2nds Official Swans Academy Thread (Player News and Discussion)

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SGBeach

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Thing is due to Covid last year we don't really know what we have in terms of prospects. 18 months ago Campbell was very much a "maybe he will get drafted" sort of player.
might also be nice (occasionally) to not be tied to academy players and unleash Dalrymple.
Im thinking we'll go to the draft again this year and be only minor players in the trade period.. but who knows??
 

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might also be nice (occasionally) to not be tied to academy players and unleash Dalrymple.
Im thinking we'll go to the draft again this year and be only minor players in the trade period.. but who knows??
There are some big guns in the Free Agent crop this year. With Buddy's salary still in it may be a bridge too far but we certainly should be exploring. Especially if the Academy crop is thinner as suggested.
 

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There are some big guns in the Free Agent crop this year. With Buddy's salary still in it may be a bridge too far but we certainly should be exploring. Especially if the Academy crop is thinner as suggested.
it's going to get thicker next year (2022 draft) got some very good players there.
 

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might also be nice (occasionally) to not be tied to academy players and unleash Dalrymple.
Im thinking we'll go to the draft again this year and be only minor players in the trade period.. but who knows??
I’m not clear on what you mean by that first comment. How are we “tied to academy players”?

Last year was very much the exception with regards to the number of Academy players we selected.
 

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might also be nice (occasionally) to not be tied to academy players and unleash Dalrymple.
Im thinking we'll go to the draft again this year and be only minor players in the trade period.. but who knows??
We're not tied to the academy, we want the best players available....
 

SGBeach

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I’m not clear on what you mean by that first comment. How are we “tied to academy players”?

Last year was very much the exception with regards to the number of Academy players we selected.
When theres a quality academy player, we take them (for a variety of reasons), ie, Campbell, Gulden, Blakey, Mills, Heeney - theres a lot of recent top picks. It means we dont take the player/type of player/position that we might have otherwise.
eg.. If we finish with p10 last year. All of our picks go towards Campbell and Gulden and we probably have a late pick to choose from the draft pool. If Campbell and Gulden dont exist, then we take a mid 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round player from the pool with free reign to choose what type of player we want/need
Dont get me wrong, Im a huge fan of the Academy and this year am just as excited about Sheather as the other two (Good size and one of the quickest in this years draft)
We're not tied to the academy, we want the best players available....
We are tied in a way. We want to support the Academy.. We get those players on the cheap.. makes sense to match the bids and we always do.
hypothetical.. Next draft we might have a top 10 academy kid who plays small forward, but our genuine need is a tall defender. History says we pick the academy kid with our early picks and get a tall defender later in the draft.

Theres been a lot of praise for Dalrymple and his ability, just saying it will be nice to see his work
 

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When theres a quality academy player, we take them (for a variety of reasons), ie, Campbell, Gulden, Blakey, Mills, Heeney - theres a lot of recent top picks. It means we dont take the player/type of player/position that we might have otherwise.
eg.. If we finish with p10 last year. All of our picks go towards Campbell and Gulden and we probably have a late pick to choose from the draft pool. If Campbell and Gulden dont exist, then we take a mid 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round player from the pool with free reign to choose what type of player we want/need
Dont get me wrong, Im a huge fan of the Academy and this year am just as excited about Sheather as the other two (Good size and one of the quickest in this years draft)

We are tied in a way. We want to support the Academy.. We get those players on the cheap.. makes sense to match the bids and we always do.
hypothetical.. Next draft we might have a top 10 academy kid who plays small forward, but our genuine need is a tall defender. History says we pick the academy kid with our early picks and get a tall defender later in the draft.

Theres been a lot of praise for Dalrymple and his ability, just saying it will be nice to see his work
Thanks for clarifying.

I would hope that the selection of an Academy boy in the first round of the draft would be based primarily on their comparative football abilities, rather than just because they’re an Academy boy.
 

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Thanks for clarifying.

I would hope that the selection of an Academy boy in the first round of the draft would be based primarily on their comparative football abilities, rather than just because they’re an Academy boy.
Unless the AFL changes the bidding system, scenarios where we need to make those decisions are going to be really rare.
 

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Thanks for clarifying.

I would hope that the selection of an Academy boy in the first round of the draft would be based primarily on their comparative football abilities, rather than just because they’re an Academy boy.
I’m not sure that our history of selection of Academy graduates is suggestive of an undue bias towards them. All of those selected (matched) in the first round have justified their selection.
 

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Probably not. It is good to see Academy players being drafted by other clubs though, shows the system is working.
As a Sydney/NSW local I too love seeing local boys being drafted. So it definitely is very good to see players like Marc and James but also Luke Parks being drafted as it shows that people from NSW have a working system that they can be drafted from.
 

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As a Sydney/NSW local I too love seeing local boys being drafted. So it definitely is very good to see players like Marc and James but also Luke Parks being drafted as it shows that people from NSW have a working system that they can be drafted from.
Players in our academy are only going to get more notice soon because many of the players in their draft year will likely be playing in our reserves side, which they did anyway but now the reserves side will be regularly playing in Victoria where there is a lot more media and a lot more recruiters watching.
 

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Besides the first round, would anyone really have selected Marc sheather or James bell unless the swans took them?
Probably not, but once you get down to Cat B rookie the players are being selected for what they will become not what they are. On that basis, and given the lack of interest from other clubs in Sydney AFL, it is only the Academy who will know what talent these kids have. It is no different to a kid in Melbourne who has gone through the local and school comps, is well know to a particular club. That club might take him because they believe in him. A club in Sydney will not have these insights and so will favour it's own talent. Common sense really.
 

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I’m not sure that our history of selection of Academy graduates is suggestive of an undue bias towards them. All of those selected (matched) in the first round have justified their selection.
There is no undue bias. The swans and the academy are separate when it comes to recruiting. There are some advantages to a kid being in the swans academy, that are no different to any other kid in the country that develops in close proximity to an AFL club. For example a kid might play in Melbourne and be known by the AFL community there. This might give the kid a little bit of an edge in recruitment. For the swans they know the kids in the academy, they also know whether the kid will fit their playing style, and they know the kid will not suffer the go home factor. Further their costs are less for a sydney based kid, and there is a ready made family and friends network.

For these reasons where two kids are on an even footing but one is from Sydney the swans will most likely take the sydney kid.

I think in recent years the academy selections have proved to be either elite; heeney, mills etc, or if cat b; bell, wicks etc that they are easily the equal of other recruits on offer. It is a good program that is definitely contributing to establishing a good sydney side.
 

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Besides the first round, would anyone really have selected Marc sheather or James bell unless the swans took them?
Probably not, but you can say that about most rookie picks. The reason they get to the rookie draft is that they're speculative.

Do we think anybody else was lining up to nab Malachy Carruthers?
 

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