List Mgmt. Off Season Changes

[Maverick Dog]

What a load of tosh. Dunkley left for cash. Who is this “and co” you speak of too?

Definitely not cash, tell me the difference the lions and dogs offer. After tax it was minimal, It was professional standards.

 

[dogwatch]

Definitely not cash, tell me the difference the lions and dogs offer. After tax it was minimal, It was professional standards.

But Dunkley’s first choice was Essendon. What did they offer? Sounds like there was another dynamic involved in Dunkley’s departure.

 

[Maverick Dog]

But Dunkley’s first choice was Essendon. What did they offer? Sounds like there was another dynamic involved in Dunkley’s departure.

Yes correct, bombers offered significantly more than us and Lions but after 2 more years with us he did not chase the cash anymore.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Watching the top four teams over the past 24 hours makes me realise just how far behind we are from competing. Why do each of the top four, arguably the best four teams in it, all play similar defensive styles?

We'd be getting carved up. It's actually a good thing we didn't make finals but it's not a good thing that we stuck with Bevo, and it's obviously a very bad thing that he is so stubborn.

I'm confident we'd have at least four or five top four finishes since 2015 if we were coached by similar level coaches to that of Wallace & Eade.

Those who makes decisions at the Whitten Oval are blind sided by two Grand Finals & a premiership. Would we have a premiership or two if we had took Leon Cameron instead of Bevo? I'd be surprised if we didn't. I'd expect at least four top 4 finishes and probably 1-2 premierships and we'd be nose deep in this year's premiership race.

Here what to say but there no way you can prove it. Change our style to a more defensive one and we may score 5 goals less and have 5 goals less kicked against. Really think it gets down to personal and Bevo has a say on who we get in especially on the trade front. So not having more quality defensive stocks is partly on him.

 

[maddog37]

Definitely not cash, tell me the difference the lions and dogs offer. After tax it was minimal, It was professional standards.

And the “and co” part of your post??

 

[The Inbetweener]

And the “and co” part of your post??

Baz?

 

[Dogman 1]

Baz?

Bevo has to stop playing favourites, quite a few get games when they shouldn't. They don't perform over and over yet he sticks with them.

 

[Mhiggo]

Reminds me of a long boring story I heard 2nd hand when a young person at my former place of employment got promoted in a specialised technical role very early, above much more senior and qualified technical people.

The response from the selectors was that the new person has skills that weren't obvious or considered by those looking on.... Like they were a great 'networker', for example....

Anyway, you all need to consider they vdm and McNeil have skills that don't seem obvious.....

When you find them, please let me know...

That often means the qualified technical people are grumpy old blokes that no one wants to work, they want too much money or both. So in the case of VDM and McNeil they're good blokes and do what the coach asks them to do?

 

[BEaston]

But as Roughead said on a podcast he attributed the 16 success a lot to BMac. He instilled attributes in the playing group that Bevo cannot. In saying that he was a crap coach in every other way. Bevos kumbayah approach has some positives in building relationships and not having a mass player exodus but players who want success like Dunkley and co will leave because they know his coaching style will not deliver another flag.

Just says to me that the timing was right for a Bevo style coach to come in.

Bmac did some good groundwork - but he wasn't taking any team to a grand final, let alone a premiership.

Bevo was miles ahead of Bmac strategically as well. He instantaneously transformed the team into a contender, mostly by game plan redesign. People may forget that now.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

I get that part of our brand is to hold the ball into offensive 50 and this was part of why we were the highest scoring team. But…At this level you should be able to defend, run to position and kick goals - particularly under pressure. The best off season changes for us are replacing McNeil, VDM with Weightman and Artie. We need to settle with:

West (rotating mid) Darcy Croft

Artie Naughton Harmes/Hynes

Dolan as sub!



Mids are settled but I expect to see Jacques come through - all class and speed.

English Bont Libba

Davidson Richards Jacques

Subs Kennedy Sanders Garcia


Backs need a change - could come from within. Friejah was great in the back half as he started and is aggressive - rotate him with Williams (allowing Fridge to rotate in the midfield? and play a harder backman with a punishing kick.

Friejah Lobb Dale

Bramble Buss JOD

Sub Williams playing the Matty Boyd role leaving his player to help cover

Buss is the weakness and amplified because when he is being touched up - it forces Lobb Back and we lose the lead intercept marking. I assume Jones will be delisted and Gards - we tried but didn’t work out - ok backup though.

My target would be to go for a star - Ballard / a genuine star who might want the but is contracted - of course Wilke if he is possible.

Best up and comer looks like Leek Allir (we could still get him if we paid a similar amount promised by Saints. But I would go for Riccardi to plays as FB. He did a good job when swung back and is big and strong and fight.

Most likely: Butts, T Young, Blanck or Serong. Not of which are stars. Buss was arguably the best FB on BFL before call up. So deserved a go but didn’t take his chance - yet. I feel like JOD will make it but not sure on Buss.

Cleary was good and probably deserve his role. Selwood looks pretty good but not proven Walker also looks fantastic (even forward) but will need to earn his spot and also - not really a need as he would be playing on JODs intercept marking 3rd tall role. JOD will get better with muscle and power.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

We can challenge. However, looking at the first week of the finals there are not many going to drop off. Possibly the pies with their age and maybe GWS.

We need a good start and good run with injuries. Protect Bonts calves we need him fit and raring to go.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Definitely not cash, tell me the difference the lions and dogs offer. After tax it was minimal, It was professional standards.

Think it an extra year Brissy offered, the per year dollars were pretty spot on.

But Dunkley’s first choice was Essendon. What did they offer? Sounds like there was another dynamic involved in Dunkley’s departure.

Bombers convincing to Dunks to demand a trade with two years left on his deal then flat out refusing to negotiate in good faith is the perfect example of why they are where they are today.

 

[Pocket Terrace]

I know it’s in a Bulldog supporters nature to be pessimistic, but we are not THAT far off it.

Get new personnel in defence and we will be okay.

I’m usually quite optimistic and can usually find the good. I had a cracking day at Box Hill a few weeks ago watching the likes of Dolan, Jacques, Hynes and Croft.

But the past few seasons have drained a bit of that, to the point where I find the way our senior side plays to be predictably stale and frustrating.

I don’t mean to be a smart arse and I hope it doesn’t come across that way, but which defensive personnel additions are going to magically fix a ruck who is picked for whatever he does outside of the ruck, an overly compressed set up behind the ball, unskilled and non-damaging role players, and an inability to at least halve 1v1s in between the arcs?

 

[King Harold]

I’m usually quite optimistic and can usually find the good. I had a cracking day at Box Hill a few weeks ago watching the likes of Dolan, Jacques, Hynes and Croft.

But the past few seasons have drained a bit of that, to the point where I find the way our senior side plays to be predictably stale and frustrating.

I don’t mean to be a smart arse and I hope it doesn’t come across that way, but which defensive personnel additions are going to magically fix a ruck who is picked for whatever he does outside of the ruck, an overly compressed set up behind the ball, unskilled and non-damaging role players, and an inability to at least halve 1v1s in between the arcs?

really sums up where we are at.
Whilst Tim has plenty of ability, ruck work is not one of those abilities.
And your role role player comment is highlighted when watching the top 4 teams battle it out.

 

[Mr. Walker]

I know it’s in a Bulldog supporters nature to be pessimistic, but we are not THAT far off it.

Get new personnel in defence and we will be okay.

Maybe it is the pessimist in me but what I have taken away from these finals game is how far off it we are. The manic pressure, skills under pressure, ability to defend and sticking tackles is vastly superior to what we bri!ng

 

[CarnTheScray]

I’m usually quite optimistic and can usually find the good. I had a cracking day at Box Hill a few weeks ago watching the likes of Dolan, Jacques, Hynes and Croft.

But the past few seasons have drained a bit of that, to the point where I find the way our senior side plays to be predictably stale and frustrating.

I don’t mean to be a smart arse and I hope it doesn’t come across that way, but which defensive personnel additions are going to magically fix a ruck who is picked for whatever he does outside of the ruck, an overly compressed set up behind the ball, unskilled and non-damaging role players, and an inability to at least halve 1v1s in between the arcs?

I agree with all those criticisms too don’t you worry. Especially the ruck. I don’t see us ever winning a flag with a ruck that show no aggression. What Gold Coast did last night would not have happened to us because our mids would not have gotten a first look at the ball.

Some of the other points are just symptoms of our bad defensive personnel.

 

[doggiesin08]

But Dunkley’s first choice was Essendon. What did they offer? Sounds like there was another dynamic involved in Dunkley’s departure.

I think there was a big American sports attitude with the Dunkley move. He frofths the NBA culture where players are constantly changing clubs, and I think he liked being the marquee recruit. He may have chilled out a bit, but when he first moved my guess was he would become a 3/4 club player.

I think he was also very keen on building an off field brand - see his podcast with Ads, Coles Express hot pockets, that weird business he tried to do with his siblings - and realised he was never going to get the attention here over Bont and Bailey Smith.

 

[TMoney22]

Play half the game style, get half the result. Pretty simple we are stuck in the middle.
Wonder if VDM or Davidson can apply a hard tag? Darcy rucks the forward line with English a kick behind. West up around the ball 5mins per qtr when Weighman is back. Plenty of options to be a bit more defensive

 

[perro_loco]

TBF, Cameron & Eade never had Bontempelli. So that's unfair.

Also, you might want to check your facts re. Scott winning as many flags as Bevo. He's on his way to a third.

Scott is miles ahead of Beveridge as a coach. You are right on this appraisal. I would caution, as has been said, that we had 10 players with less than 50 games. Experience counts for a lot, but you are right, I am glad we did not play finals because it would have been a drabbing. By the way, the most impressive victory to me in these finals was Gold Coast. Very well coached. moving MacAndrew to the forward line in the last two minutes of the final quarter was a master stroke. Hardwick can coach and GC will be a very, very tough team to beat next year. We need to improve our pressure, tackling (very poor), game plan and we need to get a couple of very, very good defenders. If not, expect a drop from 9th to around12th-16th.

 

[perro_loco]

What about Van der Meer, Bramble, McNeil and JJ - what’s their excuse?

That is a conga line of spuds. No way, you win a premiership with 4 such liabilities. These guys would not get a game in any of the top 4 teams.

 

[doggiesin08]

Scott is miles ahead of Beveridge as a coach. You are right on this appraisal. I would caution, as has been said, that we had 10 players with less than 50 games. Experience counts for a lot, but you are right, I am glad we did not play finals because it would have been a drabbing. By the way, the most impressive victory to me in these finals was Gold Coast. Very well coached. moving MacAndrew to the forward line in the last two minutes of the final quarter was a master stroke. Hardwick can coach and GC will be a very, very tough team to beat next year. We need to improve our pressure, tackling (very poor), game plan and we need to get a couple of very, very good defenders. If not, expect a drop from 9th to around12th-16th.

The Mac Andrews move was reactionary to Josh Treacy going down back rather than proactive. The better coaching move would have been doing it some time before Alex Pearce had taken his 6th intercept mark (3 of them contested) on Ethan Read for the quarter.

Our views on coaching are so often reactionary to the result. With a minute to go Hardwick was going to be in the gun for selecting Swallow on sentiment after his turnover resulted in the goal that put the Dockers ahead. A minute later and it was a masterstroke - side note: it really is a game of inches, 1 inch lower and Swallow’s kick is properly smothered, 1 inch higher and he probably doesn’t make the distance.

 

[stefoid]

well, rucks tend to play well into their 30s, so it would be silly to get rid of Tim now. His ruckwork will incrementally get better.

I would like to see him belt the ball out of the stoppage area occasionally if the oppostiion mids are getting on a tear though. mix it up.

Our main problem continues to be our system and for better or worse, that relies purely on bevo.

 

[huddo#9]

But Dunkley’s first choice was Essendon. What did they offer? Sounds like there was another dynamic involved in Dunkley’s departure.

Only because daddy did a deal that included Kyle. Daddy wasn't a smart operator.

 

[DannyB4]

That is a conga line of spuds. No way, you win a premiership with 4 such liabilities. These guys would not get a game in any of the top 4 teams.

Norm Smith Medallist = Liability to win a premiership?

 

[DannyB4]

side note: it really is a game of inches, 1 inch lower and Swallow’s kick is properly smothered, 1 inch higher and he probably doesn’t make the distance.

Centimetre perfect as Dennis would say.