacking tough blokes - geez louise! i wouldn't mind a tough kid in the side!

Birchall - similiar type to oak. tall, soft and can run. the major difference is that birchall can play seniors right now, and oak can't.

personally i would take 3 and possibly 4 of those before Oak (hurn, higgins, Clark & possibly drum) - and neither jones or birchall would have been worse than him as a pick either.

i'm happy with john, but would have to agree -yet another risky project player - which was taken before better, surer bets - which all offer the same maximum payout

 

[Calcium Man]

you know what? you may have lost yourself this arguement with me - and originally - i was agreeing with you - until i saw that list!

higgins - would prefer higgins, saying he would have the same issues as danny just because he is meant to be a similar player is hogwash. he attacks the ball, reads the play a gem, and kicks goal regulary. he and danny may be the same position, but very different lads.

No he would have the same problems in that he is a finisher. His performances when the Bullies have lost have not been great. He is probably ahead of Danny but we its a luxury position.

Hurn - agree with what you wrote. would take a tough midfielder right now

Clark - really rate this kid. would rate him above all of schulz, hughes & reiwoldt.

Rate him too. As i said we couldnt afford to take a risk, with our 1st oick, on someone whos application was well done.

Drum - haven't seen much of him either, but also have heard he will eventually become a qulity KP bloke. could have been a possible CHB for us. could have kept polak as the third tall, and released bowden to a wing.

Would be a small KPP only 190cm

Jones - he and oak are a line ball for me. But his toughness murders JON - and when we are lacking tough blokes - geez louise! i wouldn't mind a tough kid in the side!

I go to a lot of Melbourne matches and watching him im not shattered we missed him. He is a clone of tucky. A good 4th or 5th midfielder. Who is tough and is disposal is a little bit iffy. Dont see a lot of upside. Would be handy but wont be as good as JON if he gets anywhere near his potential

Birchall - similiar type to oak. tall, soft and can run. the major difference is that birchall can play seniors right now, and oak can't.

For a guy who is 193 you would expect so much more. plus JON will play so many more positions.

personally i would take 3 and possibly 4 of those before Oak (hurn, higgins, Clark & possibly drum) - and neither jones or birchall would have been worse than him as a pick either.

I would only take Hurn ahead of him and maybe clark, he is just as big a risk as JON. As for the others none would be a worse pick but JON has the biggest potential.

i'm happy with john, but would have to agree -yet another risky project player - which was taken before better, surer bets - which all offer the same maximum payout

Definately a risk project player. from all reports has the desire which is good. The reality is the tigers are so far behind the 8 ball we have to take risks with these kinds of middle rd 1 picks to catch up.

 

[lids2004roar]

i'm happy with john, but would have to agree -yet another risky project player - which was taken before better, surer bets - which all offer the same maximum payout

I'd say JON offers a much higher maximum payout but with greater risk of minimum payout. Basically he is when you bet $1000 at 3/1 instead of $500 at 2/1.

I go to a lot of Melbourne matches and watching him im not shattered we missed him. He is a clone of tucky. A good 4th or 5th midfielder. Who is tough and is disposal is a little bit iffy. Dont see a lot of upside. Would be handy but wont be as good as JON if he gets anywhere near his potential

Not sure if you should spend first round draft picks on 4th - 5th midfielders with poor disposal.

We got Tuck in the 70's, you don't need to waste 1st round picks on these types.

 

[Calcium Man]

Not sure if you should spend first round draft picks on 4th - 5th midfielders with poor disposal.

His disposal isnt poor, its a mixed bag. Can be very good to some very bad.

 

[PLSC]

nate jones is 19 and tuck 26 but jones is way better than him, he might be in the 2nd midfield rotation but when you have mclean, bruce and mcdonald its hard to crack in this early, will be a good player not a star

higgins i agree is like meyer, cheats on his opponent and prays the dogs win the footy so he can finish, front runner atm

hurn is the package, tough, skills and leadership material, ticks too many boxes to be at richmond

clark is a nice size and has great hands but is a rubbish kick, fair enough he might have problems but what does that say about the clubs ability to change him? they picked up hughes and connors who had similar question marks so who knows

drum havent seen

varcoe no thanks

all in all its not the end of the world and we know he's going to take time but still massive question marks

 

[dipper86]

For a guy who is 193 you would expect so much more. plus JON will play so many more positions.

OMG. You richmond supporters are a demented lot.
You expect so much more from Birchall, a 19 year old 193 cm player, that can either play on smalls or talls, has great skills and is already racking up massive amounts of the ball.

This is hilarious.

Brichall - Soft HBF. Is 193cm so you would hope he would be CHB dont ever see that happening.

Soft HBF, so that would make JON a netballer. Why would we wan't him to be a CHB, He is asked to beat his opponent and provide run on the back flank which he does consistently every game, he provides Hawthorn with so much speed, run and skill, why would Hawthorn wan't to lose that, By your logic, lets put Goodes and Embley at CHB they are near or over 193 cms. Absolute stupidity

You would pick Birchall everyday of the week over JON. He is better in every facet of the game.

 

[tigerT]

OMG. You richmond supporters are a demented lot.
You expect so much more from Birchall, a 19 year old 193 cm player, that can either play on smalls or talls, has great skills and is already racking up massive amounts of the ball.

This is hilarious.



Soft HBF, so that would make JON a netballer. Why would we wan't him to be a CHB, He is asked to beat his opponent and provide run on the back flank which he does consistently every game, he provides Hawthorn with so much speed, run and skill, why would Hawthorn wan't to lose that, By your logic, lets put Goodes and Embley at CHB they are near or over 193 cms. Absolute stupidity

You would pick Birchall everyday of the week over JON. He is better in every facet of the game.

agree with this.

Im a massive birchall fan, reads the play magnificently, offers plenty of drive and run. Football brain and has the physical attributes to be a star. One of my fav players even if he is a hawk and has been from day 1.

Right now there is no comparison.

 

[PHX]

Agree, Birchall is an absolute gun.

I dont know if Varcoe will be ahead of JoN but Birch is already cemented in the Hawks line-up and doesnt disappoint any weeks.

Thank god we wont be the team who get grilled for passing on Mitch Thorp either, another Hawk bargain. Hopefully Buddy v Tambling and stop and Gumby vs Thorp can start.

I still have faith in JoN though, he just needs the build at the moment and a bit more match-time coolness under pressure.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Mitch Thorp and Grant Birchall = cheap Tassie pick ups.

Maybe Richmond should start paying more attention to the talent down here.

 

[PHX]

Exactly TFLUA.

Especially from the North where kids are bloody good but dont get noticed because they'd prefer to play for their local club than travel to Hobart to play for that joke of a Devils team.

Just wait for Tommy Hislop to debut for Essendon. Pick 18 worthy my arse. Should've been top 10.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Yeah Tommy Hislop was at my school, when he was 14 or 15 I said he'd be drafted one day.

Tom Collier, tall runnig defender with good pace and skills, playing with the Devils could be a surprise pickup for the Tiges this year (well I hope so)