Official Cameron White Thread

[Coin_Toss]

Hogg will only ever play at the expense of one of the quicks. Not at 7 instead of White. But Punter's clearly keen to play 4 quicks just about every game, so Hogg's looking more and more out of the picture.

White can cement his spot with the bat alone, we've already got 4 quicks every match plus Symonds, so he'll just never be needed for 10 overs - on a turning wicket he'll get thrown the ball occasionally but it's not gonna save his spot. Just needs to make some decent runs now.

I agree.

He will never bowl 10 overs. Ponting has said that, but he also said he'll get thrown the ball for a few overs.

He's a no.7 batsman, who can go the tonk. He will be very handy on the tracks in the Caribbean - espeically if we bat first - where the grounds are smaller.

It's a tad unfair to judge him on a few ODIs. He's still young enough to imrpove and then he's got years ahead of him. As I always say: "Don't judge a TV show by the first five minutes"

 

[footy_rulz]

White going to WC

http://cricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&id=38704

 

[lachlan24]

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Always thought he'd make it to the WC. Good onya whitey

 

[kane249]

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Always thought he'd make it to the WC. Good onya whitey

He looks stoned in that photo, no wonder why he can't bowl

 

[lachlan24]

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He looks stoned in that photo, no wonder why he can't bowl

Yeah its my favourite photo of him

 

[mbuck]

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He looks stoned in that photo, no wonder why he can't bowl

or see the fielders

 

[just maybe]

Re: White going to WC

One must suggest that Cam White should not be selected for the World Cup.

He has provided a couple of short slogging innings to finish off Australian totals, but has shown massive struggles during chases under pressure - has failed every time with very poor shots.

With the 50/50 (or 80/20 with Ponting's luck) likelihood of us chasing, and his inability to provide effective bowling, giving him a spot in the World Cup squad may be a grave mistake.

As I have said previously, he must show consistency in domestic cricket before further selection. His struggles under pressure at international level show he is not ready yet.

 

[weevil]

Re: White going to WC

One must suggest that Cam White should not be selected for the World Cup.

He has provided a couple of short slogging innings to finish off Australian totals, but has shown massive struggles during chases under pressure - has failed every time with very poor shots.

With the 50/50 (or 80/20 with Ponting's luck) likelihood of us chasing, and his inability to provide effective bowling, giving him a spot in the World Cup squad may be a grave mistake.

As I have said previously, he must show consistency in domestic cricket before further selection. His struggles under pressure at international level show he is not ready yet.

Once again your post greatly overstates the situation. He certainly needs to score some runs in the next few innings. If he doesn’t then questions about his position will be asked.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

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Once again your post greatly overstates the situation. He certainly needs to score some runs in the next few innings. If he doesn’t then questions about his position will be asked.

Questions should be asked now. He has played all 7 matches and has had plenty of opportunities just one half decent total after a plumb LB went his way.

He will play the next couple of games but if he shows no improvement, he should not be just handed a boarding pass to the Carribean

 

[just maybe]

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Once again your post greatly overstates the situation. He certainly needs to score some runs in the next few innings. If he doesn’t then questions about his position will be asked.

Overstates the situation?

He has failed to terrible shots every time when chasing.

He has only made two scores above 19, both when slogging at the end and one thanks to the most fortuitous LBW let-off imaginable.

No, I'm not overstating the situation. We are facing two mediocre sides and he is struggling.

What makes you think he deserves to be picked for the real stuff?

 

[bus24]

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Haddin at 7

 

[weevil]

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Questions should be asked now. He has played all 7 matches and has had plenty of opportunities just one half decent total after a plumb LB went his way.

Whether or not a plum lbw went his way is totally irrelevant.

Otherwise you are going to have to rewrite all of cricket history based on your new criteria...I suppose that world cup innings SRW played in the world cup was rubbish...because...Herschel Gibbs dropped him.

Just like SRW, Warne, Mcgrath, Ponting, etc, etc, (the list goes on and on) he has some obvious potential and the selectors will give him every chance to perform and develop.

He will play the next couple of games but if he shows no improvement, he should not be just handed a boarding pass to the Carribean

Isn’t that pretty much what I said in the post above???

 

[just maybe]

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Whether or not a plum lbw went his way is totally irrelevant.

Otherwise you are going to have to rewrite all of cricket history based on your new criteria...I suppose that world cup innings SRW played in the world cup was rubbish...because...Herschel Gibbs dropped him.

Being dropped isn't the same as the rules not being followed. Gibbs dropping Waugh was not a breach of the rules.

It wasn't even a borderline dismissal. It was plumb as plumb as plumb. Straight through the middle of the sticks, mid height.

Just like SRW, Warne, Mcgrath, Ponting, etc, etc, (the list goes on and on) he has some obvious potential and the selectors will give him every chance to perform and develop.

No time to be playing a struggling youngster when the World Cup is about to start (and yes that means Tait, depending on tomorrow).

 

[weevil]

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Totally overstating the situation.

He has played a couple of extremely, impressive innings, and has been disappointing a few times.

LBW, slogs, coulda been out, shoulda been this, blah, blah, blah. Most astute judges around the country rate him very highly. Ill take their opinions and my own judgment over a couple of web forum guys with agendas bleeding from every orifice.

It’s just an excuse to try to devalue his innings because of your dislike of him. But mum, mum, he should have really been out, really he should have!!!!!

But you’re right we shouldn’t take big hitting youngsters with potential to the WC. We tried that last time with that Symonds guy. Man what a disaster that turned out to be.

 

[just maybe]

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Totally overstating the situation.

Utterly, stupidly wrong.

He has played a couple of extremely, impressive innings, and has been disappointing a few times.

Extremely impressive. He made 45 like a tail-end slogger and should have been out for single figures. This is indisputable. Other than that his best score is 20. Awesome.

LBW, slogs, coulda been out, shoulda been this, blah, blah, blah. Most astute judges around the country rate him very highly. Ill take their opinions and my own judgment over a couple of web forum guys with agendas bleeding from every orifice.

Most astute judges? Nah, a couple of Victorian journos.

It’s just an excuse to try to devalue his innings because of your dislike of him. But mum, mum, he should have really been out, really he should have!!!!!

No, he was clearly and plainly out, and still only made 45.

But you’re right we shouldn’t take big hitting youngsters with potential to the WC. We tried that last time with that Symonds guy. Man what a disaster that turned out to be.

Symonds was hardly an inexperienced youngster.

And if you are comparing White to Symonds, please put your agendas back in your orifices.

 

[weevil]

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And if you are comparing White to Symonds, please put your agendas back in your orifices.

No agendas here buddy. I think he is a kid with potential. Who is being given a chance.

If he turns into a great player then terrific if not then bad luck.

You are blinded by your own issues if you think I have an agenda about him.

 

[just maybe]

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No agendas here buddy. I think he is a kid with potential. Who is being given a chance.

If he turns into a great player then terrific if not then bad luck.

You are blinded by your own issues if you think I have an agenda about him.

Of course you have an agenda. He has played only one decent innings, in which he should have been out and isn't likely to have so much luck again, and you think he should go to the World Cup.

BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

Hint: The World Cup is not a place for struggling younglings

 

[bus24]

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What JM's saying is correct.

White has not been performing and at this point does not deserve his World Cup spot.

 

[weevil]

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I think he has potential but he needs to perform soon or his position is in serious doubt. That is hardly a controversial opinion.

I tried making a rational argument to you; you ignored it and just repeated the same stuff you have said in this thread a hundred times, like you’re in a feeding frenzy or something.

Sorry but I am not going to take you seriously if you are not going to even bother to listen to my argument.

 

[Russian]

I was calling for White's inclusion over Martyn 12 months ago for the slogging role, and he's done that, but the inability to do the other role is a concern and you have to ask if Voges, North or Haddin could be an all round better number 7 batsman than White.

In other areas:
White's the superior catcher but Voges and North aren't bad
The other 3 are all quicker than White both in the field and between wickets
White's bowling's only slightly better than Voges and North and he isn't being used much anyway

 

[just maybe]

Re: White going to WC

I think he has potential but he needs to perform soon or his position is in serious doubt. That is hardly a controversial opinion.

I tried making a rational argument to you; you ignored it and just repeated the same stuff you have said in this thread a hundred times, like you’re in a feeding frenzy or something.

Excuse me, how about explaining what is not rational about my argument?

Sorry but I am not going to take you seriously if you are not going to even bother to listen to my argument.

You're not listening to anything anyway.

You completely ignore the fact he has ONE score above 20.

He's had several chances this series, and failed every time he has been under pressure.

 

[weevil]

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Excuse me, how about explaining what is not rational about my argument?



You're not listening to anything anyway.

You completely ignore the fact he has ONE score above 20.

He's had several chances this series, and failed every time he has been under pressure.

WTF planet are you on? Please actually read what I have written.

 

[just maybe]

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OK weebs, we'll do it again:

Totally overstating the situation.

No, not at all.

He has played a couple of extremely, impressive innings, and has been disappointing a few times.

None of his innings have been 'extremely impressive'. He has slogged, but I don't call slogging 'extremely impressive'.

LBW, slogs, coulda been out, shoulda been this, blah, blah, blah. Most astute judges around the country rate him very highly. Ill take their opinions and my own judgment over a couple of web forum guys with agendas bleeding from every orifice.

And you were talking rational argument?

It’s just an excuse to try to devalue his innings because of your dislike of him. But mum, mum, he should have really been out, really he should have!!!!!

Yep, definitely more rational argument.

But you’re right we shouldn’t take big hitting youngsters with potential to the WC. We tried that last time with that Symonds guy. Man what a disaster that turned out to be.

Resorting to sarcasm now, definitely rational argument. And comparing Symonds, who was experienced in ODIs at the time, to White as well. More rationality.

Yep, it's definitely me who has been aggressive and irrational.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

I was calling for White's inclusion over Martyn 12 months ago for the slogging role, and he's done that, but the inability to do the other role is a concern and you have to ask if Voges, North or Haddin could be an all round better number 7 batsman than White.

In other areas:
White's the superior catcher but Voges and North aren't bad
The other 3 are all quicker than White both in the field and between wickets
White's bowling's only slightly better than Voges and North and he isn't being used much anyway

Pretty good assesment imo.

JM why are you so harsh on White and not so on Tait?

 

[just maybe]

Pretty good assesment imo.

JM why are you so harsh on White and not so on Tait?

Firstly, didn't I just say Tait shouldn't be on the plane to the Windies either?