Official Cameron White Thread

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

Firstly, didn't I just say Tait shouldn't be on the plane to the Windies either?

Where i didnt see that one?

Why havent you made a thread about Tait and given "constructive criticism" as you have White.

 

[bus24]

Where i didnt see that one?

Why havent you made a thread about Tait and given "constructive criticism" as you have White.

Because there's already numerous threads on Tait, that 'constructive criticism' has been given in?

Tait has played 1 game, White 12 and to be honest Tait has been more impressive. Doesn't say alot for White.

 

[just maybe]

Where i didnt see that one?

World Cup 15 thread.

Why havent you made a thread about Tait and given "constructive criticism" as you have White.

Fryingpan just answered, but aside from that, Tait has reached the point where he needs a run in the international side before dropping him.

Unlike White, Tait has several seasons of consistent, dominant first-class form. Unlike White, he hasn't been rubbish until this season. Unlike White, he has dominant records against all-comers./ He has passed the domestic test and now it's time to see whether he is going to succeed or fail at international level.

Unlike White, Tait deserves his spot. Unlike White, there aren't plenty more contenders with far better domestic records who should be tested in front of him.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

World Cup 15 thread.



Fryingpan just answered, but aside from that, Tait has reached the point where he needs a run in the international side before dropping him.

Unlike White, Tait has several seasons of consistent, dominant first-class form. Unlike White, he hasn't been rubbish until this season. Unlike White, he has dominant records against all-comers./ He has passed the domestic test and now it's time to see whether he is going to succeed or fail at international level.

Unlike White, Tait deserves his spot. Unlike White, there aren't plenty more contenders with far better domestic records who should be tested in front of him.

So in other words your just being biased? thought as much. White has had more than just one good season in the one day arena. Maybe not FC level but ODD he certainly has. He's even performed very well for Aus A.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

White was not scoring many runs until the year in either form!

 

[just maybe]

So in other words your just being biased? thought as much.

BEING BIASED??!?!!?!?!?!?!

Did you READ what I just wrote? All the DIFFERENCES?

OK, now you're just trolling. The case of Tait and White is so different it's not funny.

 

[bus24]

So in other words your just being biased? thought as much. White has had more than just one good season in the one day arena. Maybe not FC level but ODD he certainly has. He's even performed very well for Aus A.

Yes, averages 32.78 in Domestic One Day games and thats bolstered by weak county cricket runs.

 

[just maybe]

SWhite has had more than just one good season in the one day arena.

When.

Years, stats.

2001-02, 4 matches, average 0.5

2002-03, 8 matches, average 15.2

2003-04, 9 matches, average 12.83

2004-05, 9 matches, average 27.85

2005-06, 8 matches, average 42

Yes, you are full of it.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

I give up its obvious you are right and i am wrong

 

[just maybe]

I give up its obvious you are right and i am wrong.

Well the stats are on my side, because I actually check them before making declarations.

 

[DK#8]

When.

Years, stats.

2001-02, 4 matches, average 0.5

2002-03, 8 matches, average 15.2

2003-04, 9 matches, average 12.83

2004-05, 9 matches, average 27.85

2005-06, 8 matches, average 42

Yes, you are full of it.

2005-06 and 2006-07 makes two good seasons. By the way White hasn't been that poor so far

[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]5 1 88 45 22.00 100.00 - - 1 -

[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ[/FONT]
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]14 2 86 3 28.66 1-5 - - 28.0 6.14


By the way he has been better than Tait so far
[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ
[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]10 0 68 2 34.00 2-68 - - 30.0 6.80[/FONT]
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[mcphee_is_a_gun]

Well the stats are on my side, because I actually check them before making declarations.

Were his Aus A stats in there? I think not...

 

[just maybe]

Were his Aus A stats in there? I think not...

We're talking about domestic career mate.

Even then, his overall average is only 32.78. Pretty poor going by the contenders for his spot.

 

[just maybe]

2005-06 and 2006-07 makes two good seasons. By the way White hasn't been that poor so far

[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]5 1 88 45 22.00 100.00 - - 1 -

[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ[/FONT]
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]14 2 86 3 28.66 1-5 - - 28.0 6.14


By the way he has been better than Tait so far
[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ
[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]10 0 68 2 34.00 2-68 - - 30.0 6.80[/FONT]
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05-06? 42 is average by Australian ODD standards.

And as for comparing against Tait...

1. Why would you compare after one match by Tait? About as stupid a comparison as imaginable.

2. White has got a couple of lucky wickets from tailenders slogging.

 

[bus24]

2005-06 and 2006-07 makes two good seasons. By the way White hasn't been that poor so far

[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]5 1 88 45 22.00 100.00 - - 1 -[/FONT]

[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ[/FONT]
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]14 2 86 3 28.66 1-5 - - 28.0 6.14[/FONT]


[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]By the way he has been better than Tait so far[/FONT]
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ[/FONT]
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]10 0 68 2 34.00 2-68 - - 30.0 6.80[/FONT]

Oh how very selective of you. Use Stats from this series because they look better than his overall career. Well done

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

We're talking about domestic career mate.

Even then, his overall average is only 32.78. Pretty poor going by the contenders for his spot.

I thought his performances for Aus A would be much more important than domestic afterall they were against world class teams but appareently im mistaken.

 

[Drummond]

Re: White going to WC

One must suggest that Cam White should not be selected for the World Cup.

He has provided a couple of short slogging innings to finish off Australian totals, but has shown massive struggles during chases under pressure - has failed every time with very poor shots.

With the 50/50 (or 80/20 with Ponting's luck) likelihood of us chasing, and his inability to provide effective bowling, giving him a spot in the World Cup squad may be a grave mistake.

As I have said previously, he must show consistency in domestic cricket before further selection. His struggles under pressure at international level show he is not ready yet.

White had a massive opportunity last night and he failed again. He seems to be good when he has license to smash it at the death but not so great when he needs to build an innings. It is a huge concern and I wouldn’t want him coming in at 5/150 in a crucial World Cup match.

 

[DK#8]

05-06? 42 is average by Australian ODD standards.

And as for comparing against Tait...

1. Why would you compare after one match by Tait? About as stupid a comparison as imaginable.

2. White has got a couple of lucky wickets from tailenders slogging.

1. Well White has only bowled 14 overs and Tait 10. So it is fair to compare.

2. Tait got both his wickets because of slogging at the death.

 

[DK#8]

Oh how very selective of you. Use Stats from this series because they look better than his overall career. Well done

Well of course I did. White was recalled for this series so why would I use stats from matches before he was dropped.

By the way he only had one innings and bowled 8 overs before this series. He had it a little tougher than Tait too. His first match being against the World XI rather than England.

 

[bus24]

He had it a little tougher than Tait too. His first match being against the World XI rather than England.

The World XI series where he was the Supersub for the first 2 games.

Game 1 : Subbed in for DR Martyn (ICC World XI innings, 16.0 ov) - Didn't bowl

Game 2 : Subbed in for SM Katich (ICC World XI innings, 0.0 ov) Took 0/22 of 3 overs.

Game 3 : Wasn't a Supersub, Did not bat, Did not Bowl.

What a series he had !!!!!

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

So glad the stupid Super Sub is gone.

 

[weevil]

Re: White going to WC

OK weebs, we'll do it again:

No, not at all.

This is not an argument. This is just you saying ‘am not!’

Every single thing you have written has tried to paint White in the most negative light possible. Show me where you have at any point tried to have any genuine balance in your argument, or willingness to listen to and take on board other points of view and I might change ‘totally overstating’ to ‘significantly overstating’.

None of his innings have been 'extremely impressive'. He has slogged, but I don't call slogging 'extremely impressive'.

Yeah well, that’s your assessment V the assessment of most of the rest of the cricketing world. Cut the Victorian conspiracy BS and show me where credible cricket people have agreed with your assessment.

Otherwise you just sound like you are trying to make excuses.

And you were talking rational argument?

As stated, most credible cricket people think he is a very interesting prospect. Please show me examples of serious, credible cricket people who think his batting was crap. Or do you know better than the coaches, selectors, players, commentators and the media. He wasn’t impressive, he was actually crap.

Yep, definitely more rational argument.

Sorry but that is the level of argument it sounds like you are making. I am mocking you, if you slowed down a little, took a breath and showed that you were capable of discussing the issues in a reasonable way I wouldn’t.

Again, please show me examples where serious, credible cricket people have ever attempted to argue that an innings played by a batsman ‘doesn’t count’ because they reckoned they should have been out.

Bradman scored a brilliant double century, but should have been out LBW before he had scored. So everybody, don’t count that. He didn’t play brilliantly, he actually played badly.

Do you think we should put little asterisk next to every batsmen’s innings who receives the benefit of the doubt, with a little note down the bottom saying ‘JM says this guy should have been out so this innings doesn’t count.’

Sorry, making fun of you again, can’t help it. Your argument is so obviously flawed, it is honestly hard not to. If you put forward a serious, thought out argument I will not mock you.

Resorting to sarcasm now, definitely rational argument. And comparing Symonds, who was experienced in ODIs at the time, to White as well. More rationality.

It’s just ridiculous, you would argue the sky is bright purple if CW said it was blue. There are countless examples of rookie players being thrown into pressure situations and performing. ...Yes...Roy had played a few more games but that is a distinction without a difference. You could copy and paste virtually all your same arguments here to that situation.

Yep, it's definitely me who has been aggressive and irrational.

Yeah sorry mate, just the other day I heard Richie Benaud say, ‘okay everybody, you are not allowed to count that innings because I thought he should have been out’.

 

[Rob]

It's time to decide what he's playing for. If he's a batsman, i'd elevate him to 5 and put the pressure on to see what he can do. If he still fails miserably, he is simply not worth taking to the world cup. If he's playing as an all rounder, then get rid of him. It's clear his bowling simply isn't good enough for this level, and we're better off playing someone else who can be relied upon to send down at least 6 or 7 quality overs.

 

[bushranger]

White was our best bowler yesterday

white needs to bowl at least 8 overs


i thought til white got out he was the best batsmen

 

[eddiesmith]

It's time to decide what he's playing for. If he's a batsman, i'd elevate him to 5 and put the pressure on to see what he can do. If he still fails miserably, he is simply not worth taking to the world cup. If he's playing as an all rounder, then get rid of him. It's clear his bowling simply isn't good enough for this level, and we're better off playing someone else who can be relied upon to send down at least 6 or 7 quality overs.

When is the 6th/7th bowler ever going to need to bowl 6-7 overs? Symonds is 5th bowler and its up to White and Clarke to complete the 10 if needed, Australia dont need someone who can bowl in that position

It is funny how JM tries to dismiss his best innings due to it being only slogging (Yeah not sure what else you expect of a no7 in the last 10 overs when Australia was heading for a mediocre total ) and an umpiring error yet I am sure he didnt say the same when Hayden and Symonds had alot of luck during the MCG test