List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

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Before he hurt his knee and missed 7 weeks his numbers in 2016 were A grade. Yeah, he can be that good, and at 24 he will only get more consistent.
Blimey, didn't realise. Do you think his game suffered because of his knee or because the whole team weren't clicking not just him (despite the fact Geelong had a very good year)
 

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I get there may be issues with the cap but if they trade Caddy for peanuts and then sign Lonergan up again as looks likely then I wont be happy. Some long term views must be taken. Plus the person who gave Horlin Smith a 3 year deal should be looked at
Mate if they had cap issues Tuohy wouldn't be coming in.

Caddy will only go it gets us back in the first round (either directly or in a three way trade) otherwise it won't happen. Fear not.
 

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Do we need Tuohy that bad?

We've already got younger guys that can play the HB position, it's just that they haven't been given the opportunities because we've played the older, slow backline players.

I wouldn't be paying overs for Tuohy at all and I definetly wouldn't be touching any of our 2017 draft.
Jackson thurlow is ready made and already 100% better than thuoy and younger
 

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I care about the well being of all Geelong supporters and I hold grave concerns for a select few after Caddy is given away in a raffle just as Smedts was and just as our last 2 first round picks were. The Henderson pick has been justified but Tuohy is a grub.

If I knew how to upload FB voice messages you'd get a good laugh out of my Carlton friends satisfaction with this most recent trade. They couldn't wait to see the back of 2E. Gets pushed under the ball and is poor one on one.

I also hold grave concerns over the direction this club is taking but that's just me.
Weren't you saying this last year after our trades for Henderson et al? Looks like it has turned out much better than expected.
 
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Blimey, didn't realise. Do you think his game suffered because of his knee or because the whole team weren't clicking not just him (despite the fact Geelong had a very good year)
Probably a little of both, Scott seemed to play him more up forward once he got back. Unlike at the start of the season where he played the bulk of his time in the middle. Maybe he wasnt quite right after coming back from the knee, but the whole team began to slip around that time as well.
 
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To see some people blindly dismissing the article in The Age on the basis of absolutely nothing annoys me greatly, and speaks to a broader problem I have with the way journalists are perceived on BigFooty.

BigFooty is a microcosm of everything wrong with the general public's over-generalised, uncompromising attitude of contempt towards the media. While it makes sense to be healthily critical towards the media, the level of distrust the public at large harbours towards the industry is so completely disproportionate that it borders on absurdity. In the context of the AFL, all AFL-related news stories, particularly trade stories, seem to be read through the prism of this deluded, spurious narrative that all sports journalists are muckraking scum, and people seem willing to resort to obscene depths of confirmation bias to support this idiotic agenda; any time a journalist breaks a story, the media as an industry never gets any credit for it or any enhancement to its reputation, no matter how often this phenomenon occurs, yet any minor detail that turns out to be mistaken, is held against the media as if it were evidence of systemic incompetence. To me, the self-righteous, elitist, condescending way the majority looks down on the media reflects more about the ignorance of those attempting to critique or deconstruct it than it does about the media itself.

Now, I'm no apologist for the media - obviously, there are major flaws within the industry - but personally speaking I put far more stock in the credibility of stories broken by those whose professions it is to break stories than the blithe, over-confident dismissals of those aforesaid stories by anonymous members of the general public, most of whom are in thrall of an irrational, anti-establishment conviction that all journalists do is make things up, despite the mountain of evidence - namely, the fact that literally every single trade that has gone through thus far was reported on by journalists before it went through - to the contrary. Call me crazy. The media may be imperfect, but most of the information they report is still broadly accurate. To acknowledge that fact is to be in touch with reality, which is certainly preferably than continuing to perpetuate hoary old myths about the incorrigible untrustworthiness of sports journos.
Most of the media today are grubs with little to no journalistic ability whatsoever. They prefer to deal in rumour and speculation than real fact, and most of what they say is nothing more than glorified clickbait. Only a small band of writers/reporters hold any weight with me, and even they get roped in to the muckraking/sensationalist BS of their cohorts sometimes.
 

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Jackson thurlow is ready made and already 100% better than thuoy and younger
Thurso was is also returning from an ACL injury and could take time to hit his stride.

2e will take pressure off him when he does return, allowing him to ease back into the team and build upon the form he started to show in 2015
 

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What will irritate me greatly if this does eventuate, is if Geelong tries to claim that Caddy wanted to go and they just did the best they could in that situation. Geelong created this whole situation with the absurd persuit of Deledio.

They have clearly made a few errors this trade period, the first being overestimating Motlop's worth.

But it is not too late to get out of it unscathed.

Hope Scott is on the phone to recruiting team tonight.
Exactly!
 

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On that same link, the very same page and posted one hour apart:

Tigers could still get Caddy

Richmond could yet secure Josh Caddy from Geelong in a three-way trade with the Giants that would see Brett Deledio move to GWS and the Cats get a first round pick.

Under the arrangement Richmond would receive a late first round pick from the Giants for Deledio.

Richmond would give a second round pick back to the Giants along with Deledio so GWS would effectively slide in the draft with a pick they only needed for points value to secure an academy player.

The Tigers would seek to on-trade that first round pick to the Cats for Caddy.

Geelong had resisted a trade of Caddy for Deledio but this arrangement would ensure that the Cats received a first round pick.
COME ON PEOPLE! GFC are quality operators, there's is no way we'd trade out a contracted Caddy for pick 24 or 27. Gee whiz.
 
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My take on things:

- Tuohy and Carlton's R2 2017 for Smedts and Geelong's R1 2016 = Slightly below par at worst and slightly above par at best.
- Vardy for pick 54 = par. Pick 34 is fantasy land stuff.
- Kersten for pick 40 = par. Pick 63 is below par.
- Caddy for pick 15 = par. Pick 24/27 is completely unacceptable. Pick 15 AND pick 24/27 is fantasy land stuff. I suspect (hope), there will be a player from GWS involved.

Obviously the last 3 deals are speculative at this stage but that's my assessment of things as they currently sit. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

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To see some people blindly dismissing the article in The Age on the basis of absolutely nothing annoys me greatly, and speaks to a broader problem I have with the way journalists are perceived on BigFooty.

BigFooty is a microcosm of everything wrong with the general public's over-generalised, uncompromising attitude of contempt towards the media. While it makes sense to be healthily critical towards the media, the level of distrust the public at large harbours towards the industry is so completely disproportionate that it borders on absurdity. In the context of the AFL, all AFL-related news stories, particularly trade stories, seem to be read through the prism of this deluded, spurious narrative that all sports journalists are muckraking scum, and people seem willing to resort to obscene depths of confirmation bias to support this idiotic agenda; any time a journalist breaks a story, the media as an industry never gets any credit for it or any enhancement to its reputation, no matter how often this phenomenon occurs, yet any minor detail that turns out to be mistaken, is held against the media as if it were evidence of systemic incompetence. To me, the self-righteous, elitist, condescending way the majority looks down on the media reflects more about the ignorance of those attempting to critique or deconstruct it than it does about the media itself.

Now, I'm no apologist for the media - obviously, there are major flaws within the industry - but personally speaking I put far more stock in the credibility of stories broken by those whose professions it is to break stories than the blithe, over-confident dismissals of those aforesaid stories by anonymous members of the general public, most of whom are in thrall of an irrational, anti-establishment conviction that all journalists do is make things up, despite the mountain of evidence - namely, the fact that literally every single trade that has gone through thus far was reported on by journalists before it went through - to the contrary. Call me crazy. The media may be imperfect, but most of the information they report is still broadly accurate. To acknowledge that fact is to be in touch with reality, which is certainly preferably than continuing to perpetuate hoary old myths about the incorrigible untrustworthiness of sports journos.
There is some good stuff in your post there but the reality is journalism has gone from researching stories, interviewing sources and putting it into print to (and especially with football journalism) making up speculation like a predictor magician and passing it off as journalism. So given 90 % of the time journos do this and get paid for it and not called out on it, to then complain when no one believes them the 10 % of the time they write something true, is 'the boy who cried wolf' stuff.

Although we as people and our appetite to believe and regurgitate rubbish rumours has a lot to do with-I tend to believe you get the journalism you deserve and as society we don't deserve better because we don't demand better.
 

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Pretty sure it will be. Yesterday people on here thought we were going to 2E for pick 38.
Tradeguru in Twitter stuck to his guns on this one and looks right.
Have you actually digested the 2E trade?
Don't include smedts in it as he is worth peanuts..
Blues will be bottom 4, prob bottom 2 when they lose Gibbs, we will be top 6. Therefore 2E trade works out to around pick 40!
 
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