Official 2010 list management thread

[Cosmo Kramer]

Sorry, I'm on your side. The '' and "duh" was meant to emphasize the sarcasm.

I did sense some sarcasm but i wasn't sure, when it comes to players of the stature of Bentick I should have known.

 

[pacman]

Get Tarrant and Charman and throw which ever picks we need to at them.
Think we could get Taz for a second rounder and Charman for a 3rd rounder.

 

[killerspud]

The names on the Hawthorn list are not the problem. The big issue this year has been injuries. Not being able to have a constant back 6 robbed us of a top four position.

Players like Birchall, Guerra, Ladson and Gilham would come in for 2 games then go out injured again.

So the question for me is not who we draft or trade BUT getting our conditioning and medical staff right. Getting recovery sessions right - hard pre season but knowing how to train during the year. Get these things right and we don't need anyone else (though interested in the number 9 pick)

IF however you like the trading game let me throw up a name

Campbell Brown

Not big enough to play on a tall not quick enough to play on the really damaging small - not the greatest kick in the team - sure he is courageous and hard but he's outburst after the Essendon match didn't show much maturity and gave the Hawk haters in the media a chance to rubbish us.

I wouldn't give him away but Brown and our second round pick might be enough to land one of those players (a Lake, Sandilands, Tarrant etc or better still a young gun like Frawley). We have plenty of gun mid size half backs and half fowards to cover the loss and everyone here keeps saying you have to give something to get something

love to know your thoughts

 

[The Kipster]

IF however you like the trading game let me throw up a name

Campbell Brown

Now I've read it all, get rid of a guy that bleeds brown and gold...

 

[mess]

Brown stays, non negotiable.
I reckon all we should do this season is delist who we have to delist, and pick up Barry Hall to play fullback for a year or 2, after which time Schoenmakers will be more than ready enough to step into the breach.

What we can't do is lose both Thorp and Boyle. It was unlucky having them both injured for most of the year, if even one of them were up and firing we would have made the finals for sure.

 

[Cynic]

The names on the Hawthorn list are not the problem. The big issue this year has been injuries. Not being able to have a constant back 6 robbed us of a top four position.

Players like Birchall, Guerra, Ladson and Gilham would come in for 2 games then go out injured again.

So the question for me is not who we draft or trade BUT getting our conditioning and medical staff right. Getting recovery sessions right - hard pre season but knowing how to train during the year. Get these things right and we don't need anyone else (though interested in the number 9 pick)

IF however you like the trading game let me throw up a name

Campbell Brown

Not big enough to play on a tall not quick enough to play on the really damaging small - not the greatest kick in the team - sure he is courageous and hard but he's outburst after the Essendon match didn't show much maturity and gave the Hawk haters in the media a chance to rubbish us.

I wouldn't give him away but Brown and our second round pick might be enough to land one of those players (a Lake, Sandilands, Tarrant etc or better still a young gun like Frawley). We have plenty of gun mid size half backs and half fowards to cover the loss and everyone here keeps saying you have to give something to get something

love to know your thoughts

You make a reasonable point. The issue is that Brown does bleed brown & gold would likely be happy as a depth player if that's how the cards fell.

 

[Boot Studder]

IF however you like the trading game let me throw up a name

Campbell Brown

Not big enough to play on a tall not quick enough to play on the really damaging small - not the greatest kick in the team - sure he is courageous and hard but he's outburst after the Essendon match didn't show much maturity and gave the Hawk haters in the media a chance to rubbish us.

I hope you were making a funny. Campbell Brown gives the team so much heart. Surely injuries have affected his form this year. A fit and firing Brown lends muscle and grunt in the backline and has the ability to play taller than his actual stature. He was marvelous for us in 2008.

 

[Dewnior]

*sigh* silly season *sigh*

 

[Ledger]

What we can't do is lose both Thorp and Boyle. It was unlucky having them both injured for most of the year, if even one of them were up and firing we would have made the finals for sure.

It will have to be Thorp though, heard that Boyle will retired very shortly.

 

[mess]

You make a reasonable point. The issue is that Brown does bleed brown & gold would likely be happy as a depth player if that's how the cards fell.

Not really, considering he only ever plays on talls when we don't have another tall as an option...

As a depth player he has been subjugating his own game for the needs of the team. You're acting like you haven't seen how dangerous he can be in his own right when left to his own devices up forward.

 

[mess]

It will have to be Thorp though, heard that Boyle will retired very shortly.

Is that supposed to be "retire" or "be retired"?

Either way, I think a last minute change of heart could be useful...

 

[Ledger]

Sorry, "heard that Boyle will RETIRE very shortly".

Wouldn't be surprised if he makes the announcement this week.

 

[Rowie6]

Possible Trade Options:
Travis Tuck(Don't want to, but he may have currency outside the club)
Tim Boyle(Other teams have seen what he can do, we won't get much for him but sadly he has no place at our club anymore. Someone might be willing to give him another chance)
Mitch Thorp(Again, I don't want to let him go but If we could get a player of more value to us with him then It should be considered.)
Jarryd Morton(Has shown a few times that he has what it takes to play AFL. Pretty good size for a forward.)
Cameron Stokes(With all of the new depth that the Hawks have developed it is hard to see him getting a game next year unless are injuries are worse than they were this year. Another one who has proven to be successful at AFL level.)

Draft:
Too hard to say at this stage. Would love it If Gary Rohan slipped to our first pick but it is starting to seem less and less likely, he is exactly what we need. If we can't get Rohan with our first pick then I really hope Travis Colyer is available with our second-this kid could be very handy at our club.
How tall is Marcus Drum? I know that we are only talking a couple of cm here but i would much prefer that he was at least 192cm. If so then we should definitely try to get him.
Hawks have shown interest in drafting Michael Coad as a key defender which couldn't hurt as well.

Delist:
Cameron Stokes (if we can't get anything for him)
Tim Boyle (same as Stokes. Really hope he gets a shot at another club)

Elevate:
Riley Milne (has shown a bit in his two games )
Gary Moss (rising star nominee this year. pretty self explanatory)
Carl Peterson (MAYBE. It could happen. He hasn't shown much yet but aparantly he is a rare talent and holding onto him could pay off for us)

Hope we don't make too many changes in the off season. Lets not forget that with a fit Hawthorn team there aren't quite so many obvious problems as there have been for most of this year.

With you on Gary Rohan he is what we need with our first pick and if Colyers falls as late as our second pick,i know nothing about Coad but everyone is all over him another i have seen play a few times for Williamstown is Joyce has some real pace kicks goals but maybe a tad small but he has the lateral movement which was Steve Kenna's problem.
I feel we will free up 3 spots with Dew retired,Bailey hopefully on the rookie list,Boyles papers seem to be stamped(would be a good trade to the Doggys which we may be able to on trade to Freo for Drum) and one more if Mossy is to be promoted.I would be happy to go after Drum for a late draft pick as i think he wants to come home to Victoria.
As for the Rookies,i would keep Breust,Suckling,Milne???,Peterson and Stokes.Get rid of Walsh(not mobile enough)Kiel and Sierakowski.

 

[Rowie6]

I would like to see Tuck thrown on the trade table... Personally i think his kicking is shocking, always roosting it up to space instead of finding a target. I know he's only 22, but fact is that other fringe midfielders like Kennedy and Muston, who have very similar bodies are better prospects.
Everyone seems to be blinded by the nostagia from his father or the fact that it was probably a mistake to de-list his brother. I wouldn't de-list him, but i'm sure if coupled with 2nd round pick and or Boyle, we might be able to get a reasonable key position player.

Keep Tucky he was playing injured for most of the year.

 

[Rowie6]

I'm starting to warm to the idea of Gibson, middle aged, could work well with Shoey and Lisle coming through. Also I think he is exactly what the coaching staff want, they went after Thornton (he wasn't a guerilla defender) and either is Gibson. I'd also like to try to get Carlisle from Port if he was available.

Who is Gibson never heard of him!!!!

 

[killerspud]

I seem to be copping a bit of flack for suggesting we trade Campbell Brown.

Firstly - if you read my post I suggest the list is fine and we shouldn't really trade anyone and went on to say "for those who like the trading game"

I also said that he should be traded for a big name player like Sandilands

Secondly - the idea that Campbell bleeds Brown and Gold - maybe people think this because his name is Brown - but really if he was so tough then he would have taken out Lloyd the same way Lloyd took out Sewell - or even better, taken out someone like Hurley who was destroying us. Bateman at least copped a week flying the flag on the ground not on MMM.

And if you want someone who really BLEEDS brown and gold I'd take Hodge, Mitchell and especially Sewell any day over Brown.


while we are talking trades and list management Danyle Pearce and Shaun Burgoyne would both be handy inclusions for the Hawks given the need for a dynamic outside type

thoughts (and feel free to bag me - that's what forums are all about)

 

[CarnTheHawks!]

sorry killerspud but you have to agree that Campbell Brown would be
one of the last players to be traded and even suggesting it is a little bit funny.
No offense intended of course.
You're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Coathanger]

Mmmm...Newbie = Troll me thinks!

 

[The Kipster]

I seem to be copping a bit of flack for suggesting we trade Campbell Brown.

thoughts (and feel free to bag me - that's what forums are all about)

you haven't copped any flak.....copping flak is something along the lines of "your a useless pile of dog shit that knows ****-all about footy, so **** off"

now that's flak

 

[Consumed]

I wouldn't give him away but Brown and our second round pick might be enough to land one of those players (a Lake, Sandilands, Tarrant etc or better still a young gun like Frawley). We have plenty of gun mid size half backs and half fowards to cover the loss and everyone here keeps saying you have to give something to get something

love to know your thoughts

I won't give you flak for suggesting to trade Brown. But I will give you some grief for thinking that Brown + 2nd round (pick 25) would be enough to get Sandilands or Lake.

You just wrote 3 paragraphs why Brown isn't the best, then you think him & #25 would be enough to get an elite player. That's just dumb.

Real Dumb.

 

[WWSD]

this should b hawthorns round1 team

B M.Drum S.Gilham B.Guerra
HB G.Birchall R.Schoenmakers X.Ellis
C B.Muston S.Mitchell J.Lewis
HF C.Brown B.Dowler C.Rioli
F M.Williams J.Roughead M.Osborne
R S.Taylor L.Hodge B.Sewell

INT B.McGlynn R.Campbell R.Ladson C.Young

EMG G.Moss T.Murphy J.Kennedy

* C.Bateman & L.Franklin will come in round 2 in the expense of B.Dowler & B.Muston
* M.Drum hopefully we get him in the PSD (Y)

 

[killerspud]

OK this is the last post I will make on Mr Campbell Brown -

I do rate him as a good player but not a great player. Everyone says you have to give something to get something so Brown is a name player, has played in a premiership team and would add something to some teams out there - I just don't hink he adds that much to the Hawks - and I do think that Brown and our second round will land us someone good. I'd rather lose Brown than Jordan Lewis or Brad Sewell (who is along with Rioli my favourite player). I wouldn't trade Dowler or Thorpe and I see them as long term keys for the club. I was really annoyed we gave away Zac Dawson

My final point is that StKilda are on the verge of winning a premiership - they look like they will do it without Max Hughdon - if ever there was an ultimate clubman, a man who bled for his team then it would be Max, BUT sometimes to win a premiership you have to make the tough calls.


We are a ruckman and a key defender away from dominating the AFL for the next five years - it would be nice to see it happen

 

[WWSD]

agree.. hawthorn also need a speedy midfielder.. id go after D.Pearce or S.Burgoyne.. then if we have enough room.. A.Sandilands #1 ruckmen we go after or Mark Seaby perhaps? ur thoughts

Retirements: Boyle Dew
De-list: Thorp Suckling Stokes
Keep: Bailey Dowler Tuck Murphy (Y)
Trade: Taylor Thorp Morton
Re- rookie Haydn Kiel & Carl Peterson
Go after: A.Sandilands, J.Gibson, M.McGuire, B.Lake, S.Burgoyne, D.Pearce, M.Drum
GO HAWKS!!!

 

[WWSD]

agree.. hawthorn also need a speedy midfielder.. id go after D.Pearce or S.Burgoyne.. then if we have enough room.. A.Sandilands #1 ruckmen we go after or Mark Seaby perhaps? ur thoughts

Retirements: Boyle Dew
De-list: Thorp Suckling Stokes
Keep: Bailey Dowler Tuck Murphy (Y)
Trade: Taylor Thorp Morton
Re- rookie Haydn Kiel & Carl Peterson
Go after: A.Sandilands, J.Gibson, M.McGuire, B.Lake, S.Burgoyne, D.Pearce, M.Drum
GO HAWKS!!!

hawthorns best 22 atm is

B T.Murphy S.Gilham B.Guerra
HB G.Birchall T.Croad X.Ellis
C C.Bateman S.Mitchell J.Lewis
HF C.Brown L.Franklin C.Rioli
F M.Williams J.Roughead M.Osborne
RU R.Campbell L.Hodge B.Sewell
INT C.Young B.Renouf R.Ladson
B.McGlynn

EMG R.Schoenmakers B.Muston J.Kennedy

is that the best 22? is the som1 that shouldnt b in there?
is the som1 that should b in there? ur thoughts hawks supporters

 

[Brown]

Secondly - the idea that Campbell bleeds Brown and Gold - maybe people think this because his name is Brown - but really if he was so tough then he would have taken out Lloyd the same way Lloyd took out Sewell

The fact that he didn't go out and do that shows his continued growing leadership and maturity as a player. Hodge, Lewis and Brown are part of the backbone and consciousness of our playing group that one a flag. Remove Lewis or Brown from the structure and this also changes.

If Brown takes out someone he and the coaching staff are aware that there is 6 weeks waiting for him on Monday night. Why do you think they were straight on the phone to him? The correct decision was made as a few useless words said on the radio cops a fine at best and provides some food for thought to take into the pre-season.