List Mgmt. Off Season Changes

[X_box_X]

Does Luke blink?

Yes, but Paul Salmon and Brad Fisher don't because fish don't have eyelids.

 

[maddog37]

I wonder if Sam can find a spot for his brother in some sort of coaching role.


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He is off to the Saints on a 6 year $950k per annum contract.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

We are top of the pops of the teams that did not make finals finishing 9th. This gives us an unwanted advantage over teams playing finals. Four weeks over Grand Finalists this has got be an advantage in pre season for teams finishing 9 to 18i providing coaching and fitness staff use the extra time to cater for better fitness, tactics and skill improvement.

 

[X_box_X]

We are top of the pops of the teams that did not make finals finishing 9th. This gives us an unwanted advantage over teams playing finals. Four weeks over Grand Finalists this has got be an advantage in pre season for teams finishing 9 to 18i providing coaching and fitness staff use the extra time to cater for better fitness, tactics and skill improvement.

TBF, I don't think fitness was an issue this year although it's obviously very important to maintain or even better our current level to keep Josh Dunkley on edge. Skill level also not an issue but again it's important to continue working on our strengths so we don't come back to the pack.

 

[Foxman98]

TBF, I don't think fitness was an issue this year although it's obviously very important to maintain or even better our current level to keep Josh Dunkley on edge. Skill level also not an issue but again it's important to continue working on our strengths so we don't come back to the pack.

Given we actually came back in pretty much all the games we lost I would agree fitness no longer a full concern

 

[dogwatch]

Yes, but Paul Salmon and Brad Fisher don't because fish don't have eyelids.

Ling as well, I suppose.

 

[X_box_X]

Watching the top four teams over the past 24 hours makes me realise just how far behind we are from competing. Why do each of the top four, arguably the best four teams in it, all play similar defensive styles?

We'd be getting carved up. It's actually a good thing we didn't make finals but it's not a good thing that we stuck with Bevo, and it's obviously a very bad thing that he is so stubborn.

I'm confident we'd have at least four or five top four finishes since 2015 if we were coached by similar level coaches to that of Wallace & Eade.

Those who makes decisions at the Whitten Oval are blind sided by two Grand Finals & a premiership. Would we have a premiership or two if we had took Leon Cameron

Leon Cameron

Age

53

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185cm

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82kg

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Last 5

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17.2

4star

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12.4

5star

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4.7

3star

M

3.6

4star

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0.9

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No current season stats available

D

20.8

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

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0.8

3star

instead of Bevo? I'd be surprised if we didn't. I'd expect at least four top 4 finishes and probably 1-2 premierships and we'd be nose deep in this year's premiership race.

 

[lachy]

Watching the top four teams over the past 24 hours makes me realise just how far behind we are from competing. Why do each of the top four, arguably the best four teams in it, all play similar defensive styles?

We'd be getting carved up. It's actually a good thing we didn't make finals but it's not a good thing that we stuck with Bevo, and it's obviously a very bad thing that he is so stubborn.

I'm confident we'd have at least four or five top four finishes since 2015 if we were coached by similar level coaches to that of Wallace & Eade.

Those who makes decisions at the Whitten Oval are blind sided by two Grand Finals & a premiership. Would we have a premiership or two if we had took Leon Cameron instead of Bevo? I'd be surprised if we didn't. I'd expect at least four top 4 finishes and probably 1-2 premierships and we'd be nose deep in this year's premiership race.

A very contradictory post. We pushed every single of these teams so saying how far away from competing is a factual nonsense.

Using Eade and Cameron for top 4 finishes sounds nice, but zero flags between them.

Chris Scott has 8 top 4 finishes with no flags in any one of them. He has won as many flags and coached as many Grand Finals as Bev to date.

Yes we definitely need to improve our defending accross the ground if we want to challenge. Nwv has evolved our game over the last 2 seasons but it was not enough. However, we have also been playing more than 10 players per game witj under 50 games. Our current list needs a bit more time. Bev has next year to prove the board right or wrong, but your summation is nothing more than supposition with no supporting evidence

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

A very contradictory post. We pushed every single of these teams so saying how far away from competing is a factual nonsense.

Using Eade and Cameron for top 4 finishes sounds nice, but zero flags between them.

Chris Scott has 8 top 4 finishes with no flags in any one of them. He has won as many flags and coached as many Grand Finals as Bev to date.

Yes we definitely need to improve our defending accross the ground if we want to challenge. Nwv has evolved our game over the last 2 seasons but it was not enough. However, we have also been playing more than 10 players per game witj under 50 games. Our current list needs a bit more time. Bev has next year to prove the board right or wrong, but your summation is nothing more than supposition with no supporting evidence

Common theme in all our losses was that we got pushed off the ball.

Yes we have some brilliant players who keep us in the contest, but we are not going to beat anyone good until we can win more 1 on 1 contests.

 

[X_box_X]

A very contradictory post. We pushed every single of these teams so saying how far away from competing is a factual nonsense.

Using Eade and Cameron for top 4 finishes sounds nice, but zero flags between them.

Chris Scott has 8 top 4 finishes with no flags in any one of them. He has won as many flags and coached as many Grand Finals as Bev to date.

Yes we definitely need to improve our defending accross the ground if we want to challenge. Nwv has evolved our game over the last 2 seasons but it was not enough. However, we have also been playing more than 10 players per game witj under 50 games. Our current list needs a bit more time. Bev has next year to prove the board right or wrong, but your summation is nothing more than supposition with no supporting evidence

TBF, Cameron & Eade never had Bontempelli. So that's unfair.

Also, you might want to check your facts re. Scott winning as many flags as Bevo. He's on his way to a third.

 

[dogwatch]

Watching the top four teams over the past 24 hours makes me realise just how far behind we are from competing. Why do each of the top four, arguably the best four teams in it, all play similar defensive styles?

We'd be getting carved up. It's actually a good thing we didn't make finals but it's not a good thing that we stuck with Bevo, and it's obviously a very bad thing that he is so stubborn.

I'm confident we'd have at least four or five top four finishes since 2015 if we were coached by similar level coaches to that of Wallace & Eade.

Those who makes decisions at the Whitten Oval are blind sided by two Grand Finals & a premiership. Would we have a premiership or two if we had took Leon Cameron instead of Bevo? I'd be surprised if we didn't. I'd expect at least four top 4 finishes and probably 1-2 premierships and we'd be nose deep in this year's premiership race.

Big call. Some good points. We’d be lucky to beat any of the top 4. But I can’t agree we’d have 4x top four finishes under Cameron.

 

[lachy]

TBF, Cameron & Eade never had Bontempelli. So that's unfair.

Also, you might want to check your facts re. Scott winning as many flags as Bevo. He's on his way to a third.

Not since Bev has been coaching

 

[lachy]

Common theme in all our losses was that we got pushed off the ball.

Yes we have some brilliant players who keep us in the contest, but we are not going to beat anyone good until we can win more 1 on 1 contests.

Look at the statistics of players who win 1v1 contests and see how many at that stage had less than 4 years in the system

 

[lachy]

TBF, Cameron & Eade never had Bontempelli. So that's unfair.

Also, you might want to check your facts re. Scott winning as many flags as Bevo. He's on his way to a third.

Cameron had a massive squad at GWS, significantly better than we have had. And Eade may not have had Bont but he also did not have Roberts, Cordy, Hamling, VDM, Young etc either

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Look at the statistics of players who win 1v1 contests and see how many at that stage had less than 4 years in the system

What about Van der Meer, Bramble, McNeil and JJ - what’s their excuse?

 

[lachy]

What about Van der Meer, Bramble, McNeil and JJ

Not sure your good at maths. 10 of 22 is nearly 50%. 4 of 22 is less than 20%. And what are the stats of the 4 you mention?

2 of which I cannot I understand how they keep getting a game but what are their 1 v1 stats

And not one of the players have played under 50 games and had less than 4 years in the system so not even sure what point, if any you are attempting to make

 

[dogsuperfan]

TBF, I don't think fitness was an issue this year although it's obviously very important to maintain or even better our current level to keep Josh Dunkley on edge. Skill level also not an issue but again it's important to continue working on our strengths so we don't come back to the pack.

I feel like physical strength was an issue for us. especially that Adelaide game we were monstered in every marking contest. Even when some of our players go in for a tackle they can barely hold on.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Not sure your good at maths. 10 of 22 is nearly 50%. 4 of 22 is less than 20%. And what are the stats of the 4 you mention?

2 of which I cannot I understand how they keep getting a game but what are their 1 v1 stats

And not one of the players have played under 50 games and had less than 4 years in the system so not even sure what point, if any you are attempting to make

We have one of the oldest lists. Yet it is somehow our lack of physical development holding us back.

my question is- why do we keep recruiting and selectors players who keep getting monstered in marking and contested ball situations?

 

[CarnTheScray]

I know it’s in a Bulldog supporters nature to be pessimistic, but we are not THAT far off it.

Get new personnel in defence and we will be okay.

 

[lachy]

We have one of the oldest lists. Yet it is somehow our lack of physical development holding us back.

my question is- why do we keep recruiting and selectors players who keep getting monstered in marking and contested ball situations?

We actually play one of the least experienced lists. Not sure what you are basing your assumptions on.

A few experienced players throw out the overall stats. Against Freo we had 10 players under 50 games, they had 3.

We keep playing these players to get them experience as they are better than alternatives and get games into them. 6 are still playing VFL.

Buss
Hynes
Sanders
Darcy
Jacques
Croft
JOD
Dolan
Freijah
Davidson
Smith
Sellwood
Walker

That is 13 who have not had the minimum 4 years in the system to do a full pre season to get close to full strength for 1 v 1 contest and experience. That's 30% of the list. Why do we keep selecting under developed players? We don’t have an old list, we have a group ofnolder players that skew statistics if we can't be bothered analysing it.

We were never a real challenger this season but we are close as if even 8 or 9 of the above come on physically naturally as they should the issues 1 v 1 will be taken care of

 

[doggy_dog]

Someone else has said it already but we need an offseason like Adelaide last year. Experienced role players. Adding Peatling and ANB rounded out their team really nicely along with some natural progression.

While our overall recruitment has been good I’d argue we’re poor at identifying specific role players

 

[BEaston]

Leon Cameron

Leon Cameron

Age

53

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.9

3star

No current season stats available

D

20.8

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

was a hard nosed coach in the same mould of McCartney which had caused a player exodus. I don't believe there's any way his style would have been more successful Bevo's with that player group.

 

[Maverick Dog]

Cameron had a massive squad at GWS, significantly better than we have had. And Eade may not have had Bont but he also did not have Roberts, Cordy, Hamling, VDM, Young etc either

Yes 16 team was pretty average on paper but was tough as nails and the previous coach even though was incompetent made them all competitive beasts who were mentally tough. Bevo came in at the right time instilled belief in them, freed up the game plan. Interestingly Bevos boys apart from Bont and Libba have demonstrated continuously over the past 6 years they lack the same attributes, apart from some father and sons.

if Wallace or Eade had been gifted such talent in their prime, had elite facilities and financial stability they would have won multiple flags and 5 or more top 4 finshes. Bevos game plan does not hold up in finals and he is too stubborn to change. The stars aligned in 16 including favourable umpiring something Eade and Wallace never received..

 

[Maverick Dog]

Leon Cameron was a hard nosed coach in the same mould of McCartney which had caused a player exodus. I don't believe there's any way his style would have been more successful Bevo's with that player group.

But as Roughead said on a podcast he attributed the 16 success a lot to BMac. He instilled attributes in the playing group that Bevo cannot. In saying that he was a crap coach in every other way. Bevos kumbayah approach has some positives in building relationships and not having a mass player exodus but players who want success like Dunkley and co will leave because they know his coaching style will not deliver another flag.

 

[maddog37]

But as Roughead said on a podcast he attributed the 16 success a lot to BMac. He instilled attributes in the playing group that Bevo cannot. In saying that he was a crap coach in every other way. Bevos kumbayah approach has some positives in building relationships and not having a mass player exodus but players who want success like Dunkley and co will leave because they know his coaching style will not deliver another flag.

What a load of tosh. Dunkley left for cash. Who is this “and co” you speak of too?