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Retired? Do you have news that I don't? Pretty sure they are playing next year. Enright will retire at the end of next year but Kelly has another year after that. He was great this year and has plenty in him (assuming you don't solely focus on his injury plagued final series when he was played out of position).

Guthrie has never been a tagger? Where were you when all the posters were complaining about how Guthrie should been taken from his tagging role and used more offensively, or when Cornesy was throwing a hissy fit over Guthries close tagging role on Danger or when commentators were putting him in mock state teams as the designated tagger?
You really do need to read my posts more carefully mate. I said 'after they're retired', not that they will be retiring this off season.

And no Guthrie is not a tagger, he plays a run with role. There is a difference and if I thought you were actually capable of grasping the concept I might even explain it to you. But I doubt that you are so I won't bother.
 

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the only flaw is that surely Frawley would have realized we were fairly thin in replacements. Even though we had a ruckman in McIntosh, we had no Simpson and McIntosh had to be subbed out of the game in the final quarter against Hawthorn.
I know I sometimes use injuries as an excuse but we have to be realistic and put things into perspective because had Frawley looked back to round 5 when we did have two fit rucks, we saw what a difference they made.

The following week was just a formality given we had neither genuine rucks nor Johnson as we were thin on midfielders given Christensen's absence.

Very bewildering decision by Frawley because with Vardy, Cowan & Johnson to return, and now the inclusions of Stanley & Clark, we will see how he goes against those guys in R1, when the team is at full strength.
I don't know the thought process Boby, that's what I've been told.

Personally I think Hawks still have another really good chance at the flag next year, so maybe he went there looking to be apart of a 3 peat?

I really don't know though I'm merely speculating.
 

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Bobby , although Alkanphel info sort makes Frawley sound petty and very short sighted , it confirms how scarred he was from a Melb losing POV. He has one shot at FA and he want the best winning side he could go to . We can look past the loss to a degree , see the kids we have but the age paradigm of the list which means we need this kids develop. Frawley is probably heard that song too many times.

The irony is I feel they are us 2011 . They may get it right better than us or have a bit more luck but I do feel their recognised best players will only ease of from here. I feel they have a better feel for the FA and trade than we did post 2011 but Hodge , Bourgyne , Mitchell etc ..re not getting any younger.
Yup, if he came to us and we actually do slide next year or 2 it's gonna look pretty bad for Frawley. Hawks he may snatch 1 as I think they still have a very good shot again next year.

From an outsider prospective, we lost to a team outside the top 4. I know Boby mentioned injuries, but I'm not sure that's even taken into consideration or not.

Hawks just went back to back with a 10 goal hiding of their biggest rival. You can see which looks more attractive. (well at least on the surface.)
 

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Bobby , although Alkanphel info sort makes Frawley sound petty and very short sighted , it confirms how scarred he was from a Melb losing POV. He has one shot at FA and he want the best winning side he could go to . We can look past the loss to a degree , see the kids we have but the age paradigm of the list which means we need this kids develop. Frawley is probably heard that song too many times.

The irony is I feel they are us 2011 . They may get it right better than us or have a bit more luck but I do feel their recognised best players will only ease of from here. I feel they have a better feel for the FA and trade than we did post 2011 but Hodge , Bourgyne , Mitchell etc ..re not getting any younger.
They have 35 players each week deserving of a match. their youth and fringe recruiting makes us look like St Kilda
 

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Danger's coming regardless of ladder position. I've left myself open again but so be it. If he remains at Adelaide and doesn't sign with Geelong, I'll shout The rabbi and Willo_ a free night on the piss.

I have entered this post into my "Bump Files" for a later review.

I will hold you to that SoG.
 

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They will not miss the 8 at all whilst Gold Coast and GWS have their triumph. We however will. Say 2016or17 on wards.
Thats different to the StKilda comparison..... and I still an not sure thats correct either.
Are you saying that Haw will very be an eternal part of the 8? They will slide out in good time as we will , but as I have said I see them more like us in 2011 , and as we didn't miss the finals in 12,13 or 14 I doubt they will either.
 

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I don't. I think they were incredibly lucky to beat Port Adelaide this year and then progress to the big dance.
I call it luck because had that been us, I suspect this http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-r...&eventType=Behind&seek=7426&videoQuality=high would have found it's way through the goals and that would have been the game.

And please . . . how f***ing lucky were they the previous year to play two teams completely banged up by injury?
Sydney limped into that QF while we were missing 5 starters for the PF.

But kudos to them. Sometimes you need a great deal of luck to win a premiership and they certainly have had their fair share of that these past couple of years.
If I can sort thru the heat you have put out , I think we are talking a little different. Im talking their list and the age of the best... I think they beat us in 08 at the start of the cycle ..a bit like us in 05/06 or so.
Its not an exact measure , FA has changed any apple to apple type compare situation.
 

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Thats different to the StKilda comparison..... and I still an not sure thats correct either.
Are you saying that Haw will very be an eternal part of the 8? They will slide out in good time as we will , but as I have said I see them more like us in 2011 , and as we didn't miss the finals in 12,13 or 14 I doubt they will either.
Have you seen their youth? We all did this year when they lost all of their old players bar one for majority of the year (Lewis). That's 8 kids coming on for say 11 games each and they kept winning. When we lose our older guys naturally it is going to hurt us, but it will hurt us more than it will them. Do you believe in 2017 we can make a finals series when we have no Mackie Rivers Lonergan Enright? We saw what happened in Sydney this year when we lost Lonergan and Enright. We played our worst game in around 10 years
 

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Have you seen their youth? We all did this year when they lost all of their old players bar one for majority of the year (Lewis). That's 8 kids coming on for say 11 games each and they kept winning. When we lose our older guys naturally it is going to hurt us, but it will hurt us more than it will them. Do you believe in 2017 we can make a finals series when we have no Mackie Rivers Lonergan Enright? We saw what happened in Sydney this year when we lost Lonergan and Enright. We played our worst game in around 10 years
Have I seen their youth yes.
Can we make the finals in 2017 yes.
 

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GH , there is always a premium to get a player to move , or in fact to select your club when he does. Market forces. So if that Movement allowance is considered part of that Y1 or Y2 payment and he then is paid around the same as our other top performers ,id say most players understand it. What was the cost of Caddy, id bet he was getting a lot more than a similar player that was drafted by our club in his first year ...but after the initial contract his payment will be inline with performance. I wonder how much more SJ was offered to go to GWS , bet it would have been a nice little Golden Handshake if he was willing to move. I guess a lot could move for dollars if they wanted to.
Understand that Turbo. Don't mind a little 'overs'. But some are talking $1.5m when Sel is on around $900,000 if the speculation is right.

Keep in mind we are a club that keeps its players in bands. Just can't see us throwing that out the door for one player.
 

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[QUOTE="Pure_Ownage, post: 36419320, member: 72541"]We offered Ablett between 4.5 mil and 5 mil over 5 years and the club was quite clear at the time that this would have required us to move on extra players to accomodate it had he stayed, as our cap was very tight in 2010.

Therefore given our cap is likely to be a lot less tight this year and Adelaide can match an offer, it is fairly likely we would be offering Dangerfield a million a season[/QUOTE]
Don't inflict tripe on us. Making categoric statements you couldn't possibly know are accurate or pure fiction. Unless you are Balme, Cook, Pckering or Ablett.
 

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Understand that Turbo. Don't mind a little 'overs'. But some are talking $1.5m when Sel is on around $900,000 if the speculation is right.

Keep in mind we are a club that keeps its players in bands. Just can't see us throwing that out the door for one player.
Yes , but if the we said a player..the right player..is to be brought into the club and part of that is an upfront payment , its much different to what we diid with Caddy or Ottens.
 

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[QUOTE="Pure_Ownage, post: 36419320, member: 72541"]We offered Ablett between 4.5 mil and 5 mil over 5 years and the club was quite clear at the time that this would have required us to move on extra players to accomodate it had he stayed, as our cap was very tight in 2010.

Therefore given our cap is likely to be a lot less tight this year and Adelaide can match an offer, it is fairly likely we would be offering Dangerfield a million a season
Don't inflict tripe on us. Making categoric statements you couldn't possibly know are accurate or pure fiction. Unless you are Balme, Cook, Pckering or Ablett.[/QUOTE]

Easy.

It was widely reported at the time that Geelong were offering around $800k per year, plus endorsements, which would've put Ablett inside the top 5 players in the AFL at the time, and an offer whick Cook publicly commented 'was probably doubled by the GC' with a reported offer of 9.5 mil over 5 years.

That all falls within PO's suggested figures. Of course, no-one outside the club knows definitively, but on the limited information available PO's statement isn't entirely unreasonable.
 

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Have you seen their youth? We all did this year when they lost all of their old players bar one for majority of the year (Lewis). That's 8 kids coming on for say 11 games each and they kept winning. When we lose our older guys naturally it is going to hurt us, but it will hurt us more than it will them. Do you believe in 2017 we can make a finals series when we have no Mackie Rivers Lonergan Enright? We saw what happened in Sydney this year when we lost Lonergan and Enright. We played our worst game in around 10 years
Hawks like us, generally don't win clearances but they win games by having the most potent fwd line in the league and can convert of less chances then any other team. Hence it "seems" they cover the loses really well.

Having 3 players kick over 50 goals in a year (we had 1) is already 100+ goals up on us in the fwd-line, makes a world of difference.

Considering that we finish top 3 along with them and you can see that is a ridiculous gap.
 

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Hawks like us, generally don't win clearances but they win games by having the most potent fwd line in the league and can convert of less chances then any other team. Hence it "seems" they cover the loses really well.

Having 3 players kick over 50 goals in a year (we had 1) is already 100+ goals up on us in the fwd-line, makes a world of difference.

Considering that we finish top 3 along with them and you can see that is a ridiculous gap.
I got confidence that we can play Stanley and Clark in transition CHF/RM, Blitz wing/defence, screw Hmac, let Walker play instead but on a flank or pocket.
 

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I got confidence that we can play Stanley and Clark in transition CHF/RM, Blitz wing/defence, screw Hmac, let Walker play instead but on a flank or pocket.
Well that's why I like the Clark pick up so much, he has the potential to be a fwd that can kick 50 goals in a year (maybe not next year strait away) and if the 3rd tall can chime in with 30 odd that will help us heaps.
 

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I dont believe if Dangerfield leaves the crows he will go anywhere else other than Geelong. He was a die-hard Cats supporter growing up (only 7 years ago) and I think if he decides to come home it wont be all about the money, for all we know it could be a childhood dream of his to play for the Cats. Like most Geelong supporters we have grown up hating Hawthorn so im hoping he still feel that way and stays away from them :) Also lets hope we can thump Adelaide when we play them next year, would be a good look and possibly open Dangers eyes.

Do we all think Melbourne is out of the race for him? They dont seem to be figuring in any conversation regarding where he will go, I thought they were going after him.
 

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Don't inflict tripe on us. Making categoric statements you couldn't possibly know are accurate or pure fiction. Unless you are Balme, Cook, Pckering or Ablett.

Easy.

It was widely reported at the time that Geelong were offering around $800k per year, plus endorsements, which would've put Ablett inside the top 5 players in the AFL at the time, and an offer whick Cook publicly commented 'was probably doubled by the GC' with a reported offer of 9.5 mil over 5 years.

That all falls within PO's suggested figures. Of course, no-one outside the club knows definitively, but on the limited information available PO's statement isn't entirely unreasonable.
The post was categorical. The poster often seeks to puff himself up as having inside information.

I have no difficulties with your assumptions they may or may not be accurate as is the case with assumptions
 

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Yes , but if the we said a player..the right player..is to be brought into the club and part of that is an upfront payment , its much different to what we diid with Caddy or Ottens.
Our difference mainly relates to price Turbo. I don't have a problem with targetting a player and paying a little overs. It's the quantum. Some are talking Franklin type figures. Danger is no Franklin.

Added to which paying him around $500,000 more than Selwood is allegedly getting would be unfair to put it mildly.
 

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I got confidence that we can play Stanley and Clark in transition CHF/RM, Blitz wing/defence, screw Hmac, let Walker play instead but on a flank or pocket.
In order, I'd say tentatively yes, no way, harsh but fair, and no.

To clarify further:

1. Clark will be the first choice CHF, Stanley may make a solid 2nd ruckman.
2. Blicavs shouldn't be put on a wing ever again (the brutal lesson that pace and endurance are not the same thing still has not been absorbed), and he's only got a spot in defence if one of Lonergan or Taylor or Rivers is removed.
3. McIntosh doesn't necessarily deserve the first ruck spot, but the club love him. Unless his legs fall off he'll get first crack.
4. I don't mind at all the idea of Walker at CHF, and in some ways he has as good a claim as any. But he's not a forward pocket; he doesn't get enough of the ball and he doesn't lead up the ground. I'd prefer to make him the CHF to be honest, but that's unlikely to happen unfortunately.
 
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