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And the Hawks would likely get pick 19 or 20 for him. Or later if Dees are gifted a basket-case priority pick, as is being touted.

Makes the Scully compo look pretty decent. Ablett's too. And even the Saints under FA compo rules got 13 for Goddard whose use by date was fast approaching anyway.

It annoyed the Hell out of me last year that we had to take one step back in the draft queue so that Saint Kilda could be compensated for a player wanting off their sinking ship, and Essendon gave up nothing to get him. There should be compo but it should come directly from the club who is getting the FA. So if a free agent is worthy of a first rounder, that's what the club getting him should give up. And if they aren't prepared to do so, then the club who is prepared to do it gets dibs.

Something like that anyway.

But not until AFTER we get Daisy...
 

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If I were him I would rather take the guaranteed money. $10mil guaranteed? How can you knock that back for post football "earning potential", key word- potential?

There is no guarantee after football that he can make that sort of money, even with the conections he makes.

A bird in the hand..
Very true IBB.
Plus Buddy already has his clothing label, and if he was smart with this money (i.e. investments, property, etc) he wouldn't have to work a day in his life once he has finished playing.

Take the money - talk about a once in a lifetime deal.

A forward line of Franklin, Cameron and Patton would be near impossible to defend!

:eek:
 

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If I were him I would rather take the guaranteed money. $10mil guaranteed? How can you knock that back for post football "earning potential", key word- potential?

There is no guarantee after football that he can make that sort of money, even with the conections he makes.

A bird in the hand..
Agreed. Besides he can always take up a media (expert comments) job. OMG any one could if ML can.
So there would be plenty of opportunities out there.
 

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Hell of a player, and largely irreplacable, but not the worst outcome for Hawthorn. In the immeidate term I think they are competitive without him. Also gives them a couple of first round picks to begin planning for the departures of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne and a stack of cash to lure another KPF where they available (which further tightens the market for us).

Buddy gets a bigger stack of cash, becomes a darling of the Sydney scene and gets a sustained crack at a flag over final 3-4 years of his career.
 

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Hell of a player, and largely irreplacable, but not the worst outcome for Hawthorn. In the immeidate term I think they are competitive without him. Also gives them a couple of first round picks to begin planning for the departures of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne and a stack of cash to lure another KPF where they available (which further tightens the market for us).

Buddy gets a bigger stack of cash, becomes a darling of the Sydney scene and gets a sustained crack at a flag over final 3-4 years of his career.
Interesting that their game plane has changed markedly away from being Buddycentric... without much if any loss of potency. Preparing for the worst perhaps?

Someone has already written that if they lose Franklin they could snap up Daisy and have change for another decent mid besides...
 

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Someone has already written that if they lose Franklin they could snap up Daisy and have change for another decent mid besides...
True, but I think if Thomas was to leave, it'd be to Carlton.
I don't think we should underestimate how strong the bond is between these 2.

And I doubt Hawthorn would match our offer for Thomas anyway.
 

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Hell of a player, and largely irreplacable, but not the worst outcome for Hawthorn. In the immeidate term I think they are competitive without him. Also gives them a couple of first round picks to begin planning for the departures of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne and a stack of cash to lure another KPF where they available (which further tightens the market for us).

Buddy gets a bigger stack of cash, becomes a darling of the Sydney scene and gets sustained crack cocaine over final 3-4 years of his career.
Efa
 

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It annoyed the Hell out of me last year that we had to take one step back in the draft queue so that Saint Kilda could be compensated for a player wanting off their sinking ship, and Essendon gave up nothing to get him. There should be compo but it should come directly from the club who is getting the FA. So if a free agent is worthy of a first rounder, that's what the club getting him should give up. And if they aren't prepared to do so, then the club who is prepared to do it gets dibs.

I always argued that the AFL should have gone down the same path that the MLB uses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_Draft#Compensatory_picks

Before the 2013 draft, free agents were ranked by theElias Sports Bureaubased on their previous two years of playing, and against players of similar positions. Players were categorized as either Type A or Type B, or fell into the category of all other players. Below is a description of each free agent class and the compensation the free agent's former team received when the player signed with a different team.
• A Type A free agent was ranked in the top 20 percent of players at his position. A team that signed a Type A player gave its top draft pick to the club that the player left; that club also received a supplemental pick in the "sandwich" round between the first and second rounds.[32]
• A Type B free agent was ranked below the top 20 percent but in the top 40 percent of players at his position. A team that lost a Type B player received a supplemental pick, but the signing team did not lose a pick.[32]
• All other players carried no compensation at all. There had previously been a third class of "Type C" players, but that was eliminated in the 2007 CBA.[32]
To earn a compensatory pick, a free agent must have been either signed before the arbitration deadline in early December, or offered arbitration by their former team but still signed with another team.
Compensatory picks that one team gave another via this method were the highest available pick that team had, with the exception of picks in the top half of the first round.[33] These picks were protected from being used as compensation. If a team that picked in the top half of the first draft signed a Type A free agent, they would give up their second-round pick. If a team owed two other teams draft picks via Type A free agents, the team whose departing player had a higher score got the higher-ranked pick. A team could not lose picks it earned via compensation. The post-2012 rules for this aspect of the draft are similar, except that the "Type A" and "Type B" designations no longer exist (see below).
The order of the supplemental round between the first and second rounds, a feature that will remain in place in 2013 and beyond, is determined by inverse order of the previous year's standings. Under pre-2013 rules, Type A picks were made first, and then the order reset for all the Type B compensation picks.
Such a clearer system. Ignore the "highest pick available" -- teams cannot trade draft picks in the MLB. However, if a team were to sign two free agents the team that lost the better player gets the higher pick, for example, if Carlton were to sign both Buddy and Daisy then Hawthorn would get our first round pick and Collingwood our second round pick as Franklin has had a better last two years than has Thomas. Both teams would receive a "sandwich round" pick based upon who finished lower on the ladder (ie. sandwich round pick 1. Collingwood (14-8) 2. Hawthorn (17-5).
 

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I've always argued that receiving any sort of compensation for a player leaving via free agency is just absurd.

Why should a team be compensated for their inability to keep their players?

The salary cap freed up as a result of the player leaving should be reward or compensation enough.
 

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And the Hawks would likely get pick 19 or 20 for him. Or later if Dees are gifted a basket-case priority pick, as is being touted.
There should not be any compo for Free Agents.
They've give you a minimum 8 years service, and then it's up to you to keep them.
You get salary cap space after they've gone, with which to attract other players.
 

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Why should a team be compensated for their inability to keep their players?

Let's say.... Carlton scout the next two drafts exceptionally well after having a great draft last year and the kids from the year before finally catch on (as many anticipate that they will).

In four years time you have....

Vets list (still good $$$ but only $100k removed from cap): Andrew Walker, Michael Jamison, Eddie Betts

Prime (max $$$ even if some are on the vets list): Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kreuzer, Jeff Garlett, Jeremy Laidler, Lachlan Henderson, Chris Yarran, Kane Lucas, 2013 free agent signing, 2014/5 free agent signing

Capable vets (good $$$): Shaun Hampson, David Ellard, Simon White, Mitch Robinson, Ed Curnow, Zach Tuohy, Andrew McInnes, a free agent signing

Role players (reasonable, not outstanding but not poverty line, $$$): Jaryd Cachia, Levi Casboult, Luke Mitchell, Pat McCarthy, Nicholas Graham

Early prime (not quite max $$$ but getting there): Matthew Watson, Josh Bootsma, Dylan Buckley, Troy Menzel, 2013 1st round pick, 2014 1st round pick, perhaps a second round pick that is a steal of the draft

The rest of the list on low salaries

And you're NOT Collingwood (you're not able to find "hidden" sources to pay players within the "salary cap)".

Do you not believe that we'd deserve compensation having recruited well, developed the list to its maximum potential and are bursting at the seams salary wise to keep everyone satisfied financially? You'd be happy to lose players invaluable to our premiership runs without compensation? You'd be happy to force then-older players such as Walker, Jamison or Betts to an earlier than desired retirement?

In reality, if we continue developing the list and draft well, which I consider to be an art rather than "luck", this is a very real prospect.

I know that I would not be happy facing the prospect of losing important players for nada.
 

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I've always argued that receiving any sort of compensation for a player leaving via free agency is just absurd.

Why should a team be compensated for their inability to keep their players?

The salary cap freed up as a result of the player leaving should be reward or compensation enough.

Makes sense but what then is to stop weak teams being ravaged and becoming feeding grounds for larger teams? You'll say they have extra money in the cap to hunt their own FA player but if they're shit then chances are no one respectable wants to come to them anyway. I'm against a very large amount of compensation being given out but maybe 2-3 general bands (like the MLB thing posted by Wickzki) would be good.
 
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