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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

You guys keeping mentioning youngster...

Grima is 20. Hardly and old fella. Say Mooney has 4 years in him, Grima would be a ripe age of 24. Hardly ancient.

Lonergan is 23. Davenport is 22

I would hate to have options as a GFC fan of players of players who could play tough and mean as both a KPP and a tall forward like Grima.

Get rid of the natural and promote Grima. For the love of the Gods!
Well said. I'm not sure why people think Grima won't be promoted. I would have thought that Davenport was the standout (from the rookie list), with Lonergan and Grima just behind. I see no reason to alter that view. Grima could very easily play seniors next year.

Remember, there's no guarantee that Mooney or Nathan Ablett or Hawkins won't get injured. In which case we'll need another key forward. And I'd prefer Grima to a first year rookie. To me he's the obvious choice.
 

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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

You guys keeping mentioning youngster...

Grima is 20. Hardly and old fella. Say Mooney has 4 years in him, Grima would be a ripe age of 24. Hardly ancient.

Lonergan is 23. Davenport is 22

I would hate to have options as a GFC fan of players of players who could play tough and mean as both a KPP and a tall forward like Grima.

Get rid of the natural and promote Grima. For the love of the Gods!
I was using youngster in the context of players who haven't spent any time in the system. Grima, although still young, has spent some time in the system. To the GFC, he's a known quantity. Perhaps they're not interested in what he has to offer? For the record, I'd like to see him promoted too, but I have absolute faith in our club's list management.
 

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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

Say we delist Owen, Spencer and Sam Hunt.

We've then got 7 spots on our list (with H, King, Gardiner and Callan gone too).

We're promoting Lonergan and Davenport which leaves 5.

Our last pick is Donohue, so that's our 5th pick - 62.

That makes it virtually a choice between Grima and our second last pick - our 4th pick - 50.

Wells et al will make the call on whether we are likely to get something better than Grima with pick 50.

I have my doubts on whether 50 is likely to be better than Grima, but I put my full faith in Wells and the team.
That's the wrong way to look at it.

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason (such as to promote Grima). So whichever way you look at it, we are not using pick 50.

The correct comparison is whether Grima is a better option than the best of your three delistings. I think he is, which is why I would promote him (along with the fact that he is a key forward and we need another one of them).
 
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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason
Wells has said we'll have 4 picks in the draft. It's reasonable to assume it will be four in addition to Donohue. Donohue goes with our last (5th) pick - 62.

To make room for all of that. Extra delisitings must occur.

Aside from that, the specific reasons are:

*Owen - better to rehab on the rookie list
*Spencer - not good enough
*Sam Hunt - not good enough

They WILL all go and the choice will be between Grima and 50.
 

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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason (such as to promote Grima). So whichever way you look at it, we are not using pick 50.

Wells has said we'll have 4 picksilst in the draft. It's reasonable to assume it will be four in addition to Donohue. Donohue goes with our last (5th) pick - 62.
*Owen - better to rehab on the rookie list
*Spencer - not good enough
*Sam Hunt - not good enough

They WILL all go and the choice will be between Grima and 50.
Whilst both scenarios are equally possible there is another.We still don't know if any player/s will be lost in the PSD. Thinking here of Tenace and any other player out of contract.
But I agree that 2 if not 3 of the above players will be delisted.
 
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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

That's the wrong way to look at it.

There is little doubt in my mind that we won't delist another three unless there is a specific reason (such as to promote Grima). So whichever way you look at it, we are not using pick 50.

The correct comparison is whether Grima is a better option than the best of your three delistings. I think he is, which is why I would promote him (along with the fact that he is a key forward and we need another one of them).
Its an interesting thing then that Grima is the obvious choice but isnt obviously upgraded?...and thats the point. The decision on him seems to be dependent and conditional on perhaps other extenuating circumstances.

The real question is what might those circumstances be? I can only think of five of which you have already answered some Reg in your postings. List balance...do we need another tall forward option...I agree with you we do. Secondly is he good enough? In 1-2 years surely. Thirdly... what are we giving up in exchange for Grima potentially being on the list? It could well be talent expectations for later picks in exchange for Grima or it might more simply be what did we get with our first pick and would Grima then become the talented VFL player who falls in behind #17 the other tall forward option we just drafted as the best player left available at that pick. Fourthly leading on from the third point if we missed on our preferred tall forward options in the early picks and come to #50 lets say...who is better...Grima or a rookie? Whilst this draft could have some hidden gems later in the field I doubt that will include talented tall forward options. Given we have late picks in the first two rounds we will be at the end of the talent queue and will need some luck for the cards/players to fall our way. Fifth point is less obvious but equally possible that an uncontracted cat player might stroll into the PSD at the last minute and surprise us all. The list may not balance up so well but Grima's chances of staying improve or we decide to look at pick #62 as a live pick. We might be delaying a decision on him waiting to see what transpires ourselves with some uncontracted players who may be offered peanuts in the next 2 weeks due to cap pressures.

So I think its less about the comparison to the guys being delisted as its generally established Grima is the best of the other three for varying reasons so then the only other logical conclusion if he is not upgraded in the next 2 weeks is that we will wait to see what happens in the draft given the PSD scenario is purely hypothetical.
 
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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

Matt's gone,Tod hasnt been promoted.Hopefully no more vitriol from"thehoff'.I feel very sorry for Shannon.Another season of poisoned barbs from a broken down "never was" could have been,if only i hadnt broken my ankle.Tosser
 

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Tod hasnt been promoted.
Yet.
I and many other people won't be very happy if he isn't and I really don't think we won't promote him.

I feel very sorry for Shannon.Another season of poisoned barbs from a broken down "never was" could have been,if only i hadnt broken my ankle.Tosser
Feel sorry for Shannon, uhm, why? (You may have explained it in the remainder of your post but (sorry) I couldn't understand it...)
 

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Re: Is it the end for Grima at the Cats?

Yet.
I and many other people won't be very happy if he isn't and I really don't think we won't promote him.


Feel sorry for Shannon, uhm, why? (You may have explained it in the remainder of your post but (sorry) I couldn't understand it...)
Noob.

Senior would know.
 

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Just released by GFC:

Delisted: Spencer, S.Hunt, Owen
Rookie Promotion : Lonegan, Davenport (we knew that)

Bedfoord still a rookie, but Grima and Reynolds cut off rookie list
 

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Why do we have 5 picks in the National draft, and four rookie picks, when this is supposed to be a weak draft?[/quote

Obviously the TPP cap is very tight, think Owen is still a chance to be picked up in the Rookie draft.
Grima is unfortunate to be inbetween sizes,not big enough for KP and too slow for a flanker.
Think they are trying to fit Tenace in by creating some spare $.
 
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Owen and Grima may be considered for a rookie berth, as in re drafted. Grima wont be around then so its a mute point.

Can anyone shed any light on the Grima decision...simply to mean...more than what we already know? If the simple argument is Lonergan was picked ahead of him because he is the right size with similar ability and that's all we had room for on the list...ok. Was Grima going to ask too much money? Has Grima already been offered a contract by another club for the PSD and has just asked to be delisted? Otherwise finding it a little hard to understand at the moment as Grima will certainly make it to the AFL.

Perhaps with modern footy increasingly being about endurance and leg speed Davenport will actually be brought forward as a forward flanker...as he often played in the VFL. Perhaps considered superior to Grima at the highest level because of those features. Grima obviously has a size advantage but perhaps not strong enough for a Key Forward Position and lacks the endurance and pace of a flank? Obviously the Geelong list is not an easy thing to make and Grima perhaps would cost us too much $$ for little senior game time if any in the next 2 years given our current forward set up. Just thinking out loud really and very much open to other suggestions and possibilities.

I think the club is still bracing itself for the possibility of an uncontracted player opting for the PSD. Could be a while before that one is answered. Pick #62 seems set up for that contingency IMO.
 
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