2nds Official Swans Academy Thread (Player News and Discussion)

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caesar88

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The AFL care about growing the game in nsw.
I wasn't talking about the AFL, I was referring to the media and the wider footy supporters. I think that is where pretty much all of the negative and uninformed dialogue takes place. Shut that dialogue down and it becomes less of an issue for us. I think how we address it can change that.
 

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The AFL care about growing the game in nsw.
They care about money which growing the game means. Making new customers. Victoria has a 6.5 billion dollar deficit and recently recorded approx 17,000 population decrease in the last quarter. They see the writing on the wall and means they will try to make up revenue via NSW.

This is why the media like us atm it’s about revenue, Sydney when up and going always rates very very highly in big games as shown by 2012, 2014 & 2016 GF ratings. As soon as that’s done & dusted they’ll turn on us. Pridham has taken his opportunity to fight back at the perfect time. Well done Andrew!!
 

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I'd like to see the club change tactics a little in terms of how it defends the academy, and I'm hoping Pridham turning the narrative back onto the critics will prove more effective. We continue to naively trot out the same old lines. "X wouldn't be playing AFL if it wasn't for the academy", and "NSW needs to produce more players", and the "it's good for the growth of the sport in NSW."

Newsflash: The footy media and the wider footy supporter base don't give a sh*t about whether Isaac Heeney was lost to the sport; if he doesn't play for their team and isn't playing at the G every second primetime match, he's nothing to them. They don't give a sh*t about where the players drafted to the clubs come from, as long as they're from Victoria; they have put extensive work into growing the NAB League and APS systems to strengthen Victorian output where the draft is concerned. And they don't give a sh*t about the growth of the game in NSW; Sydney is NOT where the largest clubs with the largest supporter bases are based, and it's NOT where the AFL media is based, which means they can't actually get anything out of the game's thriving in New South Wales.

We might see all of these as valid concerns in order for our club to survive, but the detractors simply don't give a fu**. They don't care if we survive. It just falls on deaf ears. We need to start hitting them where it hurts. Flip the script so that any threat to our academy system is a threat to their academy and F/S system. Stop using Heeney as the sole poster boy for the concept of 'academies' and start name-dropping Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Isaac Quaynor, Lachie Jones, Liam Henry, Connor Downie etc.

They will promptly shut the fu** up.
The Freo Academy is the biggest rort going, their zones are down my way, only have to have one parent born overseas to qualify, there is at least 50 kids from the peel footy league that have played since Auskick yet are aligned to this academy.
 

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I posted this in September last year. It was after our win over a more-fancied Victorian opponent (we beat Melbourne by 21), driven again by youth (Blakey was near BOG and McInerney won the RS nomination), and was in response to people mistaking one of our interstate draftees for an academy "gift" (Rowbottom).


Seven months later, you can swap Melbourne with Richmond, Blakey with Wicks, McInerney with Warner, and Rowbottom with Warner. It doesn't matter. It's the exact same sh*t. It will never end as long as we're doing well.
 

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I say give them their NGA bidding back buuuuttt.....

...like us, they should be expected to prove:

1. The player has been in the academy since 12 years old and they have a record of the development time put into the player for each year up until draft year

And

2. The conditions of the NGA in terms of indigenous / overseas parent remain
3. Being in heartland they should prove that the child hasn’t played the game before and they are a genuine recruit to the sport
 

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The AFL care about growing the game in nsw.
Pretty sure we have more participants in AFL NSW/ACT then they do in WA so that has obviously taken money from the AFL to achieve. They 100% care about NSW and QLD. It's every VFL centric fan and media personality (possibly admins too) that don't care or want equalisation. Yeah I'm a Richmond fan but I'm past longing for the VFL to return or everything to be unequal with advantages to VIC only. I just wish that more vic fans could share a similar sentiment in that development is key to the growth of the competition.


Also I sawsome other post saying the AFL put money into theu u19s in SA and WA. The AFL doesn't directly put money into those talent pathways. The AFL does, however, put money into the WA and SA state talent academies which happens in the the 'Ally' states too but on a lesser scale.
I believe the AFL gives X dollars to the WAFC and SANFL to put wherever the WAFC and SANFL want to.

The AFL does also fund the NAB League and I'm sure have spent some money on the APS and AGSV competitions.

TLDR; The AFL cares about every state but most about Victoria. They don't provide as much money to SA and WA since their respective football administrations are very strong.
 

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I think what gets missed is that for the 3000 odd kids that have gone through the academy, a large number develop a tie to the swans as fans, as do their family and friends. So many parents and kids talk proudly that they or their kid was “in the academy”


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It also means that these 'Academy Kids' (all 3000 of them), if they have children, will teach their children the proper techniques for their skills which then develops the game in these Northern States.
 

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It also means that these 'Academy Kids' (all 3000 of them), if they have children, will teach their children the proper techniques for their skills which then develops the game in these Northern States.
So much this! One of the biggest issues the academy has is apparently teaching the ones who weren't brought up playing AFL how to drop the ball properly onto foot & other skills taken for granted.
 

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Is that a question or a statement?

Either way, the answer is the same. No they don't
The AFL care about growing the $$$$$$ and everything else is about caring what the other AFL clubs think. They are reactionary about anything that says they do not care about other stuff that is important like junior development. When have you heard anything about junior development from Gil in the last 4 years.
 

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The AFL care about growing the $$$$$$ and everything else is about caring what the other AFL clubs think. They are reactionary about anything that says they do not care about other stuff that is important like junior development. When have you heard anything about junior development from Gil in the last 4 years.
The Swans Academy is producing players the envy of the competition. Why is the AFL not learning from our success and implementing a similar system in Tasmania?
 

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I reckon Andrew Ireland knows the AFL is incompetent. It is looking after its own interests.
But I reckon he has a view where the AFL would be doing things in the best interests of the AFL and the players and the juniors. Developing the game in Tamania and the NT and also in other areas we have never thought of. The Vic centric biased control needs to change. Pandering to Vic clubs is prolonging the inevitable but is juvenile. Australia awaits the AFL. There are vast areas of Australia that need good coaches. The AFL can grow the game and be more successful than pandering to Melbourne centric clubs.
 

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Nothing wrong with NGA’s just implemented in such a rush to placate people like McGuire they were ill thought out. From the start it should have been any child with both parents born outside Australia it’s the same rules as the NA. One parent same rules as now but and this is the big but the investment & time should have matched the NA’s ie put the time in and wait for the players to come through.


None of this a year after starting up you’ve “developed a top round player” crap. Thomas from Norf is the first to come to mind.
 

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I think what gets missed is that for the 3000 odd kids that have gone through the academy, a large number develop a tie to the swans as fans, as do their family and friends. So many parents and kids talk proudly that they or their kid was “in the academy”


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My sisters family does. And I note that her husband is/was a talented rugby player. He was on the selection panel that picked the first rugby team to beat New Zealand in New Zealand at U21. He has coached at high levels. What I am trying to say is that his 2 sons grew up playing rugby union. His eldest is in the Swans Academy. The younger one told me at Christmas that he also wants to play AFL. He has played Union, League and Soccer. He now wants to play AFL.
 

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Does anyone else think Eddie Mcguire and VFL types are trying kill Academy not because of couple kids going top 10 in draft but because they fear of what might become 10-20 years if AFL is actually properly managed and grown in NSW Swans could become another interstate monster like Eagles.
 

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Does anyone else think Eddie Mcguire and VFL types are trying kill Academy not because of couple kids going top 10 in draft but because they fear of what might become 10-20 years if AFL is actually properly managed and grown in NSW Swans could become another interstate monster like Eagles.
An interesting thought. Fear of the power shift!
 

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Article identifying where (northern) academy players have ended up;


Nice to see a positive article highlighting how the academies can benefit all clubs.

To quote the article;
(the ex academy players at other clubs)
highlight the growing talent pool in the northern markets that has spilled out to other clubs and is only expected to continue.
 

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