List Mgmt. Off Season Changes

[RWnBluey]

Just listened to her on the Danny Boyd podcast. Said they re-signed bevo due to his relationship with the players and not KPIs on wins/ losses. Don’t think we are a serious club sometimes

No words.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Just listened to her on the Danny Boyd podcast. Said they re-signed bevo due to his relationship with the players and not KPIs on wins/ losses. Don’t think we are a serious club sometimes

God help us. We're screwed.

 

[Freshwater]

Just listened to her on the Danny Boyd podcast. Said they re-signed bevo due to his relationship with the players and not KPIs on wins/ losses. Don’t think we are a serious club sometimes

I listened too, and got nothing but corporate key words from her lips, quite uninspiring. The fact they have such a strong relationship with the coach is always the players getting a game and the ones that aren’t or aren’t playing in their preferred position dislike him. This is what happens at every football club across time.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Just listened to her on the Danny Boyd podcast. Said they re-signed bevo due to his relationship with the players and not KPIs on wins/ losses. Don’t think we are a serious club sometimes

She was so uninspiring - had nothing to say but corporate jargon.
Relationships should always come into consideration when re-signing a coach but not going by any performance metrics is insanity.

 

[JTCWBFC]

Huge issue if this is true. This is the AFL, not local footy.

This is precisely what she said, can confirm

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

There is a real lack of ambition at the club and it’s sad. Everyone is just happy enough that we’re not a basket case and that others are in a worse position than us. No ambition to actually be contenders

It starts at the top
haven't been impressed with the handling of situations, from not reviewing the 21 GF to the dunkley debacle, smith, JUH and Grant

 

[Dogs Rule]

She was so uninspiring - had nothing to say but corporate jargon.
Relationships should always come into consideration when re-signing a coach but not going by any performance metrics is insanity.

Fitting that she's in charge of Disney.

Living in pure fantasy land where everything is warm and fuzzy and the outside world doesn't matter. Maybe Herbie will be our next coach?

 

[adogsfan5]

Do members have power to have her removed?

 

[Optimistic Dog]

The consensus is find a key defender fix our defensive game plan and we will be in good shape. Hope it is that easy but in reality we know it is not that simple. All clubs will be trying to improve their lists, injuries play a big part and winning the close ones is important.

My guess is anywhere between 5 and 10. Top 4 at the end season seems not possible under Bevo. More than likely, we will be needing to win the last round to make it.

 

[The Inbetweener]

She was so uninspiring - had nothing to say but corporate jargon.
Relationships should always come into consideration when re-signing a coach but not going by any performance metrics is insanity.

She’d be the perfect person to work for if you want to coast by - supportive as long as you have the relationship. But there doesn’t seem to be any accountability. Couldn’t listen another minute after she gave that answer about any blow back from re-signing him mid year. Supportive environments are great, but there is a time to be ruthless too if you want success. Unfortunately we are going to be in this spot for at least two more years when I can see Bevo KWW and Bains all leaving together.

 

[Generation West]

Everyone was happy with the club re signing Bevo mid season when we were winning. We've stumbled (again) late in the year, but blaming the administration is not the answer.

We are now a professional, strategic and profitable football club and Peter Gordon, Bains, Bevo, KWW, Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

42

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

etc need to take all of the credit for that.

Our list is in good shape, but we do need an adjustment to our game style and to add some hard nosed defenders to our list. Wilke would be first choice but would cost overs and highly unlikely to leave Saints. Vlaustin would be my next choice. Silvagni would be nice, but not going to worry too much if we miss him. I would be looking at the best state league FB in the 22 - 25 year old range who is 195 - 200cm and 95kg rather than go for May, Lever, Frost, Howard types.

JOD is a third tall, Lobb also plays the intercept role. Vlaustin, Cleary (like this guy) and state league FB as the lock down defenders. Maybe move Williams back to defense permanently and have Dale, Bramble, Jacques, JJ as the runners / distributors. Buss not ready. We defend way too high, so this needs to be adjusted.

 

[lachy]

Everyone was happy with the club re signing Bevo mid season when we were winning. We've stumbled (again) late in the year, but blaming the administration is not the answer.

We are now a professional, strategic and profitable football club and Peter Gordon, Bains, Bevo, KWW, Sam Power etc need to take all of the credit for that.

Our list is in good shape, but we do need an adjustment to our game style and to add some hard nosed defenders to our list. Wilke would be first choice but would cost overs and highly unlikely to leave Saints. Vlaustin would be my next choice. Silvagni would be nice, but not going to worry too much if we miss him. I would be looking at the best state league FB in the 22 - 25 year old range who is 195 - 200cm and 95kg rather than go for May, Lever, Frost, Howard types.

JOD is a third tall, Lobb also plays the intercept role. Vlaustin, Cleary (like this guy) and state league FB as the lock down defenders. Maybe move Williams back to defense permanently and have Dale, Bramble, Jacques, JJ as the runners / distributors. Buss not ready. We defend way too high, so this needs to be adjusted.

More important than simply looking at the player list, our assistant coaching group needs to be strengthened and have proper responsibility and accountability for their roles.

The risk we run next year will we see a Hinkley, Goodwin scenario or will it be a Hardwick 2017 scenario.

The administration backed in Bev with the contract, now they need to back in the entire group with proper resourcing utilising the profits you mention

 

[Dogs Rule]

Everyone was happy with the club re signing Bevo mid season when we were winning. We've stumbled (again) late in the year, but blaming the administration is not the answer.

We are now a professional, strategic and profitable football club and Peter Gordon, Bains, Bevo, KWW, Sam Power etc need to take all of the credit for that.

Our list is in good shape, but we do need an adjustment to our game style and to add some hard nosed defenders to our list. Wilke would be first choice but would cost overs and highly unlikely to leave Saints. Vlaustin would be my next choice. Silvagni would be nice, but not going to worry too much if we miss him. I would be looking at the best state league FB in the 22 - 25 year old range who is 195 - 200cm and 95kg rather than go for May, Lever, Frost, Howard types.

JOD is a third tall, Lobb also plays the intercept role. Vlaustin, Cleary (like this guy) and state league FB as the lock down defenders. Maybe move Williams back to defense permanently and have Dale, Bramble, Jacques, JJ as the runners / distributors. Buss not ready. We defend way too high, so this needs to be adjusted.

Yes, but there's nothing worse than wasted potential and talent and that's what we're doing.

 

[stefoid]

No words.

What if it was no bevo, no bont?

 

[adogsfan5]

What if it was no bevo, no bont?

Thanks for everything Marcus. But I’m not accepting my club being held over a barrell. That’s not leadership.

 

[fred cook]

Thanks for everything Marcus. But I’m not accepting my club being held over a barrell. That’s not leadership.

?????

 

[adogsfan5]

?????

Purely hypothetical mate. I don’t think it’s the case at all.

If Bont said re sign Bevo or I’m gone, I’m saying bye bye.

You can’t have a player with that amount of power, I’m sorry.

 

[Generation West]

Purely hypothetical mate. I don’t think it’s the case at all.

If Bont said re sign Bevo or I’m gone, I’m saying bye bye.

You can’t have a player with that amount of power, I’m sorry.

Yes you can. He is probably the one player in the league who can have that influence.

 

[adogsfan5]

Yes you can. He is probably the one player in the league who can have that influence.

I don’t like ultimatums. Theres better ways of dealing with things (again this is all hypothetical).

If he’s the only player in the league with that type of influence as you say, then to me that suggests we are a weak club at the top.

 

[DannyB4]

I don’t like ultimatums. Theres better ways of dealing with things (again this is all hypothetical).

If he’s the only player in the league with that type of influence as you say, then to me that suggests we are a weak club at the top.

Who said ultimatum? Could've simply been that if Bevo was moved on that Bont would've been more likely to accept Collingwood's inevitable big money offer.

We're paying him peanuts compared to what he'd be worth on the free market. Part of that has to do with his relationship with the coach.

Bont is 29, if he sees the coach depart this late into his career then its pretty clear we're not going to contend immediately amid the instability under a new coach, then he may as well take a punt at another finals club.

If Bont somehow ended up leaving then we may as well pack up shop because that would be the biggest failure in the clubs history.

 

[adogsfan5]

Who said ultimatum? Could've simply been that if Bevo was moved on that Bont would've been more likely to accept Collingwood's inevitable big money offer.

We're paying him peanuts compared to what he'd be worth on the free market. Part of that has to do with his relationship with the coach.

Bont is 29, if he sees the coach depart this late into his career then its pretty clear we're not going to contend immediately amid the instability under a new coach, then he may as well take a punt at another finals club.

If Bont somehow ended up leaving then we may as well pack up shop because that would be the biggest failure in the clubs history.

That was the whole point of the argument mate. It was about an ultimatum. The initial hypothetical question was - what if it was “no bevo, no bont”.

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[BEaston]

I don't think we're too far off but that could just be me.

The board has a tendency to catastrophise.

 

[lachy]

I don't think we're too far off but that could just be me.

The board has a tendency to catastrophise.

A tendency!!!!!!!

 

[Optimistic Dog]

I have been following this club for 65 years. We played the hawks in the GF in 1961 and a lot of lean years followed. The 2,000's have been our best period, where most seasons we have been in contention to play finals. A flag in 2016 and GF in 21 no longer the easy beats and scratching for survival for big periods prior to 2,000's.

Yet a lot of supporters are critical of the administration and coaching and want a lot more. Lucky they were not around in the 60s and 70"s.

Yes, I would like more success, but we are now a stable club, and we are genuine chance to play finals each season. Just need a flag to shut the naysayers up.

 

[Al dente]

they showed some telling footage on footy classified.

wings go to stoppages as an extra where other teams have them guarding the corridor.

forward 50 stoppage, boundary throw in, we had 10 players boundary and goal side of the ruckmen. collingwood have 4, and the rest guarding a corridor exit. hence we kick alot of stoppage goals, but leak as well.

we are the epitomy of an offensively coached/ minded side. the better teams can break even with one less player at stoppage for significant periods of the game, and reap maximum damage in that period.