List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

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How much do you guys think those players are getting?

Is Motlop on like $600k? A reliable source on our board said there was SERIOUS discussions about you trading Duncan for Tuohy (maybe some pick swaps to). Actually our 2 most reliable sources both mentioned it.

We all thought it was crazy since Duncan is a good and seemingly important player, but the source is reliable and said Geelong's motivation was in party due to Duncan's massive contract...apparently around $650k which is mind boggling...he's good but not THAT good.

And Carlton rejected the proposal due to said contract.
i find this hard to believe but thanks for the input
 

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too many quotes to go through one by one. mark stevens/matthew lloyd/age/trade radio saying caddy tigers bound for one of our picks in the 20's he wants to play with his mate prestia
They can play together once our finals campaign is over. Prestia can keep his seat warm for him whilst he waits.
 

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Hamling wasn't a 1st rounder. The draft in '11 went 26 picks deep into the "first round" but we traded our 26 for 32 (Hamling) and 34 (Kersten). What is more pertinent is this perhaps:

2003. Tenace. BUST
2004 Traded in part for Ottens. BIG TICK
2005 Varcoe PASS MARK
2006 Selwood BIG TICK
2007 TAYLOR. BIG TICK
2008 Brown. BUST
2009 Menzel. BIG TICK (unlucky)
2010 Smedts. BUST (for us),
2011. Traded down 26 for Hamling and Kersten. BUST (for us)
2012. Thurlow. Promising but too early for forecast.
........ *Caddy for 1st round compo pick. PASS MARK
2013 Lang. Too early for forecast
2014. Cockatoo. Too early for forecast
2015. Traded in part for Dangerfield. BIG TICK.
2016. Traded for Henderson. BIG TICK.

This, to me, illustrates the overvaluing of draft picks, even first rounders. On the four occasions we've traded out genuine firsts (disregard '11 as 26 is end of 2nd round in reality), I've assessed we've come out with 3 Big Ticks and 1 pass mark. This represents a success ratio far above the 3 Busts, 1 pass mark, and 3 Big Ticks from 7 draft attempts. I actually quite like the Tuohy trade for this reason. We receive a known quantity, and still get back an attractive enough pick to try our luck in the draft. It's the best case scenario IMO. Drafting is an inexact science with lots of variables, and Wells often reaches with his first pick. Honestly, barring when we have a really premium pick (inside 10 say) I wish we could trade down our first for a known quantity every year, and look to hit the draft in the 20-50 range.
I don't think that first round picks are overrated but that people over estimate the strike rate of drafting in general.
 

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True. Wonder what Murdoch's on? Reckon it might be a fair bit more than people think.
Murdoch should be on no more than 200k.

Is this our problem? The young guys getting paid far more than they deserve and not rising to the levels their pay packet warrants?

It was never a problem when we were winning flags.
 

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Surely not he isn't contracted next year. Triggered a clause yes, that would mean any monies owed would come in a brown paper bag...a thick brown paper bag!
Depends on how the trigger clause is written. Even if contracted players retire before their contract is up their money still counts in the cap even if they don't get paid it as otherwise it would make it to easy for teams to cheat free agency and the draft by offering ridiculously long contract terms knowing the player won't see it out just stop another team from matching.
 

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i find this hard to believe but thanks for the input
Me to but so many unexpected things have happened this trade period...nothing is off limits anymore.

Just thought i'd share to fill you guys in on something interesting :)

Our boards 2 most reliable 'in the know' posters both said the same thing so i believe it.
 

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Murdoch should be on no more than 200k.

Is this our problem? The young guys getting paid far more than they deserve and not rising to the levels their pay packet warrants?

It was never a problem when we were winning flags.
That's sounds like a culture shift to me.........around about the same time Scott other on the club
 

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Seems like there's a lot of negativity towards Wells for stuff that hasn't yet happened. Lets wait and see what happens before we throw the toys out of the pram.
It's conditional negativity. As in, if someone senior from geelong is looking at this they may realise they need to go knock down wells door and sort this out otherwise their may be a riot on their hands if things go the way being suggested....... Ofcourse the media could just be wrong. We just don't know yet.
 

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True. Wonder what Murdoch's on? Reckon it might be a fair bit more than people think.
motlop is a 550, duncan is a backloaded contract and that was the issue
his name was brought up,
word is hodge is playing for peanuts as he played the markets and won
our issue is the timing of payments and the expectation the cap was on the up

enright assistant coach is just crapola - pay for service

our issue is paying the guys well as their form dropped off for their previous service where they were paid unders

there is no other reason for us to have cap issues,
otherwise the dogs must be busting at the seems, let alone the pies
 

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Mate cmon this is the same Wells that creamed the trade period last year. Give him some credit we will see.
I don't think he creamed it.

He was the first person to actually trade for a RFA. No one has given more than Wells for a RFA.

Henderson - most would say we overpaid at the time.

Scooter was free

Smith - Wasn't in their 22 and was right time and place for us to sneak in with 2 3rd round picks.

We got good players but we didn't necessarily do anything out of the ordinary - the players wanted to come and we paid fair value or a bit more (or just what was within the rules for scooter).
 

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Either way if a trade happens someones supporters will be pissed.
At pick 24 or 27 thats a steel for Caddy
At pick 15 thats a win for you guys.

Come tomorrow I wonder who will be slinging shit at their own club.
you paid pick 6 for Prestia who was a No9 selection in the same year Caddy was a Pick 7 in the same draft.
Pick 15 if you get that or seeya later
 
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