List Mgmt. OFFICIAL: Dangerfield + Pick 50 for Picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore

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And will Geelong be acting in Dangerfield's best interest? I would hope so. Not organising a reasonable trade would be very ordinary, sending him to another club would be a low-act by your club - wouldn't it? I would say that all of the posters on BF saying that Geelong will hang AFC out to dry, are so far off base they need to check themselves. No way a deal doesn't get done early. It would be traitorous of Geelong to leave PD hanging on the threat of PSD and a club like Carlton or Brisbane jumping into the mix.
Geelong is not his current club though. To us he is a person who would like to join our club and while that is humbling and we should respect that, I'm guessing Geelong would put their current players first.

I quite like Adelaide, but as I was saying, I believe acting against Dangerfield's wishes would be a mistake for them. He has been at the club 7 or 8 years and the other players would be close to him. Screwing him to get the best deal doesn't become okay because he is leaving. That sort of thing is destabilizing for the culture and a mind f#$k for the remaining players. Think of gossip at your workplace. Do you think a friend like Sloane would think less of Patty or Adelaide if they sent him through the PSD?

Either way this is just a hypothetical because a deal is likely to be done. Just by even making the comments though, I feel that Fagan makes it slightly less comfortable for the remaining players.
 

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Not yet he isn't. Do you believe in "club before player"? Or do you think that players are more important than the clubs?


Of course it is in Geelong's hands as well as Adelaide's.


Where did our club attack his family? FFS.


That is just your position Mr Hashtag. You have taken a personal disliking to AFC, which is fine by us. Head over to the Port board and you will get lots of likes.


huh? PD wanting to go to Geelong means we should not be preparing contingencies? Are you kidding?
1. You're naive if you don't think Patrick is thinking as a Geelong player now. He doesn't want to hurt his new team. While he wouldn't want for Adelaide to get nothing, he doesn't want Geelong to be gutted. He isn't going to put Adelaide above himself like you suggest. You're naive on this.

2. The decision to match is completely Adelaide's decision which you will chose not to do.

3. Your clubs handling of this so far has been vile. The lies already are starting. Some professionalism would be good. "Crows before hoes" that's horrible. You want him to have respect but act like immature twats.

4. No I don't dislike Adelaide. I prefer Adelaide to Port as I've spent a lot of time in SA and that's my preference. Your club is not well respected due to the constant scandals, proven or not. It's a personal view but also a widely held view. Something isn't right there. Only Brisbane has a bigger exodus. Your club was widely respected but now there are too many stains.

5. You shouldn't prepare anything as he has made it clear where he wants to go. You are purely after these things to pressure the player. Dangerfield had to agree to a trade. If you had any concern or respect for anyone else but yourself you would say we will deal with Geelong and work this out. Not open for sale, all bidders welcome.
 

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Good to hear it from Patrick's mouth
"I think both the Geelong Football Club and the Adelaide Football Club can come to some sort of arrangement."

Might quite down those supporters from other sides who are still of the opinion that he is heading their way
 

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Good to hear it from Patrick's mouth
"I think both the Geelong Football Club and the Adelaide Football Club can come to some sort of arrangement."

Might quite down those supporters from other sides who are still of the opinion that he is heading their way
And those Geelong supporters saying there won't be a trade
 

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Good to hear it from Patrick's mouth
"I think both the Geelong Football Club and the Adelaide Football Club can come to some sort of arrangement."

Might quite down those supporters from other sides who are still of the opinion that he is heading their way
Where did you get that statement from Paddy?
 

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But we can play that game
We can pay 1.5 for 2 years and then adjust

We just don't see the need to play games
How is that a game ? That's how restricted free agency is supposed to work and that's exactly what Geelong should be doing.

This is why Sydney signed Franklin to that ridiculous 9 year deal, they would have loved to have gotten him for unders, but they knew that the only way there were going to get him from Hawthon as a RFA was to engineer a deal that Hawthorn weren't prepared to match.

When you consider that Geelong has been targeting Dangerfield for a number of years, I just don't understand why Geelong don't appear to be coming to the table with a godfather deal for Danger ? If Geelong were to put a massive offer on the table for Danger the chances are that the Crows wouldn't match the offer and we would just take the compo pick.

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When you consider that Geelong has been targeting Dangerfield for a number of years, I just don't understand why Geelong don't appear to be coming to the table with a godfather deal for Danger ? If Geelong were to put a massive offer on the table for Danger the chances are that the Crows wouldn't match the offer and we would just take the compo pick.
For all we know they may have. The 800k is the rumour based on suggestions it will be in line with Selwood's salary, but that could be a smokescreen. Only a couple of weeks to wait till we know more i guess.

If it ends up being a trade, then i hope it is only for 1 first rounder. if it is for 2 then GFC botched the deal.

But i maintain if it ends in a trade RFA will be seriously rewritten by the AFLPA and the other clubs will only have Adelaide to blame for abusing it.
 

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I'll keep this simple what did you give up for betts
What did the Hawks give up for Frawley
What did we give up for rivers
What will we give up for danger

There is a common answer

Time to mature up as a club. Danger told you of his intentions early - why?

Crows credibility is on the line again, the Talia incident was poor.

Aflpa are all over this
At the time we overpaid for Betts just the same as Sydney overpaid massively for Franklin that's how both clubs gained them under RFA. The Hawks were more than prepared to match if Sydney had only made a paltry offer to Franklin, but weren't prepared to match Sydney's ridiculous 9 year deal.

There's no point trying to compare one of the top 5 players in the AFL with Frawley and Jarad Rivers. We let Chris Knights walk as a RFA to Richmond and didn't even get a compo pick.

There is no credibility on the line here with this, we might possibly be the first team to match but we certainly won't be the last. That's why the rules are there in the first place.
 

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The fact that the AFL wouldn't sign off on that deal - with draft picks now being assigned points (to do with the new bidding system), when it comes to the trading of draft picks the AFL (and most likely the other 16 teams also) would want to see some form of equality in points between picks being traded.

If the only compensation pick given out this off-season was 1 compo pick to Adelaide for the lost of Dangerfield, then our pick 9 is worth 1469 & our 2nd pick would be 28 which is worth 677, totaling 2146; the Crows compo pick would be pick 14 with a value of 1161 - the different of nearly 1000 points means its a trade the AFL (and 16 other clubs) would question as it wouldn't be equal, but rather a clear winner & clear loser with the trade.

While trades won't work out as being a total win-win with what you lose equaling what you get in, there has to be a proximity of parity in the values of traded picks between teams. Examples from recent trade periods are:
- 2014, Geelong & Adelaide: Geelong trade picks 14 & 35 (1683), Adelaide trade picks 10 & 47 (1711)
- 2013, St Kilda & Hawthorn: St Kilda trade picks 24 & 59 (943), Hawthorn trade pick 19 (948)
- 2013, Collingwood & West Coast: Collingwood trade picks 11, 31 & 49 (2222), West Coast trade picks 6 & 44 (2113).

I also can't see Adelaide trading away the compo pick they receive for Dangerfield, especially if they only receive 1 compo pick for him, even if they are getting pick 9 in return.
That makes sense, but the bit that is not as clear to me is how to value players in this sort of system.

Given that we have a lot of vacancies on our list now, could we add a couple of very ordinary Crows players to the trade to "even it up"? We have a recent history of bringing in maligned players (eg. Stanley & Blease), so if we say we value those players highly who's to say we're wrong?

Best case they turn out to be better than expected. Worst case they spend a couple of years improving our VFL side before being delisted.
 

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And those Geelong supporters saying there won't be a trade
He actually says "agreement", nothing of a trade.

But anyway... that's beside the point.


I really have no issue if it comes to a trade. As long as the AFC realize they aren't going to get a "fair" trade for Danger. The most they will get is our 2 first round picks (I don't think it'll be this but the GFC often feel generous). As long as they understand this, and don't be absolute f wits about it, then all will be fine :)
 
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I really have no issue if it comes to a trade. As long as the AFC realize they aren't going to get a "fair" trade for Danger. The most they will get is our 2 first round picks (I don't think it'll be this but the GFC often feel generous). As long as they understand this, and don't be absolute f wits about it, then all will be fine :)
Adelaide will make a song and dance about it, they have to to save face. But I suspect the deal is essentially done bar a bit of theatrics to keep thjeir fans happy. They aren't Essendon.
 

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At the end of the day, even if we did overpay for Danger, it's highly likely players will get squeezed out anyway.

Look at Sydney getting Buddy - Lost Mumford, Malceski, Lamb, now Jetta (although arguably Jetta is not being squeezed out) - and perhaps more that escape me.

In essence, you either pay a price now via what seemingly will be a trade to get the said player for under market $$ value or overpay and see your own players poached later.
 

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For all we know they may have. The 800k is the rumour based on suggestions it will be in line with Selwood's salary, but that could be a smokescreen. Only a couple of weeks to wait till we know more i guess.

If it ends up being a trade, then i hope it is only for 1 first rounder. if it is for 2 then GFC botched the deal.

But i maintain if it ends in a trade RFA will be seriously rewritten by the AFLPA and the other clubs will only have Adelaide to blame for abusing it.
Why would it result in a change to restricted free agency when the whole purpose of RFA is there for scenarios like this.

I find your notion that Adelaide are abusing the rules interesting, the only difference between RFA and UFA is that the current club have a right of refusal by matching the offer for restricted free agents. RFA only allows restricted player movement on deals that the current clubs can't or won't match. Someone could just as easily suggest that Geelong are also attempting to circumvent the system by potentially offering a RFA far below market value.


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KEEP IT ON TOPIC.

If your post isn't about:

A. Dangerfied's decision to leave
B. The mechanics of how that will occur
C. What this means for the clubs involved

It will be deleted and you will lose your right to post here for a week (and possible other infractions).

A number of posters have just been banned from the thread for 7-days. More will follow if off-topic posts persist.

KEEP IT ON TOPIC.
 

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Hopefully the clubs can come to an agreement that suits all parties. Go Cats!
Geelong want him for nothing and Adelaide want Cockatoo, Gregson, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch and two first round draft picks.

Your hope is wishful thinking if you ask most Crows/Cats supporters.
 
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