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[Bazzar]

I imagine it came out in the media then (ironically when the review was well and truly underway).

Carro was talking about it and said only a handful of clubs give the heads up to the assistants by the due date

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Well based on this post I am now looking forward to seeing the EY logo on our jumper next year given the amazing opportunity we present to them for increasing their brand awareness.

You are also well aware that a big 4 accounting is extremely limited in its ability to trade fees for sponsorship. They have a marketing department for sponsorships for this reason. Never fee related! And comparing the ratings of the brownlow to a football review the club does not want publicised is again incredibly disingenuous.

Given what kiwi does for a job, I think he has a better idea on this than anyone else here

 

[Helen Wheels]

Well based on this post I am I know looking forward to seeing the EY logo on our jumper next year given the amazing opportunity we present to them for increasing their brand awareness.

I have my sarcasm detector switched on but in all seriousness, can't see us wearing the EY logo, just as KPMG don't appear on the AFL's list of corporate partners.
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/partners/corporate-partners

 

[Punt rd end]

What's your figure then mate?

$100k and some contra I would assume to be the minimum for 10 months work having known what these companies charge?

It's still a sizeable pool of money when you think of what that could have been put towards and so far, all I've seen is shuffling of deck chairs, blame on assistants for the bad season and recommendation to get a senior footy administrator.

You would of done more for nothing.

Still lots of questions for mine.

10 weeks not 10 months........big difference

 

[Punt rd end]

I have my sarcasm detector switched on but in all seriousness, can't see us wearing the EY logo, just as KPMG don't appear on the AFL's list of corporate partners.
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/partners/corporate-partners

But we all know who they are now and it has been all over the media.

 

[1980]

Given what kiwi does for a job, I think he has a better idea on this than anyone else here

Agreed, and its because of what he does for a job that he should be posting more accurately on this subject.

 

[Helen Wheels]

But we all know who they are now and it has been all over the media.

Fair enough. They got publicity. Maybe that's all they got.
Like everybody else, I knew they were big time.
But one thing I was impressed by is that EY have a dedicated football auditing department.
It gives their review greater cred.

 

[1980]

I have my sarcasm detector switched on but in all seriousness, can't see us wearing the EY logo, just as KPMG don't appear on the AFL's list of corporate partners.
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/partners/corporate-partners

Im glad you have your sarcasm detector on. But maybe crank it up a little more

 

[TiggerMan22]

Do they? How so?

The answer is just finishing outside top 4 twice.
And the year we didn't winning more games in a row than what we won in total this year. Which was also our longest in what? 2 decades?

 

[Helen Wheels]

Agree.
It sure ain't popular around these parts but give him a fit list with a couple of better recruits and you'll see a game style that'll knock your socks off.

No doubt we'll have a different game plan in 2017, whether Dimma is coach or not. EDIT: Expect more tackling.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Agreed, and its because of what he does for a job that he should be posting more accurately on this subject.

You're disagreeing with him though

You're saying the club paid $1m (source???) He said $100-150k

 

[Tigerbob]

10 weeks not 10 months........big difference

An error, meant ten weeks. Same questions apply. If ten months then much bigger fee would be had.

 

[KiwiTiger]

Well based on this post I am now looking forward to seeing the EY logo on our jumper next year given the amazing opportunity we present to them for increasing their brand awareness.

You are also well aware that a big 4 accounting is extremely limited in its ability to trade fees for sponsorship. They have a marketing department for sponsorships for this reason. Never fee related! And comparing the ratings of the brownlow to a football review the club does not want publicised is again incredibly disingenuous.

With audit fees you definitely cannot. Consulting fees are another matter. But firms will take things like Brownlow promotion into account when quoting.

Haere Ra

 

[CoggaRules]

All I am going to say about this review, or so called review, and the appointments and shuffling is that there is some ****ing weird shit happening at tigerland atm and it aint making me any more confident in the way forward. The end...like real weird, ****ing out there shit...i mean, get real FFS, the board didnt have an inkling that there was anything wrong with the infrastructure and the list until the **** up of this year? Like really? and these gurus are making more descicions? ****ing strange stuff

 

[Bazzar]

All I am going to say about this review, or so called review, and the appointments and shuffling is that there is some ******* weird shit happening at tigerland atm and it aint making me any more confident in the way forward. The end...like real weird, ******* out there shit...i mean, get real FFS, the board didnt have an inkling that there was anything wrong with the infrastructure and the list until the **** up of this year? Like really? and these gurus are making more descicions? ******* strange stuff

You've read the report, or at least a draft?

 

[CoggaRules]

You've read the report, or at least a draft?

no..have you ? has anyone seen it? are we going to see it?

 

[Punt rd end]

no..have you ? has anyone seen it? are we going to see it?

Do you really want the findings of the review made public for all the other clubs to peruse

 

[Ned_Flanders]

All I am going to say about this review, or so called review, and the appointments and shuffling is that there is some ******* weird shit happening at tigerland atm and it aint making me any more confident in the way forward. The end...like real weird, ******* out there shit...i mean, get real FFS, the board didnt have an inkling that there was anything wrong with the infrastructure and the list until the **** up of this year? Like really? and these gurus are making more descicions? ******* strange stuff

Often its more a case of either:

A) it not being obvious until a critical failure occurs (ie the canary's in the coalmine get confused with one off or isolated issues)

Or

B) changes occur which make the structure no longer viable or vulnerable to new pressures

For me, three key things (so far) have been revealed:

1) there were concerning things about dimma in the report, but no word on what. Hints of issues managing the assistants have been said here however, and I suspect he will have much less to do with the assistants outside of footy issues now.

2) we are keeping on fj as a consultant (which could be 1 day a week or glorified scouting - who knows), and richo has been moved into a contracts role. Plus its rumoured we are expanding our number of recruiters. This is a big one for me, because I think its not only highlighted that we need more grunts on the ground, bit the workload was too small for just Blair and fj roles alone.

3) balme being hired means we have acknowledged the job was far too big for an experienced richo to learn on the run.

These are all structural learnings, and independent of any calls on who is the right man for the right job.

 

[CoggaRules]

Do you really want the findings of the review made public for all the other clubs to peruse

No...I want them emailed to me that pays for 2 memberships and in turn their ****ing wages..could be a good start me thinks

 

[CoggaRules]

Often its more a case of either:

A) it not being obvious until a critical failure occurs (ie the canary's in the coalmine get confused with one off or isolated issues)

Or

B) changes occur which make the structure no longer viable or vulnerable to new pressures

For me, three key things (so far) have been revealed:

1) there were concerning things about dimma in the report, but no word on what. Hints of issues managing the assistants have been said here however, and I suspect he will have much less to do with the assistants outside of footy issues now.

2) we are keeping on fj as a consultant (which could be 1 day a week or glorified scouting - who knows), and richo has been moved into a contracts role. Plus its rumoured we are expanding our number of recruiters. This is a big one for me, because I think its not only highlighted that we need more grunts on the ground, bit the workload was too small for just Blair and fj roles alone.

3) balme being hired means we have acknowledged the job was far too big for an experienced richo to learn on the run.

These are all structural learnings, and independent of any calls on who is the right man for the right job.

Sorry man, it dont take 7 years to learn these structural learnings..Lets put it this way, did they canvass any other indicviduals for the job? Like how did they come to the conclusion it had to be Balme? like was there any structured program put in place to source out the best candidate? or did we once again jump on the next bus leaving town because it suits the landscape in terms of bringing an ex player back...like i have a million questions to put to these muppets so we can understand that they are not once again pulling every tiger heads dicks.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Often its more a case of either:

A) it not being obvious until a critical failure occurs (ie the canary's in the coalmine get confused with one off or isolated issues)

Or

B) changes occur which make the structure no longer viable or vulnerable to new pressures

For me, three key things (so far) have been revealed:

1) there were concerning things about dimma in the report, but no word on what. Hints of issues managing the assistants have been said here however, and I suspect he will have much less to do with the assistants outside of footy issues now.

2) we are keeping on fj as a consultant (which could be 1 day a week or glorified scouting - who knows), and richo has been moved into a contracts role. Plus its rumoured we are expanding our number of recruiters. This is a big one for me, because I think its not only highlighted that we need more grunts on the ground, bit the workload was too small for just Blair and fj roles alone.

3) balme being hired means we have acknowledged the job was far too big for an experienced richo to learn on the run.

These are all structural learnings, and independent of any calls on who is the right man for the right job.

Interesting to hear that Dimma got some bad press in the review. At his best he is a great coach. But too often he looks lost. And if he likes a boys club then that can work against him very badly. It could have led to the boys club in the player group as well. Let's see if the new structure works to get the best out of him.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Sorry man, it dont take 7 years to learn these structural learnings..Lets put it this way, did they canvass any other indicviduals for the job? Like how did they come to the conclusion it had to be Balme? like was there any structured program put in place to source out the best candidate? or did we once again jump on the next bus leaving town because it suits the landscape in terms of bringing an ex player back...like i have a million questions to put to these muppets so we can understand that they are not once again pulling every tiger heads dicks.

Firstly we live in a dynamic environment. The requirements for a club in 2009 would be very different to 2016

This is a big issue with management systems and processes. They have to be living beasts that are constantly assessed, tested, reviewed, and improved. Too often we assume what worked yesterday will work today, as we did in the 1980's

On the last, this is the kind of shit a review would actually loom at and flag.

What criteria did we have for the role, who set the criteria, did we manage internally or outsource, who interviewed, how did we interview, who were the decision makers, why was the decision made, what role was offered, what kpis will be attached to it?

All of these questions are critical to getting the right hire.

I bang on about processes, and this is a good example.

 

[Tiges1229]

You're disagreeing with him though

You're saying the club paid $1m (source???) He said $100-150k

My wife used E and Y for an audit of a listed company and cost around 300 k obviously in relation to numbers etc , so I'm assuming this one at the club would be a lot less.

 

[Groupie_]

lol

 

[Infamy]

This appointment would make Tony Free's position on the RFC Board even more irrelevant than it appears to have been to date.

I never understood his appointment to the board in the first place, he's not done anything outstanding in business, nor did he have extensive football department experience, so what knowledge would he have brought to head up the Football Committee?