Observations on internal issues?

[giantroo]

Middle of the road hey? Making changes too?

Already identified the issue and has a solution.

*Sigh* North Melbourne *sigh*

 

[Royal Flush]

Middle of the road hey? Making changes too?

Already identified the issue and has a solution.

*Sigh* North Melbourne *sigh*

It's kind of sickening when you feel jealous of other clubs desires to win

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[Uber Roo]

Middle of the road hey? Making changes too?

Already identified the issue and has a solution.

*Sigh* North Melbourne *sigh*

Give Clarko the war chest GR , someone who understands that near enough is not good enough


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[Billy Not Really]

Middle of the road hey? Making changes too?

Already identified the issue and has a solution.

*Sigh* North Melbourne *sigh*

This is what you should want coming out of your footy club. Brutal honesty. Challenge. Drive.

We are in dire need of someone like Clarko.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

2) When you artificially increase the general female representation of a population, then the trade off will inevitably lead to a decrease in aggression and risk taking. In many facets of society this results in a wonderful improvement, but when applied to an environment like an AFL football competition, it results in a significant advantage to an opposition that retains those aggressive, risk takings traits, AND BOY, is it starting to show at our footy club.

Ha ha, and you accuse others others of derailing threads with socio-political bullshit.

 

[The Warlord]

You kidding ?
ALFW is probably the one thing we did get right.

We got our team right, they are trying to own it. This deal they are putting together, they want to be home ground of AFLW. Finals etc. They'll make a mint.

 

[Gasometer]

Really? Seems like most of the others on this board.

Yeh pretty much the same

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Yeh pretty much the same

Don't worry Gaso - big game tomorrow - Scott's future well and truly on the line as well as a few senior players.

A big game like this requires a big Game Day Thread - and you are the man for it! Looking forward to it -

 

[Caracas]

It's kind of sickening when you feel jealous of other clubs desires to win

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However, let’s not forget they ARE losing - just like us. There are no guarantees that anything Clarkson does or says will change that. Crap will be crap, regardless- as Pagan found out at Carlton. Having said that, Clarkson has well and truly proven himself to to have been amongst the all time greats of coaching.


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[LETSGOKANGAS]

Like Clarko coming to North is going to get us close to a premiership.

I dont care if you're a master at your craft. If you havent got the tools you will not succeed.

Remember when Pagen went to Carlton?

Think Chris is better than Brad? Check the players both had at their disposal. Chris is currently coaching 6+ champions/elites and has his whole tenure.

Brad has never had a single elite in 10 years.

 

[Themanbun]

Like Clarko coming to North is going to get us close to a premiership.

I dont care if you're a master at your craft. If you havent got the tools you will not succeed.

Remember when Pagen went to Carlton?

Think Chris is better than Brad? Check the players both had at their disposal. Chris is currently coaching 6+ champions/elites and has his whole tenure.

Brad has never had a single elite in 10 years.

You wouldn't say a second in the Coleman medal, and AA half forward and the lead contested/clearance player in the comp are elite?

 

[King Corey]

You wouldn't say a second in the Coleman medal, and AA half forward and the lead contested/clearance player in the comp are elite?

It’s just the silly Scott brothers premise that gets trotted out from time to time.

Chris is light years ahead of Brad. Regardless of superstars. They just happen share most of their DNA.

 

[Gasometer]

Don't worry Gaso - big game tomorrow - Scott's future well and truly on the line as well as a few senior players.

A big game like this requires a big Game Day Thread - and you are the man for it! Looking forward to it -

Some imbecile will start it early

 

[ferball]

What's Kane done wrong?

Failed to grow a utensil?

(womble.)

 

[Snake_Baker]

Ha ha, and you accuse others others of derailing threads with socio-political ********.

Science, chump.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It’s just the silly Scott brothers premise that gets trotted out from time to time.

Chris is light years ahead of Brad. Regardless of superstars. They just happen share most of their DNA.

Brad's taddy definitely piggybacked on his brothers.

 

[ferball]

That’s my point persons.

If you need to fill quotas your not looking for the best available person.

They hired her to make our club look all fuzzy wuzzy to the outside world which lapped it up at the time.

She is an ex lawyer. Has never played the game. Was in charge of Women’s football pathways.

And somehow is our Head of Football Operations.





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If you do the actual numbers the Gender equality action plan quota means the club expects to employ 6 or 7 more women than it does now across the future. So its not a massive thing.

But I understand your concern about "best available person".

Here's a reference to a study.

Here's some quotes from it:

"How Stereotypes Impair Women's Careers in Science," written by Ernesto Reuben, assistant professor of management at Columbia Business School, and recently published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reveals the underlying biases of hiring managers, and also demonstrates the cost of discrimination.

"Studies that seek to answer why there are more men than women in STEM fields typically focus on women's interests and choices," said Professor Reuben. "This may be important, but our experiments show that another culprit of this phenomenon is that hiring managers possess an extraordinary level of gender bias when making decisions and filling positions, often times choosing the less qualified male over a superiorly qualified female."

In an experiment in which participants were hired to perform a mathematical task, both male and female managers were twice as likely to hire a man than a woman -- even when the managers had no information beyond a candidate's appearance and, therefore, gender.
...
The experiment, done on both female and male hiring managers showed that when the hiring manager had no other information other than a candidate's gender, they were twice as likely to hire a man than a woman, because they incorrectly believed that men are more talented in science and math, the researchers found. This bias often led to hiring the less-capable job seeker.

"In some situations up to ninety percent of the time when a mistake was made, it was made in favor of a man," Reuben says.

Even more surprising was when the candidates were allowed to tell the managers how well they will perform; women were still only half as likely to be hired as men, the study showed. Unlike men, women who indicated that they will score higher that their competitors were overlooked. With these mathematical test scores in hand, the researchers were able to prove a tangible cost to discrimination of hiring managers.
...
Further versions of the experiment demonstrated the difficulties of confronting negative stereotypes. When hiring managers were given information about the candidates' actual performance, the bias against women was reduced, but not eliminated, the researchers found.

There you go.

Someone did a study on hiring practises and found that without quotas people don't hire the best candidate for the job cos they'd rather hire men.

Bloody science and its left wing bias.

 

[desie]

Middle of the road hey? Making changes too?

Already identified the issue and has a solution.

*Sigh* North Melbourne *sigh*

Not sure what his problem is, they seem to be competitive with most of the competition.

 

[D23D]

Give Clarko the war chest GR , someone who understands that near enough is not good enough


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This makes so much sense.
Instead of just trying to get one gun midfielder, how about we get one gun coach.
Reminds me of a parable of giving a man a fish, or teaching him to fish..

 

[Johnny99]

We got our team right, they are trying to own it. This deal they are putting together, they want to be home ground of AFLW. Finals etc. They'll make a mint.

I don't understand what you are talking about. What's going to be the home of AFLW ? Whitten Oval ?

Because if that's what your saying, good luck with getting fans from the North East -Eastern and S Eastern suburbs travelling to Footscray to watch a women's football match.

Its hard enough getting GoDees supporters travelling to Marvel to see the Mens team.

Imagine Hawthorn, StKilda fans travelling to Whitten Oval to see their teams play.


NMFC, by aligning themselves with Tasmania has massively increased the level of support they have.

 

[Mav]

If you do the actual numbers the Gender equality action plan quota means the club expects to employ 6 or 7 more women than it does now across the future. So its not a massive thing.

But I understand your concern about "best available person".

Here's a reference to a study.

Here's some quotes from it:

"How Stereotypes Impair Women's Careers in Science," written by Ernesto Reuben, assistant professor of management at Columbia Business School, and recently published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, reveals the underlying biases of hiring managers, and also demonstrates the cost of discrimination.

"Studies that seek to answer why there are more men than women in STEM fields typically focus on women's interests and choices," said Professor Reuben. "This may be important, but our experiments show that another culprit of this phenomenon is that hiring managers possess an extraordinary level of gender bias when making decisions and filling positions, often times choosing the less qualified male over a superiorly qualified female."

In an experiment in which participants were hired to perform a mathematical task, both male and female managers were twice as likely to hire a man than a woman -- even when the managers had no information beyond a candidate's appearance and, therefore, gender.
...
The experiment, done on both female and male hiring managers showed that when the hiring manager had no other information other than a candidate's gender, they were twice as likely to hire a man than a woman, because they incorrectly believed that men are more talented in science and math, the researchers found. This bias often led to hiring the less-capable job seeker.

"In some situations up to ninety percent of the time when a mistake was made, it was made in favor of a man," Reuben says.

Even more surprising was when the candidates were allowed to tell the managers how well they will perform; women were still only half as likely to be hired as men, the study showed. Unlike men, women who indicated that they will score higher that their competitors were overlooked. With these mathematical test scores in hand, the researchers were able to prove a tangible cost to discrimination of hiring managers.
...
Further versions of the experiment demonstrated the difficulties of confronting negative stereotypes. When hiring managers were given information about the candidates' actual performance, the bias against women was reduced, but not eliminated, the researchers found.

There you go.

Someone did a study on hiring practises and found that without quotas people don't hire the best candidate for the job cos they'd rather hire men.

Bloody science and its left wing bias.

Get an independent thought you sheep.

 

[Mav]

That’s my point persons.

If you need to fill quotas your not looking for the best available person.

They hired her to make our club look all fuzzy wuzzy to the outside world which lapped it up at the time.

She is an ex lawyer. Has never played the game. Was in charge of Women’s football pathways.

And somehow is our Head of Football Operations.





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Have you any idea what the role of Football Operations entails? Please, can you tell us Kane’s failing in her role?

I’m asking this because I would like to develop a thoughtful, independent view on her appointment.

 

[Mav]

Yep, either based upon condescension or to openly attack another party based upon the utilisation of a false paradigm.

Of course, what cannot be precluded are the general trait characteristics that apply to gender.

1) When you artificially increase any gender representation in regards to business and administration, then you are precluding your organisationm from the best overall people from the market
2) When you artificially increase the general female representation of a population, then the trade off will inevitably lead to a decrease in aggression and risk taking. In many facets of society this results in a wonderful improvement, but when applied to an environment like an AFL football competition, it results in a significant advantage to an opposition that retains those aggressive, risk takings traits, AND BOY, is it starting to show at our footy club.

A naive, independent thought does not make it right. Show some supporting evidence for either claim.

 

[ferball]

This makes so much sense.
Instead of just trying to get one gun midfielder, how about we get one gun coach.
Reminds me of a parable of giving a man a fish, or teaching him to fish..

You can lead a Horse to water but you can't make it think.

 

[ferball]

IE Bring Clarko home (or Simmo.)