Analysis Oldest / Youngest lists, post drafts

[Topkent]

Jones is still an important player at Melbourne.

you cant discount him because it suits your agenda. Will be the dees be a lesser team without Jones? yes good chance



Its merely facts with a chance to discuss it.

No he isn't.
It doesn't suit anything, he's a fringe player at the moment who very well might retire after this season.

 

[Marcel Proust]

No he isn't.
It doesn't suit anything, he's a fringe player at the moment who very well might retire after this season.

played every game, 20+ touches average

melbourne would and will be closer to the bottom of the ladder without him

again you can have this delusion player like jones are 'fringe' but thats just your opinion and your probable wrong.

that the Melbourne list is getting older and the like of Bennell are targets to bring in sounds a bit worrying from the outside

 

[Topkent]

played every game, 20+ touches average

melbourne would and will be closer to the bottom of the ladder without him

again you can have this delusion player like jones are 'fringe' but thats just your opinion and your probable wrong.

that the Melbourne list is getting older and the like of Bennell are targets to bring in sounds a bit worrying from the outside

You couldn't be more wrong mate but I don't care. Your topic sucks.

 

[Marcel Proust]

You couldn't be more wrong mate but I don't care. Your topic sucks.

It doesnt suck, its an important part of football. with drafts, salary caps etc.

Swans and Suns give a good indication where they are at, ditto the Pies, Cats, Hawks, WCE at the other end

furthmore among own teams supporters there is heated debate what is the actually best side and in the real world they get on the park together not very often.

 

[NoobPie]

Brendan Goddard claims you have the best list of players (or geriatrics) in the AFL. Just have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Ooooh, spoilin' for a fight ey?

If Goddard thinks we have the best list then I suspect he is over-rating our list

That said, few of those older players listed are in our best dozen players

Unambiguously, only Pendles, Sidebottom and Howe are and the latter two are turning 29 and 30 next year. Beams at his best would obviously be too

The rest are behind

Grundy
De Goey
Moore
Treloar
Adams
Crisp
Elliott
Maynard
Stephenson

 

[BBC1967]

You couldn't be more wrong mate but I don't care. Your topic sucks.

I think this topic is fine. I am sick of hearing "but we have a young list". It is a convenient excuse for coaches and the media mates to let clubs off the hook for poor performance. A list like this highlights numerous furphies perpetuated on this forum and in the media over the passed few seasons.

 

[Topkent]

I think this topic is fine. I am sick of hearing "but we have a young list. It is a convenient excuse for coaches and the media mates to let clubs off the hook for poor performance. A list like this highlights numerous furphies perpetuated on this forum and in the media over the passed few seasons.

No it doesn't.

 

[BBC1967]

No it doesn't.

You don't care....well move on.

 

[Marcel Proust]

No it doesn't.

I agree with you somewhat but the overall average age, games etc. of the lists is still an important factor to note. especially with all the narratives around.

If you could post every teams best22 or best25/30 - and the average ages, that be great. That data would be good to see in combination with the original post IMO. would add to the overall picture

however its a lot of work and a hard job. Several Richmond fans would argue for Short, Baker, Balta, Ross etc. to be in the team and other players dropped. All clubs would have these types of arguments which changes the maths

 

[Kwality]

Overall list age is a joke way to measure teams.

Best 22 and specifically best players is most important

Best 30 to be meaningful, games played a better indicator?
At start of year relevant.

 

[Dazb86]

As others have said the 22 on the park each week means more than the overall list. But looking at that list you've put up the competition seems relatively close with the age demographic. Is it always this close?

 

[Giant Pete]

If anyone wants to work out the avg age of our best 22 I’d appreciate it!

Williams Davis Shaw
Haynes Taylor Whitfield
Kelly Ward Coniglio
Greene Cameron Daniels
Finlayson HH Hill
Jacobs Taranto Hopper

Caldwell DeBoer Perryman Corr

 

[blitzer]

Average list ages are converging (the oldest teams have retired a few oldies and picked up some youngsters, teams like Gold Coast/Carlton have grabbed some experience and aged a bit). The gaps probably never been so small before. Ideally you'd take a list of probable best 22's (even if you are slightly off on some fringe players) and then compare those which would be more meaningful.

 

[adammania9]

Every single list is young and constantly rebuilding, such is the obsession with youth and upside in the AFL. It's no surprise that every year, the youngest sides are the ones that are at the bottom of the ladder. Recruit experience and leadership, and results will drastically improve immediately.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Best 30 to be meaningful, games played a better indicator?
At start of year relevant.

They said stack would need four preseaons before he could play

meaningful is very subjective

 

[Marcel Proust]

Every single list is young and constantly rebuilding,

not collingwood

 

[Kwality]

They said stack would need four preseaons before he could play

meaningful is very subjective

Another irrelevant meaningless attempt to get the Tiges in.
Are you suggesting pre seasons are a meaningful measure in the same context as age?

 

[adammania9]

not collingwood

Define rebuilding. If it's plonking a dozen sub 50 gamers in the side then I'm happy to for the club not to rebuild. But with regular games handed to Moore, De Goey, Maynard, Phillips, Stephenson and Brown who are all 23 or under, with much of the rest of the side filled with 25-28 year olds then I'm happy. Expect Quaynor, T Brown, Murphy, Sier and Bianco to get senior gigs in 2020 too.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Another irrelevant meaningless attempt to get the Tiges in.

people are saying only the top 25/30 matter

pickett and stack are examples this is incorrect - yes its hard for some later rated people to break in but it can still happen they shouldnt be neglected. overall list age still has some importance

Are you suggesting pre seasons are a meaningful measure in the same context as age?

not sure what your talking about, stack was first year player this season

im saying stack was deemed as being as far too unfit to get an afl game and hence irrelevant according to your and you mates theory's. yet, have been proven wrong.

 

[Kwality]

people are saying only the top 25/30 matter

pickett and stack are examples this is incorrect - yes its hard for some later rated people to break in but it can still happen they shouldnt be neglected. overall list age still has some importance



not sure what your talking about, stack was first year player this season

im saying stack was deemed as being as far too unfit to get an afl game and hence irrelevant according to your and you mates theory's. yet, have been proven wrong.

Liam Ryan played his first game on the G in a premiership, but you wouldnt know that.
Willie Rioli ....

The only thing unique is that the Tiges are involved. BORING !!!!

 

[Marcel Proust]

Liam Ryan played his first game on the G in a premiership, but you wouldnt know that.
Willie Rioli ....

The only thing unique is that the Tiges are involved. BORING !!!!

it was just an example, used cause i know more about the tigers team

but my point was it can be applied to all teams, the overall list age does matter a bit regardless of some here saying it isnt important

 

[BBC1967]

Every single list is young and constantly rebuilding, such is the obsession with youth and upside in the AFL. It's no surprise that every year, the youngest sides are the ones that are at the bottom of the ladder. Recruit experience and leadership, and results will drastically improve immediately.

Tigers are where on this list? Reigning Premiers 2/3 and can't get a guernsey for best list in some quarters.

 

[_Rake_]

Interesting to see the list of age averages (I guess), but irrelevant IMO of any actual meaning. One or two players can skew the percentage and it's all so close anyway in the end.

 

[adammania9]

Tigers are where on this list? Reigning Premiers 2/3 and can't get a guernsey for best list in some quarters.

Did you finish primary school? Only about 30% of your posts are actually legible.

 

[BBC1967]

Did you finish primary school? Only about 30% of your posts are actually legible.

Oh your poor dear, you have no idea about anything.