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* Roarke Smith appears to have been elevated to the senior list as well as being contracted for a further two years.

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Ryan Gardner (WB Rookie) has been elevated to the senior list.

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Cody Raak (WB NGA) has been listed as a Category B Rookie

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Robbie McComb (Footscray) has been selected with pick 23 in the rookie draft.

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24 yo Charlie Parker (Sturt) was selected with pick 17 in the rookie draft.

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Luke Cleary (Sandringham) selected at Pick 61

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Arthur Jones (Claremont) selected at Pick 43

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Sam Darcy joins the Bulldogs as Father/Son player (third generation) after the Dogs matched a GWS bid for him at pick #2. It cost of picks 34, 42, 43, 44 and 45.

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The WB have engineered two trades of draft picks on draft night before selections even started.

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Stef Martin has signed on for another year.

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Easton Wood :trophy: has announced his retirement despite having a year left on his contract.


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Ben Cavarra and Will Hayes have been delisted.


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Mitch Wallis has signed a one year contract extension.


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Roarke Smith has signed for another two years.


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Patrick Lipinski has been traded to Collingwood for pick 43


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Jordon Sweet has re-signed for another two years - until 2023


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Lewis Young (22, 24 games) has been traded to Carlton in a three-way deal involving West Coast, effectively in return for pick 52.


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Tim O'Brien (27, 193cm, 90kg, 97 games) has joined the WB from Hawthorn as an unrestricted free agent.

  • WB have completed a four-way trade of picks acquiring picks 23, 44 and 45 (1524 points) in exchange for picks 17 and 75 (1025 points)
  • Lewis Young (22) has requested a trade to Carlton
  • Paddy Lipinski (23) has requested a trade to Collingwood


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Lin Jong (28) has retired.
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OP:
I don't know if people actually read all the posts in the trades thread, the draft thread and the various other trade-season discussion threads. If you do you deserve a medal. Or may be a kick up the arse for not doing anything productive with your time.

Anyway, as in other years, here's a thread for 2021 Western Bulldog trade, draft and other list management news so you can check in once or twice a day and get a quick synopsis all in the one place.

No discussion in this thread please.

Acceptable:
  • WB players officially requesting a trade to another club
  • Players officially requesting a trade to the Bulldogs
  • Execution of any such trade (lodged with AFL)
  • Completed trades for draft picks (lodged with AFL)
  • Officially nominated or completed free agent moves involving the Bulldogs
  • Players officially nominating us as their preferred destination under Father/Son and NGA rules (also any expected FS/NGA nomination of us that doesn't eventuate by the deadline)
  • WB player confirmed delistings and retirements
  • Draft selections (but if we have a whole separate thread for draft night that's OK instead)
  • Club-announced contract renewals
  • An official list of off-season dates and deadlines (eg when various trade periods start/end)
Take it elsewhere:
  • Vague rumours, including those hot tips you got from a mate or some other board
  • Random media speculation including social media
  • Fake news
  • Discussion of any particular player, trade, list hole, draftee, draft points issue, etc
  • Coaching changes (there's a separate thread for that)
  • Repetition of something already posted
  • News of list changes at other clubs that don't involve current or soon-to-be WB players (not even if they are WB past players)
  • Anything else that distracts from a neat summary of the news
 
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Lin Jong has officially retired
 
Paddy Lipinski has requested a trade to Collingwood
 

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Lewis Young has requested a trade to Carlton
 
WB have completed a complex 4-way trade of picks:

TRADE SUMMARY

Melbourne
In: 17, 37, 49
Out: Future first, 33, 45


Western Bulldogs
In: 23, 44, 45
Out: 17, 75


Adelaide
In: Future first (Melbourne), 33, 75
Out: 23, 37, 44, 62, 66, future fourth


St Kilda
In: 62, 66, future fourth (Adelaide)
Out: 49

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Here's what it means in points for us:
In: 815+362+347 = 1524
Out: 1025+0

Net points gained = 499

1524 points will cover us for a bid on Sam Darcy from pick 5 onward (pick 5 = 1878, less 20% discount = 1503).
Any higher bid (1-4) will require supplementary points and/or carrying a points deficit into 2022.
 
Tim O'Brien (193cm and 90kg+) joins the WB as an unrestricted free agent, after 97 games and 73 goals with Hawthorn. He was pick 28 in the 2012 draft.
 
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Draft points update:
The acquisition of pick 52 now gives us 1770 points which is comfortably enough to match a draft bid at pick 4 for Sam Darcy and only 22 points short of enough for a bid at pick 3.
 
dogwatch said:
Draft points update:
The acquisition of pick 52 now gives us 1770 points which is comfortably enough to match a draft bid at pick 4 for Sam Darcy and only 22 points short of enough for a bid at pick 3.
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Sorry dogwatch, not discussion and not trying to be smart, but what is pick 2 value with the relevant discount? (Feel free to delete post if you'd prefer to update your post.)
Edit: just thought it might be releavnt given the mooted bid by GWS.
 
footscray1973 said:
Sorry dogwatch, not discussion and not trying to be smart, but what is pick 2 value with the relevant discount? (Feel free to delete post if you'd prefer to update your post.)
Edit: just thought it might be releavnt given the mooted bid by GWS.
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No problem as a one-off.
Pick 2 (2517) with a 20% discount is 2014 points, so we'd need another 244 points (equal to say pick 51 ... since we already have pick 52).
And before you ask, pick 1 is 3000 which comes down to 2400 pts with the discount, so we'd need another 630 pts (about pick 30).

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Jordon Sweet has re-signed for another two years - until 2023.
 
Patrick Lipinski traded to Collingwood for pick 43
 
The acquisition of pick 43 (for Lipinski) gives us an extra 378 draft points.
This means with picks 23, 43, 44, 45 and 52 (and also pick 93 which has no points value) we now have 2148 points. With the 20% discount it means we can match any bid for Sam Darcy up to and including pick #2 and get a late pick back with the loose change.

It's a complex business because of the way picks get shuffled up and down when bids are matched, but if our draft hand doesn't change before draft night this is how I think we'd shape up for any top 10 bid on Sam Darcy. Happy to be corrected if I've got it wrong.

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A deficit of 252 points carried forward to 2022 would shuffle our first pick down anywhere from one place (pick 1 down to pick 2) to four places (pick 9 down to 13) to eight places (pick 18 :trophy::) down to pick 26).
 
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Roarke Smith has signed for another two years.
 
Easton Wood announces his retirement.
 
Stef Martin has extended for another year. (Yeah, old news I know ... just bringing the thread up to date)
 
www.afl.com.au

Live pick swaps drop as early bids come for sons of guns

Clubs were busy live trading even before the No.1 pick was called out
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THE WESTERN Bulldogs have instigated two live pick swaps to maximise its draft hand ahead of matching Greater Western Sydney's bid on father-son Sam Darcy at No.2.

The first deal involved the Bulldogs off-loading their first selection – currently pick No.23 – to Geelong and acquiring picks No.32 and 34 in return.

They backed up minutes later by dealing 32, 52 and a future third-round selection to North Melbourne in exchange for 42, 47 and a future third.
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What happened and where we stand after the first night of the National Draft:

We entered National Draft night 1 with picks 23, 43, 44, 45 and 52 (plus some later round picks if needed, but with no points value).

At the start of the night we traded in picks 32, 34, 42 and 47 but traded out one of those (pick 32) plus picks 23 and 52. We also did a swap of future thirds with North but that has no bearing on the 2021 draft.

This left us with picks 34, 42, 43, 44, 45 and 47.
We used picks 34, 42, 43, 44, and 45 with a total value 2024 points to match the bid on Sam Darcy at #2 (2517 pts less 20% = 2014 pts).
This left us with pick 47 plus I think pick 73 (worth 9 points) which we are awarded due to the residual points after matching the Darcy bid (10 points left over).

These picks are moved backward one place for each matched bid above them, but forward by as many picks as are used to match those bids. That's because those matching picks can no longer be used to select players, hence everything after them shuffles up to take their place.

All of that, along with whatever jiggerypokery the AFL has added (priority picks, compensations picks, residual pick for Collingwood after Daicos matched bid) means the Bulldogs are now left with picks 41 and 64 at the commencement of night 2. That is, pick 47 came forward to become pick 41 and pick 73 became pick 64.

That's my reading of it anyway, with a bit of help from Lore's nifty draft spreadsheet. Happy to be corrected.

And of course it could all change as Night 2 unfolds. If there are further matched bids there will be more shuffling up and down.
There could be more trading of picks too, although that becomes much less likely as they get down to the later rounds.
 
dogwatch said:
What happened and where we stand after the first night of the National Draft:

We entered National Draft night 1 with picks 23, 43, 44, 45 and 52 (plus some later round picks if needed, but with no points value).

At the start of the night we traded in picks 32, 34, 42 and 47 but traded out one of those (pick 32) plus picks 23 and 52. We also did a swap of future thirds with North but that has no bearing on the 2021 draft.

This left us with picks 34, 42, 43, 44, 45 and 47.
We used picks 34, 42, 43, 44, and 45 with a total value 2024 points to match the bid on Sam Darcy at #2 (2517 pts less 20% = 2014 pts).
This left us with pick 47 plus I think pick 73 (worth 9 points) which we are awarded due to the residual points after matching the Darcy bid (10 points left over).

These picks are moved backward one place for each matched bid above them, but forward by as many picks as are used to match those bids. That's because those matching picks can no longer be used to select players, hence everything after them shuffles up to take their place.

All of that, along with whatever jiggerypokery the AFL has added (priority picks, compensations picks, residual pick for Collingwood after Daicos matched bid) means the Bulldogs are now left with picks 41 and 64 at the commencement of night 2. That is, pick 47 came forward to become pick 41 and pick 73 became pick 64.

That's my reading of it anyway, with a bit of help from Lore's nifty draft spreadsheet. Happy to be corrected.

And of course it could all change as Night 2 unfolds. If there are further matched bids there will be more shuffling up and down.
There could be more trading of picks too, although that becomes much less likely as they get down to the later rounds.
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Great summary, thanks.
 
National Draft picks
Night 1:
Pick 2 (F/S, matched bid): Sam Darcy, 205cm, 73kg (?), 19/07/03​

Night 2:
Pick 43: Arthur Jones, Claremont, 179cm, 65kg, 18/07/03​
Pick 61: Luke Cleary, Sandringham, 189cm, 80kg 05/03/02​
 
Charlie Parker drafted with rookie pick 17
Robbie McComb drafted with rookie pick 23
Cody Raak drafted as a cat B rookie
Ryan Gardner elevated to main list

www.westernbulldogs.com.au

2021 Draft wrap: Dom Milesi on new Bulldogs

National Recruiting Manager Dom Milesi gives a rundown on the Bulldogs welcomed over the 2021 draft period.
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