List Mgmt. OFFICIAL: Dangerfield + Pick 50 for Picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore

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Interesting to note that Frawley must be on $600k not the reported $450-500k
The 450k thing is bullshit and always has been. Hawks outbid Geelong and Freo to get him. It's dreaming fans who keep reducing his salary. He was always on 600k. They paid alot for him.
 

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So compensation is gone in a couple of years? They will keep reducing it and then stop it. Geelong's bargaining power just increased a lot.
How do you come to that conclusion. I come to the opposite. There is now less to lose from matching if compo is less. Dangers compo should be ok but Selwoods compo won't be.
 

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Have you considered Adelaide's position if Geelong refuse to trade? If Geelong think they can still have Dangerfield if he goes into the draft, and Dangerfield is ok with that, what does Adelaide get then?

I only mention this because this possibility has never been mentioned. Endlessly. In this thread. It's never come up. Really.
One eyed Adelaide fans – “We need 2 first round draft picks and a player or straight to the draft. I’m happy to lose 14 to send a message”
One eyed Geelong fans – “We will just refuse to trade and he’ll go into the draft. No-one else will pick him up and we’ll get him for free.”
Chris Scott - “The most important step is the players nominating Geelong as their club of choice and then generally the two clubs need to do a deal. But if recent history is any guide, even if clubs seem a fair way away early on in the piece, and that is not my understanding in this situation, the deals are still done.”
I stand by my post. A deal will get done. It will be unders but more than pick 14. Geelong will be happy to give up something to get him and avoid the draft lottery but I highly doubt it will be 2 first rounders and a decent player. Adelaide might be willing to roll the dice and risk losing 14 but they won’t be willing to roll the dice and walk away from a sensible offer like pick 9 and a pick/player/ or combo.
 

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How do you come to that conclusion. I come to the opposite. There is now less to lose from matching if compo is less. Dangers compo should be ok but Selwoods compo won't be.
Yep but WCE won't match Selwood. The whole thing is players want free movement and the system is inequitable the way compensation is handed out. They needed compensation to keep the clubs happy.

They also added restricted free agency to keep clubs happy. The reality is that restricted free agency will go and so will any form of compensation. They are both counterproductive to the system.

The benefit for Geelong is will there be compensation in 2017??? The increased likelihood is no. Hence PD's value plummets. He is worth nothing in two years. He is going to depreciate at a rapid rate.

The value of compensation is only an issue if restricted free agency exists. And they will axe both in the next year or two despite protests from some clubs.
 

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How do you come to that conclusion. I come to the opposite. There is now less to lose from matching if compo is less. Dangers compo should be ok but Selwoods compo won't be.
But if pick 9 is now too much for Danger the AFC will have to give more to GFC in a trade ...I can see blood flowing in the Adelaide streets now...
 

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Yep but WCE won't match Selwood. The whole thing is players want free movement and the system is inequitable the way compensation is handed out. They needed compensation to keep the clubs happy.

They also added restricted free agency to keep clubs happy. The reality is that restricted free agency will go and so will any form of compensation. They are both counterproductive to the system.

The benefit for Geelong is will there be compensation in 2017??? The increased likelihood is no. Hence PD's value plummets. He is worth nothing in two years. He is going to depreciate at a rapid rate.

The value of compensation is only an issue if restricted free agency exists. And they will axe both in the next year or two despite protests from some clubs.
The whole sysytem inequitable....Adelaide get 12 home games....Geelong 7 or 8 if lucky and which other club has to play their home games at the oppositions home ground....then the draw....the academy.....the list is extensive....nothing equal at all.

For what it is worth I don't think Adelaide has done that well from the AFL so I feel for them, but Geelong has had a more difficult position for many years.
 

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How do you come to that conclusion. I come to the opposite. There is now less to lose from matching if compo is less. Dangers compo should be ok but Selwoods compo won't be.
I agree with regard to Geelong having less bargaining power for Danger, however with regards to compo for Selwood, it may not matter if he is the top 15% (rather than top 5%), as end of 1st round pick would be nearly the same as a 1st round draft pick for West Coast (only 2 picks lower)
 

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Heres a tip, if you had been adding something even slightly intelligent you wouldnt have been banned. You chose to deliberately bait, provoke, and be disparaging, thats why you got moved on. Not only did you get yourself kicked out but you set a tone, you pissed off the mods and made it extremely difficult for other Geelong posters to post on the Adelaide board.

Its been quite disappointing to see so many of you booted off the Adelaide board because by geezus it could do with some balance. If you want someone other than The Sloane Ranger to blame maybe direct some of your anger a couple of your own that made the situation untenable.

Yeah yeah see ya later.
Dear wood
have a read of my last 50 posts on your board. there was no trolling no abuse, no provocation. Yet I was subject to constant abuse and tagging.
you have no right to tell other posters on their home board what to post and what not to post
grow up little fella

the crows were all over roo looking after them in this transaction, and he has failed to do so
if comments are made to that effect they are based on the body of comments relating to the aforementioned twat and his strength in the city otherwise known as Adelaide

all you have done is have a melt, and sook off

I hope seeing danger in a geelong top for a compo pick is not too hard to swallow
he is geelong bound and no matter how many times you try and concoct trade scenarios they are not coming true

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Yep but WCE won't match Selwood. The whole thing is players want free movement and the system is inequitable the way compensation is handed out. They needed compensation to keep the clubs happy.

They also added restricted free agency to keep clubs happy. The reality is that restricted free agency will go and so will any form of compensation. They are both counterproductive to the system.

The benefit for Geelong is will there be compensation in 2017??? The increased likelihood is no. Hence PD's value plummets. He is worth nothing in two years. He is going to depreciate at a rapid rate.

The value of compensation is only an issue if restricted free agency exists. And they will axe both in the next year or two despite protests from some clubs.
His value would plummet in 2017 anyway as he will be 28 by the time he came to us. Not sure it changes a lot as by then it would be a 2nd rounder compo under the current rules.
 

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That may not eventuate though. there's 8 clubs ahead of us. Do you want to take the risk of planning for his arrival (clearing cap space) only to then have him poached at the draft? No thanks.

we'd need to do what PO suggested. Trade up to GC's pick 3 and that will cost as well.
Can Dangerfield say no to other clubs? If he wants to come to us, what can he do to ensure he does, if he's in the draft?
 

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a few jobs would become vacant at our end if we opened up cap space, turfed SJ out a year early and then gave another club a sniff. No loose ends. No games of chicken just get this done. Don't care if we have to trade for him, just get him into the club with the least amount of fuss.
We need to stand strong + not allow the other teams to come close. If Dangerfield said he wants to play for Geelong + every other RFA who's nominated a club went to that club for zilch, why should we set a new precedent?
 

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Really? The players mooted have been Murdoch and Gregson mainly. If we give up 9 and one of those we're still ahead. Secondly what player should we then go out and target? Aish? Redden? Treloar? All of which will cost R1 picks so we might as well give it up for the cream or stump up the cash so they don't match. can't have our cake and eat it too. One or the other, cash or picks. Unless the afl come to the party of course. I'm content with 9 and an expendable player.
Gregson isn't going anywhere!!! He'll be an absolute Geelong gun!!!
 

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Gotta be careful who you joke around with on here atm but knew you'd take it the right way :)
Boobsie is the M-A-N!!!

"The Crows can let Dangerfield walk to Geelong — and then wait on the AFL to assign them a compensation draft pick, currently listed at No. 14. That is the draft pick in the hand, offered by the AFL and at no expense to the Cats, that Adelaide can then use for other deals.
Clubs have blinked before. Luke Ball made it from St Kilda to Collingwood even though the Magpies did not have a pick in the 2009 national draft until No. 30.
Kurt Tippett made it from Adelaide to Sydney on the Swans’ No. 11 call in the 2013 pre-season draft.
The Crows are about to start a huge game of poker with Connors and Geelong. And they don’t seem to have an ace up their sleeve."
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...chelangelo-rucci/story-fnp04d6z-1227560680261

Geelong should just sit tight, Dangerfield can tell other clubs he only wants to play for Geelong, what are they going to do? Draft a player who doesn't want to be there + will leave at the end of next year's season?
 

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This has been in play for months - eg. hawkins contract 'structure' issues, Motlop keeping his deal to 2 years, etc. salary cap space doesn't magically open up overnight. But combined with Cook's comments re: free agency causing a revision of how they apply the salary bands, yep, anticipating a heavily front-loaded deal which will give Adelaide 2 things:
1. An argument to suggest they're not interested in matching, and
2. A chance to maximise the compensation they receive.
As a hypothetical, Cats say willing to pay an average of 850k a year to Danger. Perhaps the first two years is done at 1.55m each to create issues for the crows, with the following four years (under a subsequent extension once he's in) is done at 500k per annum. This also gives the club space to pay the up and comers more as they rise in value (Motlop, Guthrie, Duncan, etc) as well as be able to pay Hawk on a more back-ended deal. New TV rights will also help with timing.

So if we throw a 3m plus deal to Danger over a 2 year period, AFL might have sufficient cover to hand out two comp picks. There is no transparency as to their magic formula anyway, and have already flagged that they'll change it to suit different contract values now getting thrown around. So if a contract worth <500k is now worth a 2nd round comp pick, what is a contract of over 1.5m per annum worth?

Backup plan is still the ability to make them choke it down with the pick 14 compensation in need.

We don't have to bend over here, and it's highly doubtful that the current board with all of its strategy and deal-making experience (Carter, Drummond, etc) would then be prepared to sacrifice club champions like SJ, Kelly, etc as well as let Cook, Hocking and Wells swing in the breeze as it all fell over.
This would be a catastrophic failure by some pretty experienced professionals if it all went pear-shaped, and I for one don't see it happening. This has been planned for a very long time.
Excellent post jnrb! Let's just have faith that they know what they're doing + all their jaunts to Harvard pay off.
 

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He goes to the draft he can't refuse to go where he's drafted to. That's the risk of going to the draft.
I just can't see another club risking him to play for one year + then he'll leave as a free agent + come to Geelong. Other RFA's have all gone to the Clubs they chose, why can't Dangerfield? Frankly, it's just churlish of Adelaide.
 

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It's only a theoretical risk though, not much of one in practice.
It's more of a PITA than anything else.
I'd say it's only theoretical because no one ever picks a player up. Nonetheless it's an important rule to have otherwise there'd be little to no trading and clubs would just push players back into the draft more often. That inherent risk sees deals get done.
 

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I'd say it's only theoretical because no one ever picks a player up. Nonetheless it's an important rule to have otherwise there'd be little to no trading and clubs would just push players back into the draft more often. That inherent risk sees deals get done.
No, I meant the risk of him being picked up by another club in the draft before Geelong is only theoretical, there is almost zero chance of it happening in practice, particularly this year.
 
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