Official List Changes

[Axcellence]

I'm hoping someone in the recruiting team realizes we could use some key defenders and not use all our picks on semi-mature players...

And midfielders

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And midfielders

Calm down, we have Ross, Dunnel, Curran, Ledger, Newnes all trying to get a weekly gig, and I would be stunned and amazed if we didn't also take some mids in the draft. Mids are the "easiest" players to get in a short time frame.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Calm down, we have Ross, Dunnel, Curran, Ledger, Newnes all trying to get a weekly gig, and I would be stunned and amazed if we didn't also take some mids in the draft. Mids are the "easiest" players to get in a short time frame.

I imagine at least 2 of our picks will be used on mids. As well as a couple of our rookie picks. (If we end up with any).

Be happy to take a KPP with 25 and then 3 mids.

 

[Kildonan]

Here is an update on all official changes at club so far this off season.

OUTGOING:

DELISTED
Brett Peake
Sam Crocker
Dean Polo
Daniel Archer

FREE AGENCY
Brendon Goddard (to Essendon) - Compensation pick #13

TRADE
Jamie Cripps + pick #46 for picks #41 and #44

TRAINING STAFF
Peter Burge (High Performance Manager)

INCOMING:

FREE AGENCY
Nil

TRADE
Tom Lee (Adelaide/Caremont) + picks #24 and #43 - for Pick 12 (to GWS)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast) + Picks #26 and #47 - for picks #13, #37 and #57 (to Gold Coast)
Trent Dennis Lane (Sydney) - for pick #47

2013 Draft Picks:
25, 26, 41, 44, 77, 95, 113, 131

TRAINING STAFF
Bill Davoren (High Performance Manager)
Simon Kearney (Sports Science Manager)
Luke Vella (Exercise Physiologist)
Tony Micale (Player Academy Manager)

DIRECTORS
Jack Rush QC
Danni Rush
Paul Kirk
Russell Caplan

UNCONTRACTED PLAYERS
Jason Blake
Raph Clarke

 

[Half Back Pocket]

OUTGOING:

DELISTED
Brett Peake
Sam Crocker
Dean Polo
Daniel Archer (Rookie)

SACKED
Jason Gram

FREE AGENCY
Brendon Goddard (to Essendon) - Compensation pick #13

TRADE
Jamie Cripps


INCOMING:

TRADE
Tom Lee (Adelaide/Caremont)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast)
Trent Dennis Lane (Sydney)

2013 Draft Picks:
25, 26, 41, 44, 77, 95, 113, 131



6 players off main list....3 added on.

we will definitely want to use 25,26,41 & 44 - upgrade Dunell with 77.

Still 2 to be delisted IMO...Raph & CJ are the best bets.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Thought I may as well update the list ...

OUTGOING:

DELISTED
Brett Peake
Sam Crocker
Dean Polo
Raphael Clarke
Daniel Archer (Rookie)
Warrick Andreoli (Rookie)

SACKED
Jason Gram

FREE AGENCY
Brendon Goddard (to Essendon) - Compensation pick #13

TRADE
Jamie Cripps


INCOMING:

TRADE
Tom Lee (Adelaide/Caremont)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast)
Trent Dennis Lane (Sydney)

2013 Draft Picks:
25, 26, 41, 44, 77, 95, 113, 131

 

[Persevering Saint]

Judgey, could up also bold or something the amount of picks we currently HAVE to use to fill spaces (so I THINK it's the five picks up to 77? Am I right?)

 

[The Punter]

7 Out
3 In

We use four draft picks

How do we upgrade anyone?

Apologies if answer earlier in the thread.

 

[hayes]

We discussed this in the list management thread and I don't think anyone's really sure yet, some people think CJ might get the chop if one more has to go. Dunell is definitely being upgraded so something has to give whether it be a player or draft pick.

 

[Squizz]

FYI (doesn't change anything for us given we have multiple veterans, but it is a factor for other clubs)

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/150579/default.aspx

General manager of list management Tim Harrington “The magic number for clubs is 44 players at your disposal, whether that’s 40 on your primary list and four rookies or you can choose to have 39 on your primary list and five rookies. Or you can have 38 and six,”

“The AFL also dropped the requirement to have ‘X’ amount of rookies, so you can choose whether to have rookies or not."

“If you do only have 39 on your primary list and five rookies, then one of those rookies can become your nominated rookie at the start of the year, who can play senior footy all year.

“There is no veterans list anymore, so the maximum number on your primary list is 40 and you can still have veterans, but the veteran criteria has changed … which is 10 years service to your club. The age limit of 30 years has been dropped and you can have as many veterans as you’d like on your primary list, who fulfill that category of 10 years service and you get roughly $130,000 per player outside of your cap.

“So they become primary listed players, instead of being on the veterans list, so that’s the fundamental change.”

 

[Half Back Pocket]

FYI (doesn't change anything for us given we have multiple veterans, but it is a factor for other clubs)

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/150579/default.aspx

General manager of list management Tim Harrington “The magic number for clubs is 44 players at your disposal, whether that’s 40 on your primary list and four rookies or you can choose to have 39 on your primary list and five rookies. Or you can have 38 and six,”

“The AFL also dropped the requirement to have ‘X’ amount of rookies, so you can choose whether to have rookies or not."

“If you do only have 39 on your primary list and five rookies, then one of those rookies can become your nominated rookie at the start of the year, who can play senior footy all year.

“There is no veterans list anymore, so the maximum number on your primary list is 40 and you can still have veterans, but the veteran criteria has changed … which is 10 years service to your club. The age limit of 30 years has been dropped and you can have as many veterans as you’d like on your primary list, who fulfill that category of 10 years service and you get roughly $130,000 per player outside of your cap.

“So they become primary listed players, instead of being on the veterans list, so that’s the fundamental change.”

Wow..that changes things up!!

Although he doesn't mention NSW Rookie exemptions.

ATM we have 34 Listed
5 Rookie Listed
1 NSW Rookie Listed

so...we take 4 at the Draft & upgrade Sam......39 Listed
we take 1 player in Rookie Draft................5 Listed
(1 of these players is the nominated Rookie - Tommy?)

there is our 44.

 

[stkildathunda]

Sounds like we will be have 39 & 5 then, with Curren to be nominated rookie. Unless my maths is way out of whack and I've messed up!! That's assuming we take 1 pick in Rookie Draft.

 

[Squizz]

Someone might point out what the obvious need is for Curren at round 1 (he can be elevated for LTI or at the half way point of the season). If the salary cap is there, why wouldn't the club use 40 players on the senior list rather than another rookie?

 

[stkildathunda]

Someone might point out what the obvious need is for Curren at round 1 (he can be elevated for LTI or at the half way point of the season). If the salary cap is there, why wouldn't the club use 40 players on the senior list rather than another rookie?

More flexibility maybe? Doesn't have to be Curren. If say we picked up Cook or Cockie in rookie draft it gives us that option if they have awesome preseason. Can't see us using pick 44 on either of them!

 

[Squizz]

More flexibility maybe? Doesn't have to be Curren. If say we picked up Cook or Cockie in rookie draft it gives us that option if they have awesome preseason. Can't see us using pick 44 on either of them!

What about pick 77 (our 5th pick? Dunny can be upgraded with any pick). Or getting a delisted FA?

I guess they could try a state league full back and make him the nominated rookie if he works out during pre-season?

But my issue is that if they think player X can add something to the list, then for the sake of a few extra dollars why allow another club to grab them with a shitty pick?

I'd hope they don't want to pick up another 18yo that they weren't prepared to give a 2 year contract to. We have enough young players in development. Curren has been at the club 2 years and they still don't want to give him a main list spot! And we just flicked Woz.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Someone might point out what the obvious need is for Curren at round 1 (he can be elevated for LTI or at the half way point of the season). If the salary cap is there, why wouldn't the club use 40 players on the senior list rather than another rookie?

Just seems like another way to frig around with the Salary cap for mine.
If you are tight you use rookies. If not you take them in the draft.

Effect. Clubs flying close to the edge will miss out on the better Rookies, as others using less of their cap will take them before the rookie draft.
So the Barlow type players are more likely to be picked in a club that is lacking big names, while those with full caps will take the more way out picks as rookies

 

[Kildonan]

Player List 2012

  Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position
   7 Hayes, Lenny          241 31 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills      Midfield
  44 Milne, Stephen        236 31 08 Mar 1980 176cm  83kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
  27 Blake, Jason          199 30 15 Mar 1981 189cm  90kg Beaumaris          Utility
  25 Fisher, Sam           167 29 10 Jul 1982 192cm  92kg West Adelaide      Defender
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    176 29 20 Sep 1982 197cm  93kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        219 29 17 Oct 1982 193cm  96kg Southport          Forward
  30 Peake, Brett          117 28 05 Jul 1983 186cm  85kg Fremantle          Fwd/Mid
  11 Montagna, Leigh       169 28 11 Nov 1983 178cm  78kg Northern Knights    Midfield
  24 Dempster, Sean        119 27 20 Jan 1984 192cm  86kg Gippsland U18      Defence
   4 Jones, Clinton         97 27 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle    Midfield
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       216 27 22 Feb 1984 185cm  84kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield
   1 Gram, Jason           139 27 27 Apr 1984 186cm  88kg Gippsland Power    Defence
  13 Schneider, Adam       187 27 12 May 1984 175cm  78kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      185 26 20 May 1985 191cm  93kg Traralgon          Utility
   8 Clarke, Raphael        82 26 24 Sep 1985 188cm  85kg St Mary's          Defence
  37 Wilkes, Beau           23 25 20 Mar 1986 194cm  98kg West Coast
  22 Ray, Farren           146 25 29 Mar 1986 187cm  83kg Peel Thunder        Midfield
  34 Polo, Dean             71 25 05 Aug 1986 187cm  86kg Richmond            Defence
  33 Gwilt, James           82 25 11 Aug 1986 188cm  94kg Noble Park          Utility
  19 Gilbert, Sam          110 25 19 Aug 1986 194cm  90kg Southport          Defence
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  32 Milera, Terry           0 23 08 Jan 1988 185cm  68kg Port Adelaide
  20 Armitage, David        50 23 16 Jun 1988 183cm  84kg Morningside        Midfield
  14 Geary, Jarryn          52 23 23 Jun 1988 183cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers  Midfield
   5 McEvoy, Ben            53 22 11 Jul 1989 200cm  98kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  21 Saad, Ahmed             0 22 09 Oct 1989 175cm  74kg Northern Bullants
  38 Dunell, Sam (R)         0 21 21 Feb 1990 190cm  81kg Bendigo
   3 Steven, Jack           30 21 28 Mar 1990 180cm  79kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield
  47 Simpkin, Tom            2 21 07 Aug 1990 191cm  91kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  39 Shenton, Cameron (R)    0 21 27 Sep 1990 188cm  84kg Norwood/Golden
  28 Stanley, Rhys           9 21 01 Dec 1990 200cm  95kg West Adelaide      Ruck
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        2 20 27 Apr 1991 189cm  81kg Claremont          Defence
  42 Archer, Daniel (R)      1 20 26 Oct 1991 193cm  99kg Clarence
  46 Andreoli, Warrick (R)   0 19 28 Feb 1992 183cm  73kg South Fremantle
   9 Crocker, Sam            0 19 12 Mar 1992 178cm  71kg Oakleigh Chargers
  15 Ledger, Tom             2 19 17 Mar 1992 178cm  73kg Claremont
  10 Markworth, Daniel       0 19 03 Apr 1992 189cm  76kg Calder Cannons
  35 Cripps, Jamie           4 19 23 Apr 1992 183cm  75kg East Fremantle
  43 Curren, Thomas (R)      0 19 29 Jul 1992 178cm  78kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Ferguson, Jackson (R)   0 19 23 Oct 1992 194cm  86kg Holroyd-Parramatta
   2 Siposs, Arryn           5 19 25 Nov 1992 188cm  82kg Dandenong Stingrays
  16 Newnes, Jack            0 18 24 Feb 1993 184cm  73kg Northern Knights
   6 Ross, Sebastian         0 18 07 May 1993 187cm  82kg North Ballarat Rebels
  36 Lever, Jay              0 18 15 Jun 1993 200cm  86kg Geelong Falcons
  29 Webster, Jimmy          0 18 28 Jun 1993 187cm  72kg Glenorchy
  40 Staley, Jordan (R)      0 18 14 Jul 1993 194cm  90kg Gippsland
  41 Minchington, Darren (R) 0 18 09 Dec 1993 179cm  80kg Dandenong

OUTGOING:

DELISTED
Brett Peake
Sam Crocker
Dean Polo
Raphael Clarke
Daniel Archer (Rookie)
Warrick Andreoli (Rookie)

SACKED
Jason Gram

FREE AGENCY
Brendon Goddard (to Essendon) - Compensation pick #13

TRADE
Jamie Cripps


INCOMING:

TRADE
Tom Lee (Adelaide/Caremont)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast)
Trent Dennis Lane (Sydney)

DRAFT
#24 Nathan Wright
#25 Spencer White
#40 Brodie Murdoch
#43 Josh Saunders
#75 Lewis Pierce

ROOKIE UPGRADE
#90 Sam Dunell

Player List 2013

  Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position
   7 Hayes, Lenny          263 32 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills      Midfield
  44 Milne, Stephen        258 32 08 Mar 1980 176cm  83kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward
  27 Blake, Jason          212 31 15 Mar 1981 189cm  90kg Beaumaris          Utility
  25 Fisher, Sam           182 30 10 Jul 1982 192cm  92kg West Adelaide      Defender
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    195 30 20 Sep 1982 197cm  93kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        238 30 17 Oct 1982 193cm  96kg Southport          Forward
  11 Montagna, Leigh       191 29 11 Nov 1983 178cm  78kg Northern Knights    Midfield
  24 Dempster, Sean        141 28 20 Jan 1984 192cm  86kg Gippsland U18      Defence
   4 Jones, Clinton        114 28 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle    Midfield
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       238 28 22 Feb 1984 185cm  84kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield
  13 Schneider, Adam       195 28 12 May 1984 175cm  78kg Osbourne            Forward
  37 Wilkes, Beau           33 26 20 Mar 1986 194cm  98kg West Coast
  22 Ray, Farren           157 26 29 Mar 1986 187cm  83kg Peel Thunder        Midfield
  33 Gwilt, James           96 26 11 Aug 1986 188cm  94kg Noble Park          Utility
  19 Gilbert, Sam          131 26 19 Aug 1986 194cm  90kg Southport          Defence
  32 Milera, Terry          15 24 08 Jan 1988 185cm  68kg Port Adelaide
  20 Armitage, David        71 24 16 Jun 1988 183cm  84kg Morningside        Midfield
  14 Geary, Jarryn          72 24 23 Jun 1988 183cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield
  ?? Dennis-Lane, Trent     19 24 30 Aug 1988 181cm  75kg Subiaco / Sydney    Forward
   5 McEvoy, Ben            69 23 11 Jul 1989 200cm  98kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  21 Saad, Ahmed            16 23 09 Oct 1989 175cm  74kg Northern Bullants  Forward
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  38 Dunell, Sam             5 22 21 Feb 1990 190cm  81kg Bendigo
   3 Steven, Jack           51 22 28 Mar 1990 180cm  79kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield
  47 Simpkin, Tom           21 22 07 Aug 1990 191cm  91kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  39 Shenton, Cameron (R)    0 22 27 Sep 1990 188cm  84kg Norwood/Golden
  28 Stanley, Rhys          21 22 01 Dec 1990 200cm  95kg West Adelaide      Ruck
  ?? Lee, Tom                0 21 02 Jan 1991 195cm  94kg Claremont          Forward
  ?? Hickey, Tom            12 21 06 Mar 1991 201cm  87kg Morningside        Ruck
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        2 21 27 Apr 1991 189cm  81kg Claremont          Defence
  15 Ledger, Tom             6 20 17 Mar 1992 178cm  73kg Claremont
  10 Markworth, Daniel       0 20 03 Apr 1992 189cm  76kg Calder Cannons
  43 Curren, Thomas (R)      0 20 29 Jul 1992 178cm  78kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Ferguson, Jackson (R)   0 20 23 Oct 1992 194cm  86kg Holroyd-Parramatta
   2 Siposs, Arryn          16 20 25 Nov 1992 188cm  82kg Dandenong Stingrays
  ?? Wright, Nathan          0 19 16 Feb 1993 184cm  78kg Dandenong Stingrays
  16 Newnes, Jack            7 19 24 Feb 1993 184cm  73kg Northern Knights
   6 Ross, Sebastian         1 19 07 May 1993 187cm  82kg North Ballarat Rebels
  36 Lever, Jay              0 19 15 Jun 1993 200cm  86kg Geelong Falcons
  29 Webster, Jimmy          0 19 28 Jun 1993 187cm  72kg Glenorchy
  40 Staley, Jordan (R)      0 19 14 Jul 1993 194cm  90kg Gippsland
  41 Minchington, Darren (R) 0 19 09 Dec 1993 179cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays
  ?? Murdoch, Brodie         0 18 20 Jan 1994 187cm  86kg Glenelg
  ?? Saunders, Josh          0 18 31 Aug 1994 183cm  88kg Geelong Falcons
  ?? White, Spencer          0 18 22 Sep 1994 195cm  94kg Western Jets
  ?? Pierce, Lewis           0 18 16 Nov 1994 202cm  88kg Dandenong Stingrays

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

One thing - is Wright born in 93 or 94? Seen both dates thrown around.

 

[Kildonan]

One thing - is Wright born in 93 or 94? Seen both dates thrown around.

Club says 93

OUTGOING:

DELISTED
Brett Peake
Sam Crocker
Dean Polo
Raphael Clarke
Nicholas Winmar
Daniel Archer (Rookie)
Warrick Andreoli (Rookie)

SACKED
Jason Gram

FREE AGENCY
Brendon Goddard (to Essendon) - Compensation pick #13

TRADE
Jamie Cripps


INCOMING:

TRADE
Tom Lee (Adelaide/Caremont)
Tom Hickey (Gold Coast)
Trent Dennis Lane (Sydney)

DRAFT
#24 Nathan Wright
#25 Spencer White
#40 Brodie Murdoch
#43 Josh Saunders
#75 Lewis Pierce

ROOKIE UPGRADE
#90 Sam Dunell

 

[Persevering Saint]

TEN PLAYERS gone in one year! That's about a QUARTER of our list! WOW! That is pretty incredible. If it's not a rebuild, it's a minor extension to the house!

And with (apparently) the potential for even more to come!

 

[stkildathunda]

TEN PLAYERS gone in one year! That's about a QUARTER of our list! WOW! That is pretty incredible. If it's not a rebuild, it's a minor extension to the house!

And with (apparently) the potential for even more to come!

Add it to the 11 from last year!! 21 in two years is massive!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

StKilda have 3 players who were on the list for the 2000 season.
5 from 2001
7 from 2002
7 from 2003
8 from 2004
9 from 2005
10 from 2006
13 from 2007
17 from 2008
20 from 2009
20 from 2010
24 from 2011

Most of the players on our list were not there for the 2 grand finals.

 

[Persevering Saint]

That's the biggest issue for me. A VAST majority of those players have NEVER played finals. That is a bit of a problem. It's a reason I really want us to get in the top 6 for 2013 - not because I think we'll win it next year (I mean, we might, but hey), but because I want those young uns to go through that experience with some veterans who have been there before.

 

[Squizz]

A VAST majority of those players have NEVER played finals.

Very valid point. The VFL Elimination Final was quite high intensity, and Box Hill played some good footy (I think a few of their players ended up playing AFL finals). We need the guys to get alot tighter as a team and start consistently winning VFL finals. This won't fully prepare them for AFL finals, but does show the step up in tempo for any final (and whether they can adapt to the sudden increase in pressure).

 

[Persevering Saint]

That is one more (albeit rather tiny) plus for Lee. He's played finals in the WAFL and in the Foxtel.