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Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Wow.

The average age of the Australian team will be just under 33 on the first day of the first Ashes test and just over that figure come the last day of the last Ashes test.

Unless Ashley Giles plays, the oldest England player in the likely first XI will be Marcus Trescothick 30, turning 31 on Christmas day.

S'a good thing the likes of Cossie and Jaques are ready and waiting to come in!
 
Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

dan warna said:
damn, I was hoping vaughan could make his usual contribution iwht the bat against us next ashes :p

england might get a batsman instead...

Umm, that would be like the 630 odd runs he scored last time he played in Australia. From memory he was the number 1 batsman in the world in the I.C.C. rankings after that Ashes series. ;)
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Grimwood said:
Wow.

The average age of the Australian team will be just under 33 on the first day of the first Ashes test and just over that figure come the last day of the last Ashes test.

Unless Ashley Giles plays, the oldest England player in the likely first XI will be Marcus Trescothick 30, turning 31 on Christmas day.

S'a good thing the likes of Cossie and Jaques are ready and waiting to come in!

Jacques is 28 already, hardly a whipper snapper.
 

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Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Lloyd Dobbler said:
Jacques is 28 already, hardly a whipper snapper.

Pah. He's a good 13 months younger than Strauss!
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Grimwood said:
Pah. He's a good 13 months younger than Strauss!

And remind me how many Test centuries Jacques has got again?
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Lloyd Dobbler said:
And remind me how many Test centuries Jacques has got again?

None.... yet. ;)
 
Re: Giles cautious re. offers to play club cricket in Australia

What exactly are they afraid of? They we are going to get him here and then break his spinning finger in the clubrooms?
 
Re: Giles cautious re. offers to play club cricket in Australia

MightyFighting said:
What exactly are they afraid of? They we are going to get him here and then break his spinning finger in the clubrooms?

its secret ploy to bolster the grade batting averages.
:thumbsu: :D
 
Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

Lloyd Dobbler said:
Umm, that would be like the 630 odd runs he scored last time he played in Australia. From memory he was the number 1 batsman in the world in the I.C.C. rankings after that Ashes series. ;)

and taht was what? 5 years ago?...yeah lets look at every cricketer and base their current for on 5 years ago shall we?
 
Re: Giles cautious re. offers to play club cricket in Australia

Cooldude said:
The only thing Giles is afraid of is that when he goes to the club, and he finds out that their spinners in the Thirds are better than him.

bit like the line dextor pulled out when reiffel tore a hole through the british batting line up.

something along the lines of he's just an ordinary seamer and the brits have dozens like him.

the universal reply was 'WHRE THE FRUCK ARE THEY THEN?' rofl

I think the only threat Giles represents is that the australians will pull their shoulder muscles slamming him for consecutive sixes.
 

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Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Langer is the best opener we have and part of the best opening partnership. You aint dropping him. However on the batting side I'd much rather have a side of:

1. Hayden
2. Langer
3. Punter
4. Martyn
5. Hussey
6. Gilchrist
7. Warne
8. Lee
9. Dizzy
10. Macgill
11. McGrath
12th Andrew Symonds (best fielder we have- put him at 12th man permanantly)

Much better lineup with 5 bowlers. It is not as if Michael Clarke will offer us many runs anyway and we need to bowl them out twice in 3 tests to win back the Ashes. Go for the trump card and play 5 bowlers and 6 batmen. The top 6 batmen all average 45+!
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

I agree you wouldn't drop the openers but surely Jacques' first class record is good enough to displace one of the middle order (maybe Martyn). Personally I do rate the guy, probably cos he's a Pom (well his parents are Poms and he has a Pommy passport - he was even unsure as to which team he wanted to break into) and the Aussies really do need some younger players otherwise it's going to be a similar situation to when Lillee, Marsh and Greg Chappell all retired together - but who am I to tell the Aussies how to run the show? They have a pretty good recent record.
 
Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

dan warna said:
and taht was what? 5 years ago?...yeah lets look at every cricketer and base their current for on 5 years ago shall we?

Okay so the 166 he got against Australia in the 3rd Test just under a year ago was an illusion was it? :confused:
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Lloyd Dobbler said:
I agree you wouldn't drop the openers but surely Jacques' first class record is good enough to displace one of the middle order (maybe Martyn). Personally I do rate the guy, probably cos he's a Pom (well his parents are Poms and he has a Pommy passport - he was even unsure as to which team he wanted to break into) and the Aussies really do need some younger players otherwise it's going to be a similar situation to when Lillee, Marsh and Greg Chappell all retired together - but who am I to tell the Aussies how to run the show? They have a pretty good recent record.

The only way I could see Jaques getting into the team would be at number 6 in place of Clarke/Watson and I'm not sure that's really likely. He's not a pom either, he's made his choice and it's final.
 
Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

vaugan sucks lloyd, if he wasnt captain he wouldnt even be in the team. Instead of looking at a couple of innings, how about looking at his career averages, much better way to look at it
 
Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

matty elliot got a 199, he must be a gun :P

bring him back into the test side...

:rolleyes:
 

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Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

Lloyd Dobbler said:
Umm, that would be like the 630 odd runs he scored last time he played in Australia. From memory he was the number 1 batsman in the world in the I.C.C. rankings after that Ashes series. ;)

5 years ago Craig White and Richard Dawson were playing for England.

Times change, ya know
 
Re: Vaughan fears he may never play again

Cooldude said:
5 years ago Craig White and Richard Dawson were playing for England.

Times change, ya know

True dat, 2 years ago Australia had the Ashes, now look. :cool:
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

Grimwood said:
The only way I could see Jaques getting into the team would be at number 6 in place of Clarke/Watson and I'm not sure that's really likely. He's not a pom either, he's made his choice and it's final.

Like Kepler did?
 
Re: Liillee backs Freddie plan for club cricket in Perth and JL to remain as opener

I'm not sure about Gilly at #6. Maybe a couple of years ago. But the runs have dried up apart from that Bangladesh ton and he's struggling at the crease now. You can bet your bottom dollar that the poms will apply a similar strategy to the one which worked so well against him when they front up this summer.

And Freddie is on track for the Ashes according to this article.

Flintoff earmarks October return

Talisman Flintoff was unfit during the 2002-03 Ashes series
England's Ashes captain Andrew Flintoff says he should be fit to resume playing a month before the first Test against Australia in Brisbane from 23 November.
The England all-rounder, 28, underwent ankle surgery last week and has begun a rehabilitation programme supervised by fitness trainer Dave Roberts.

Flintoff told The Sun: "I'll hopefully be fit to play again 12 weeks after the operation, mid or late October.

"That should be plenty of time to be ready for the first Test."

Flintoff, currently on the sidelines while Andrew Strauss leads England against Pakistan, described the Brisbane Test as his "big target".

Chairman of selectors David Graveney had hinted that the England and Wales Cricket Board may look to help Flintoff gain match-fitness by playing grade cricket Down Under.

Clubs across the country are desperate to secure the services of Flintoff, but the Lancashire star said he had not yet fully considered that part of his recovery.

He added: "There's been a lot of talk that I might play some grade cricket in Australia or get a game somewhere else to help regain match fitness.

"But I'm not looking that far ahead. At the moment, I'm sitting on my couch wearing a big boot and holding a pair of crutches."

Flintoff missed the whole of the 2002-03 Ashes series because of injury, but was man of the series in the 2005 rubber.
 

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